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Zethro
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Posted - 2011.01.19 06:41:00 -
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1. Trust me I was a ninja way before most.
2. Don't get mad, salvage is not worth your ship. Trust me they are after your ship, not the wrecks.
3. Never fire on them; they want you to. Remember, they want your ship. Even if you have 10 friends waiting to help, they have 20 ready to remote rep them that don't even have to be in the same corp. as them.
4. Take their time up; they are scanning new targets fast, so the longer they take with you the less killing they will do and it will annoy them more.
5. If you have time trick them. There are many ways to trick them, here is a list: Missions have grids just like everything else in Eve. If you get a mission with ships that warp scramble, go in the first room in a expensive mission ship and fly off the grid. They can scan you over and over again, and no matter what, will show up at the first gate. When they go in you will be gone and a whole fleet of warp scramming rats will be there to kill them. This takes time out of your day, but if you going to be afk all day you might as well do it.
When they fly to the wrecks, set it blue right before they get there. This takes no time and is somewhat annoying to them .
Get a level 1 mission with ship restrictions. (For example; only assault ships and frigs can get in.) Most ninjas will scan and bait in the same crappie scanning frig to try and get you to fire on them, however, when they return itĘs most likely going to be in a battlecrusier or cruiser size ship to insure they get the kill. They will be annoyed when they canĘt get back in to kill you, but keep in mind that this just buys you time and a good laugh. They will most likely get a ship that can fit in the mission. (Note; if they donĘt leave however, they may get a scram on you with their crappie frig, then get a alt in a orca to bring them a better ship. It will really suck for them when they canĘt get their orca in.)
Learn to use your d-scaner. If you set the range to 100mill at 360 range you will see any thing in your mission. This includes any buddies he may have waiting on earlier gates to remote rep him. (Note; they could have buddies cloaked on those same gates so they will not show up.)
Don't talk to them at all. This is also what they want. They like the tears you give. I myself have a whole note pad saved in Eve of people begging for there ships.
If all else fails ignore them. Remember they WANT TO KILL YOU. They don't want your crappie rat wrecks TRUST ME.
Understand your missions. There are different rules for missions than anywhere else in Eve.
Missions last for seven days. You can always return back the next day.
Alas this is all I can remember of the top of my head. I am sure there is more, but this will have to do for now. Feel free to rage or add to this list. Good luck, and remember, Eve is a game. Try and have fun .
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Erid Tangor
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Posted - 2011.01.19 06:48:00 -
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Edited by: Erid Tangor on 19/01/2011 06:48:41 Good advice... and if all else fails use the secret signal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92d1xtjXf8E
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Tea2theBag
Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap
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Posted - 2011.01.19 07:24:00 -
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Shoot them.
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Paul Clavet
Honorless Internet Jerks
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Posted - 2011.01.19 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zethro 1. Trust me I was a ninja way before most.
If you were, you obviously weren't very notable, because I don't remember you, and I was one of the first.
Originally by: Zethro Take their time up; they are scanning new targets fast, so the longer they take with you the less killing they will do and it will annoy them more.
You yourself stated that we are scanning new targets quickly, so why would we waste our time on a non-promising carebear?
Originally by: Zethro 5. If you have time trick them. There are many ways to trick them, here is a list: Missions have grids just like everything else in Eve. If you get a mission with ships that warp scramble, go in the first room in a expensive mission ship and fly off the grid. They can scan you over and over again, and no matter what, will show up at the first gate. When they go in you will be gone and a whole fleet of warp scramming rats will be there to kill them. This takes time out of your day, but if you going to be afk all day you might as well do it.
What kind of a fail Ninja will be at all bothered by this? You will take a large amount of time flying off grid and sitting there so that a Ninja will scan you down, warp into the room, see nothing but live rats, shrug, and warp off? You do realize that we ignore hits as we scan them, so you've invested upward of an hour for something that will delay the average ninja by less than two minutes?
Originally by: Zethro Get a level 1 mission with ship restrictions. (For example; only assault ships and frigs can get in.) Most ninjas will scan and bait in the same crappie scanning frig to try and get you to fire on them, however, when they return itĘs most likely going to be in a battlecrusier or cruiser size ship to insure they get the kill. They will be annoyed when they canĘt get back in to kill you, but keep in mind that this just buys you time and a good laugh.
