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Doctor Carbonatite
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.20 03:12:00 -
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First off, I am a confirmed Nation loyalist, just to get that out of the way.
I find myself confused by the extremes to which CONCORD is promoting action against Sansha's Nation. I have tried to determine where the inordinate amount of hatred from CONCORD, the Empires, and the capsuleer community stems from, but have not been able to identify the issue. This level of prejudice extends even into the "skillbook" arena, where CONCORD seized all copies of legitimate training materials produced by the Society of Conscious Thought simply because of their past association with Master Kuvakei and in their place showed Imperial favoritism by mass-distributing copies of the Pax Amarria. I will go through a few frequently mentioned "reasons", and explain why they are insufficient.
1)"Nation kidnaps people from their homes." Aside from the typical explanation of how this is in fact a rescue, allow me to simply point out that the Amarr have been doing this to the Minmitar for centuries, yet not only are they not persecuted for such, they enjoy CONCORD-enforced immunity from consequences.
2)"Nation enslaves and robs people of their will." Most in Nation are actually free to pursue their own creative ventures, while Nation utilizes aspects of their mind that they themselves do not feel important. Moreover, we do so with (ultimately removeable) technology. The CONCORD-protected Amarr, on the other hand, do to the Minmitar exactly what Nation is accused of doing, yet do it with a drug that not only robs people of their minds and wills, but causes an agonizing death if withheld. While there is an antidote to this drug, it is not widely available. Allow me to at this point repeat that there is no death in Nation.
3)"Nation is a faction of pirates." Rather than waste breath on the myriad reasons the label "pirate" does not fit Nation, I'll just focus on the degree of response to such "pirate factions." The major factions of so-called "pirates" include the Serpentis Corporation, the Angel Cartel, the Blood Raider Covenant, the Guristas, and Sansha's Nation. Against the first four, including the Blood Raiders (who openly abduct people for the purposes of ritual torture, blood extraction, and murder), all CONCORD does is place a bounty on the factions' ships. Against Nation, not only do they do this, but they are in the process of implementing a program of rewarding capsuleers who obstruct Nation operations with advanced implants and capital ship module blueprints. If Nation is "just another pirate faction", why the disproportionate degree of response?
4)"Sansha Kuvakei is a cruel megalomaniac." I would have to laugh in the face of anyone who says something like this and yet backs the agendas of the terrorist Tibus Heth, the corporate powermonger Jacus Roden, or the mind-altered and known slave abuser Jamyl Sarum, who promoted a commander for killing millions of civilians rather than allow Nation to care for them.
I truly do not understand the level of prejudice aimed at Nation on the parts of the Empires, capsuleers, and the obviously Amarr-favoring CONCORD, especially while the Amarr Empire continues to commit and even exceed the kinds of atrocities Nation is accused of and do so with impunity. I look forward to a rational explanation.
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Aldrith Shutaq
Amarr Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.20 03:17:00 -
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CONCORD likes the Empire because we're cooler, duh. All you do is poke people with your spikes as you say, 'Hi guys'.
But really, it's more the fact that Sansha's Nation is an unstoppable enslaving-machine while the Amarr Empire is actually liberalizing in many ways. We can change for the better, while you have problems changing socks if you're not programed for it. That's the bit you missed.
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Victor Trump
Amarr Unfortunate Enterprises A Very Cynacle Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.20 03:39:00 -
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Doctor tell your reasoning for why we shouldn't fight Nation to a mother who has lost a child in an abduction.. Tell the hundreds who bury a family member daily as they are identified by the SOE.. We Amarr are nothing like nation, we do not force people into ships or arm them with weapons to fight a war they do not believe in, oh wait in the case of Nation they have no choice wether they believe in Nation or not, they still must fight for it..
Again a member of Nation who doesn't see anything wrong with sending people to die for a cause they didn't believe in till they where implanted by nation. You are nothing more then a puppet on a string, and eventually your master will restring you when he gets bored with you, as he has always done to others in the past.
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Doctor Carbonatite
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.20 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Trump Doctor tell your reasoning for why we shouldn't fight Nation to a mother who has lost a child in an abduction.. Tell the hundreds who bury a family member daily as they are identified by the SOE.. We Amarr are nothing like nation, we do not force people into ships or arm them with weapons to fight a war they do not believe in, oh wait in the case of Nation they have no choice wether they believe in Nation or not, they still must fight for it..