Why on earth would I be scanning down assault ships and frigs to crash missions? For a professed Ninja veteran, you don't seem to know much about how it's done.
Originally by: Zethro Learn to use your d-scaner. If you set the range to 100mill at 360 range you will see any thing in your mission. This includes any buddies he may have waiting on earlier gates to remote rep him. (Note; they could have buddies cloaked on those same gates so they will not show up.)
If you've gotten to the point that you're looking for his buddies, then you know he is on his way to kill you. Why are you hanging out?
Originally by: Zethro Don't talk to them at all. This is also what they want. They like the tears you give. I myself have a whole note pad saved in Eve of people begging for there ships
The only reason I quoted this is to ask what on earth the final comment has to do with the rest of the paragraph or post. Also, there/their/they're.
I hope this has been helpful. I also hope that people follow your advice, because none of it hurts Ninjas who aren't morons, and it's a tremendous time-suck for the carebears.
---- Blog: My Loot, Your Tears |
Mytzso
Private Nuisance Segregati0n
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Posted - 2011.01.19 09:03:00 -
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Edited by: Mytzso on 19/01/2011 09:04:29 Origins of the Ninja:
It is difficult to pin down the emergence of the first ninja, more properly called shinobi. After all, people around the world have always used spies and assassins.
Japanese folklore states that the ninja descended from a demon that was half man and half crow. However, it seems more likely that the ninja slowly evolved as an opposing force to their upper-class contemporaries, the samurai, in early feudal Japan.
Most sources indicate that the skills that became ninjutsu, the ninja's art of stealth, began to develop between 600-900 A.D. Prince Shotoku, (574-622), is said to have employed Otomono Sahito as a shinobi spy.
EDIT: Source added.
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Toilarmius
Minmatar Auxilia Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.01.19 15:09:00 -
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I watched that movie once with Tom Cruise in it where he joined the samurai/ninjas. This thread is kinda like that movie, crappy and long.
Originally by: CCP Fallout I can scan (but don't have time atm) a picture of one of my mother's modeling photos and you'd see hers as well, and she's more obviously a women than I'll ever be.
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Zethro
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Posted - 2011.01.19 15:47:00 -
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Way to keep me at the top guys i love the rage lol
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Owen Drakkar
Terra Nostra
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Posted - 2011.01.19 16:23:00 -
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The best thing to do when a player enters the mission you are in with the intent to loot/slvg your wrecks is to ninja the ninja.
It is simple and a rather fun form of non-violent pvp, dock up the pve boat and grab a frig that is faster than theirs with salvagers on it of course.
Warp back in and focus your camera on their ship to see a trajectory and then it's a race to see who can get the most wrecks! It is always nice to show someone up at their own game.
Have fun. ---------- Bah humbug. |
EddieRio
Minmatar Time Bandits.
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: EddieRio on 19/01/2011 18:38:25
so then someone decides to start baiting the ninja's,, then someone starts baiting the person baiting the ninja, then someone starts baiting the baiter who is baiting the ninja..
Oh I see your point...
Why, have my trousers fallen down...
Edit: there was an old woman who swallowed a fly
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knentil
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Posted - 2011.01.19 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: knentil on 19/01/2011 18:43:33 Edited by: knentil on 19/01/2011 18:42:56 First off, I am deeply ashamed that I cannot stay away from these forums.
Secondly.
Cloaked falcon alt or corp mate sitting in the mission with you.
Decloak!! Scram(or disrupt), Web, perma jam, ransom!!
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Velocity Prime
Misfit Toys Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zethro 1. Trust me I was a ninja way before most.
That's where I stopped reading.
Smuggling, booster sales, recruitment. Visit my blog. |
Mytzso
Private Nuisance Segregati0n
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Posted - 2011.01.19 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Velocity Prime That's where I stopped reading.
Velocity your new toon portrait needs more make-up..
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Scorpionidae
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Posted - 2011.01.19 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zethro 1. Trust me I was a ninja way before most.
So you wernt a very good ninja then.
To most of the ninjas I am known as "Fail Ninja" but you sir have no clue at all and thus you are now known as "The most usless person to ever come accros the profeshion of Ninjaring"
Scorpionidae
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:17:00 -
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Use to run missions near Fricoure for a fair while. There was a ninja corp stationed there, me and my corpies use to spend alot of time baiting and killing them.
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Asobi Mashou
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Posted - 2011.01.20 04:17:00 -
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confirming that ninjas are relatively easy to kill...just shoot them
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Le Badass
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Posted - 2011.01.20 09:08:00 -
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1. Make sure your mission ship has: - A disruptor. Ninjas always use ABs, so no reason to limit your range with a scrambler. - A web. You'll need it later, keep reading. - An MWD - Or AB, since most missions prevent you from using MWD. When possible, use the MWD, though. - One medium/heavy neut and one small neut. - A tractor beam. It's not essential but nice to have.
2. Clear the first room of rats. If you brought all the stuff listed above, it'll take a while for obvious reasons. Alternatively, clear it in your mission ship, then come back in another ship of the same type and with the same name.
3. Use your tractor beam to get all the large wrecks within a few thousand meters. Ninjas tend to go for those, because bears typically whine the most about them.
4. If you have an MWD, leave it on. Stop the ship. Then wait.
5. When the ninja comes into your mission, he'll go for the large wrecks. The trick is to lock him and get him within range of the neuts while aggroed. If he turns blinky, hit approach, turn on speed mod, activate disruptor, web, neuts, then blast his ship. There's a fair chance that he's faster than you even when neuted dry enough to turn off his AB and webbed, so make sure he pops before he gets out of range of the disruptor. If you can keep him in range, have fun killing him with a single Hob I or something silly :)
6. Warp to a safe for a minute, then dock up for the 15 minutes of aggression countdown. Then resume your mission. If the same guy, or someone from his corp, turns up again, don't try the trick again. This time he'll be prepared.
It doesn't always work, it takes a sh*tload of time and ninjas almost always enter your mission in expendable, cheaply fit T1 frigs. Still, the KM is nice and if you're lucky, they'll convo you and try to lure you out of the station (hint, it's really tears).
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Natasha Hec
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:07:00 -
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isnt off-grid something like 400-1000km depending on something im not sure. So your suggesting to mission runners, as a way of combating ninja salvagers, slow boating there way 400-1000km so that they are off grid. Thats actually quite funny
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:53:00 -
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and if you even manage to kill ninjas precious 300k ISK frigate (what is highly unlikely) after hours of waiting and baiting, he will probably rage quit.. lol In the same time you could just keep grinding your f*cking missions and make tons of ISK.
hilarious thread
PS: the OP is either trying to spread FUD or he was the most unimaginably terrible ninja in the history of eve.
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Le Badass
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Le Badass on 20/01/2011 12:11:24 To a bear with zero kills on the KB and a history of being stalked and annoyed by ninjas, I assure you, getting that 300k ISK vigil kill would still be hilariously epic and provide material for a great story.
And, even though most "pro" ninjas deny it, losing any ship to a toon from the bottom of the food chain would be, at best, mildly annoying.
EDIT: And AFK-baiting beats AFK-mining any day
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2011.01.20 13:14:00 -
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your epicness scale is epic short I believe :-D
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Le Badass
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Posted - 2011.01.20 15:17:00 -
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What can I say? To a virgin, Janet Jackson's nipple flash was the most erotic experience possible in this universe. To a man dying of thirst in a desert, a pint of warm p*ss is a mouthful of paradise. To a bear with no kills and an Eve career of being bullied, one insignificant little vigil kill may be the height of his PvP-career :) TL;DR, everything is relative...
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Fehnrail
Caldari The Day Watch
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Posted - 2011.01.20 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Le Badass What can I say? To a virgin, Janet Jackson's nipple flash was the most erotic experience possible in this universe. To a man dying of thirst in a desert, a pint of warm p*ss is a mouthful of paradise. To a bear with no kills and an Eve career of being bullied, one insignificant little vigil kill may be the height of his PvP-career :) TL;DR, everything is relative...
Doesn't make it any less sad.