Again a member of Nation who doesn't see anything wrong with sending people to die for a cause they didn't believe in till they where implanted by nation. You are nothing more then a puppet on a string, and eventually your master will restring you when he gets bored with you, as he has always done to others in the past.
First, show me where Master Kuvakei has "restrung" anyone.
Second - Those taken by Nation no longer need fear death, for there is rebirth for all. If you want to blame someone for all the dead picked up by the Sisters, you need look no further than capsuleerkind.
Third - No, Amarr doesn't force people into ships to fight a war. Amarr forces them into mines to slowly suffocate on rock dust, Amarr forces them into fields where they work themselves to death or face the fangs of the slaver hound, Amarr forces them to work menial tasks in the hull of a ship that can be sacrificed at whim for the captain's "honor" or the Empress' "glory", all for an Empire and a false God that they do not believe in.
Fourth - Of course you don't arm your slaves with weapons. They'd kill you, as they did when the Elders offlined CONCORD and came to rescue their bretheren.
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Victor Trump
Amarr Unfortunate Enterprises A Very Cynacle Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.20 04:03:00 -
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Doctor then you have never studied your Nation history.. Or you know that Nation restrung the slaves that make up True Power.. They where once implanted to work the in factories and do domestic work.. But when The Puppet Master saw his twisted dream falling apart he restrung his simple little puppets into the warriors they are, he didn't give them the choice to become what they are.. But then again that is the one thing that has always been missing in Nation..
And don't blame the Capsuleers for the deaths caused by Nation. Cause we where not the ones that put them in those ships, and we where not the one that armed them with guns. All that blood is on Nations hands and you can say thier is no death in Nation, but there is death in Nation.. The death though is of a person free will.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.20 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Carbonatite [...]including the Blood Raiders (who openly abduct people for the purposes of ritual torture, blood extraction, and murder)[...]
An oversimplification, comrade. Much like the fuedal patchwork that is the Amarr Empire, the Blood Raider Covenant is just that: a covenant among Holders and other faithful who subscribe to varying sects of the Sani Sabik religion. Some sects engage in the acts you list (there's no denying that), but not all. For example, my own sect is quite mild; all ritualized transfers of blood are with the consent of all participants.
I agree with your other points, especially the comments you made about the Amarr Empire enjoying CONCORD protection.
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Doctor Carbonatite
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.01.20 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rek Jaiga
Originally by: Doctor Carbonatite [...]including the Blood Raiders (who openly abduct people for the purposes of ritual torture, blood extraction, and murder)[...]
An oversimplification, comrade. Much like the fuedal patchwork that is the Amarr Empire, the Blood Raider Covenant is just that: a covenant among Holders and other faithful who subscribe to varying sects of the Sani Sabik religion. Some sects engage in the acts you list (there's no denying that), but not all. For example, my own sect is quite mild; all ritualized transfers of blood are with the consent of all participants.
I agree with your other points, especially the comments you made about the Amarr Empire enjoying CONCORD protection.
Apologies for the oversimplification, Rek. I try to avoid those when possible, but when I try to not write pages where a couple of paragraphs may do, I inevitably make mistakes. I was not so much trying to deride the Sani Sabik as trying to point out the hypocrisy of the Empires and CONCORD. I can see the source of confusion, and am sorry for it.
Originally by: Victor Trump Doctor then you have never studied your Nation history.. Or you know that Nation restrung the slaves that make up True Power.. They where once implanted to work the in factories and do domestic work.. But when The Puppet Master saw his twisted dream falling apart he restrung his simple little puppets into the warriors they are, he didn't give them the choice to become what they are.. But then again that is the one thing that has always been missing in Nation..
And don't blame the Capsuleers for the deaths caused by Nation. Cause we where not the ones that put them in those ships, and we where not the one that armed them with guns. All that blood is on Nations hands and you can say thier is no death in Nation, but there is death in Nation.. The death though is of a person free will.
The way you used "restrung" earlier seemed to imply something more... substantial than a simple reassignment of tasks. If Kuvakei asks me to assist Nation in ways that I have not yet, I will be happy to oblige.
Additionally, as long as you support an Empire kept afloat by Vitoc, you lose all right to criticize others for denying freedom of will or choice.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.20 04:56:00 -
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Originally by: Doctor Carbonatite
Apologies for the oversimplification, Rek. I try to avoid those when possible, but when I try to not write pages where a couple of paragraphs may do, I inevitably make mistakes. I was not so much trying to deride the Sani Sabik as trying to point out the hypocrisy of the Empires and CONCORD. I can see the source of confusion, and am sorry for it.