The internet has left me in despair. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.01.20 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Fehnrail
Originally by: Le Badass What can I say? To a virgin, Janet Jackson's nipple flash was the most erotic experience possible in this universe. To a man dying of thirst in a desert, a pint of warm p*ss is a mouthful of paradise. To a bear with no kills and an Eve career of being bullied, one insignificant little vigil kill may be the height of his PvP-career :) TL;DR, everything is relative...
Doesn't make it any less sad.
And a sandwich is always awsome. - I'd tell you why but then I'll have to kill you. And to kill you I'd have to log in. And to log in I'd have to stop browsing these forums. Both you and me knows that'll never happen. |
Sol'Kanar
Private Nuisance Segregati0n
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Posted - 2011.01.20 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Le Badass What can I say? To a man dying of thirst in a desert, a pint of warm p*ss is a mouthful of paradise.
You don't have to be dying of thirst in a desert for that one. Inappropriate signature. Jericho |
Lord Vakos
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.01.20 19:21:00 -
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I'm going to go ahead and admit that this thread was not a waste of those 10 or 15 minutes, and provided plenty of laughs at other peoples' expense.
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Mel Lifera
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.01.20 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Mel Lifera on 20/01/2011 20:01:28 When arriving at the first gate of a mission you have scanned down, d-scan becomes your best friend. Set it to 10500, with a 60-degree arc pointed in the same direction as the gate. This range covers only the first room of the mission. Refresh regularly for a fairly accurate picture of what's going on in the mission - including not only the player(s) ship types but also the race of the NPCs, how fast the rats are being popped, whether the player is salvaging as he goes, and precisely what time the player takes the next gate. Use this information to help you decide whether the mission is worth salvaging and what your reward prospects are likely to be. The scanning procedure is effective at each gate, showing only the next room. I managed to snatch an entire mission's worth of tags this way in Penirgman once; the bear had even tractored all the wrecks into a convenient little ball for me. As the bear completed each room I snuck in behind him and pilfered all the tags. When he left the last room to go get a salvaging ship, I took what I could and split when he showed back up in d-scan. No convo, no tears, I never even laid eyes on his ship a single time. Somewhat impersonal as ninja salvaging goes, I know; but I was a noob then and even now I value goods over tears - though not by much, I promise you.
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Le Badass
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Posted - 2011.01.20 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Fehnrail
Originally by: Le Badass What can I say? To a virgin, Janet Jackson's nipple flash was the most erotic experience possible in this universe. To a man dying of thirst in a desert, a pint of warm p*ss is a mouthful of paradise. To a bear with no kills and an Eve career of being bullied, one insignificant little vigil kill may be the height of his PvP-career :) TL;DR, everything is relative...
Doesn't make it any less sad.
And a sandwich is always awsome.
Fehnrail: What's really sad are all those 1337-ninjas who pride themselves when they gank a mission runner, but comes to threads like this and showers the rest of us with badly disguised tears when they die to one of them. I both ninja, bait and even do an occasional mission and I love getting one of those ****y ninjas, 300k kill or not. At the end of the day, the ninja gets to warp his sorry pod out while the bear laughs at his screen back home in mom's basement. It has a kind of poetic justice to it (didn't happen to me yet, fortunately, I'm not sure my ego could bear it either, no pun intended).
Misanth: Mhhhmm, sammich.
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Arienne Deveraux
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Posted - 2011.01.21 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zethro
Ninjas bother me so much, I stayed up for days thinking of obscure and totally ineffective tactics to "combat" them.
Have you tried shooting the ninja?
I also quite enjoy sammiches.
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Logit Probit
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Posted - 2011.01.22 06:54:00 -
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Well, Zethro, that's a burned bridge you might regret one day.
I'm sure I speak for all your former mates in ECPUU when I say that you're annoying, a bad pilot, and the only reason you were tolerated is that you flew a guardian back when logis weren't as common as they are now.
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JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.01.22 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Arienne Deveraux
Originally by: Zethro
Ninjas bother me so much, I stayed up for days thinking of obscure and totally ineffective tactics to "combat" them.
Have you tried shooting the ninja?
I also quite enjoy sammiches.
He has *claimed* that he baits/hunts/kills ninjas but since he refuses to prove it by using his main or linking a KB, I believe he's more likely than not just full of bovine fecal matter.
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