Quite alright, mate. Nation and Covenant are allies, and I wish to see this continue; I like to iron out any misunderstandings, so to speak.
Originally by: Doctor Carbonatite
Additionally, as long as you support an Empire kept afloat by Vitoc, you lose all right to criticize others for denying freedom of will or choice.
This. No matter how the Imperials argue it, they've got no room to speak.
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Victor Trump
Amarr Unfortunate Enterprises A Very Cynacle Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.20 05:00:00 -
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Ah yes the lovely thing you Nation brats love to throw in our faces.. Vitoc.. Yes it is an interesting drug with interesting side effects. See here is the difference though between our drug and your implants.. The drug is not as wide spread used as your implants are. I am even willing to bet there are less slaves in the empire on Vitoc then there are implanted slaves in Nation..
Second as a son of a slave holder I can assure you that not every Amarrian uses that nasty little drug. In fact my family have had slaves return home from the Republic because they where treated better here then by the very clans they returned too.
In the end Doctor as I have said maney times.. I accept the role cast be me by the Mimmatar and Gallente.. The problem is you and your fellow loyalist are still looking for approval of those you left behind in the Four Great Nations.. Well when you decide to come home and admit your folly, I am sure that you true Nation will once again welcome you home, that is once you paid for any crimes you have commited against it.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.20 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Trump [...]The drug is not as wide spread used as your implants are.[...]
Uhh, your entire navy is manned with Vitoc-injected slaves. As I mentioned in another thread, the Imperial Navy is hundreds of thousands of ships in number and only growing. If the average cruiser requires a crew of a hundred (and if I recall correctly, some need up to three hundred), that's a lot of slaves on Vitoc.
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Victor Trump
Amarr Unfortunate Enterprises A Very Cynacle Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.20 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rek Jaiga
Originally by: Victor Trump [...]The drug is not as wide spread used as your implants are.[...]
Uhh, your entire navy is manned with Vitoc-injected slaves. As I mentioned in another thread, the Imperial Navy is hundreds of thousands of ships in number and only growing. If the average cruiser requires a crew of a hundred (and if I recall correctly, some need up to three hundred), that's a lot of slaves on Vitoc.
And how maney in slaves have been abducted or bought by Nation for implanting since the time of the incursion or even before the incursion. How maney slaves fly Nation ships? Rek your point is moot since I bet like the Empire, Nations own use of implanted slaves is growning as fast if not faster.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.20 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Trump
And how maney in slaves have been abducted or bought by Nation for implanting since the time of the incursion or even before the incursion. How maney slaves fly Nation ships? Rek your point is moot since I bet like the Empire, Nations own use of implanted slaves is growning as fast if not faster.
If you add up the number of people liberated on each planet, the number is pretty small (at least when compared to the total population of the four empires). Much less than the number of slaves your Empire breeds constantly.
No slaves fly Nation ships. They are not slaves in the same sense that your slaves are slaves. They are True Slaves, willing to follow Master Kuvakei's orders.
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Victor Trump
Amarr Unfortunate Enterprises A Very Cynacle Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.20 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rek Jaiga
Originally by: Victor Trump
And how maney in slaves have been abducted or bought by Nation for implanting since the time of the incursion or even before the incursion. How maney slaves fly Nation ships? Rek your point is moot since I bet like the Empire, Nations own use of implanted slaves is growning as fast if not faster.
If you add up the number of people liberated on each planet, the number is pretty small (at least when compared to the total population of the four empires). Much less than the number of slaves your Empire breeds constantly.
No slaves fly Nation ships. They are not slaves in the same sense that your slaves are slaves. They are True Slaves, willing to follow Master Kuvakei's orders.
Willing? That is such an interedsting word coming from one Kuvakei's puppets. There is no will left in a True Slave. The only will left in a True Slave is the will of the Puppet Master who pulls on his strings.. Never forget that fact Rek. If Kuvakei tells you other wise then he lies to you.. True Slaves are nothing more then puppets on a string, they are made to dance, sing and fight for Kuvakei's enjoyment. Look into your soul while you still can see things with your own thoughts Rek for what they truely are.. That everything Kuvakei promises is a Lie!!!!
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.01.20 06:17:00 -
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I currently have, in my possession, two severed heads. The only remotely pleasing activity left to them, seems to be advanced problem solving. So I have them playing chess. That's all they do. That's really all they can do now. This is why I will fight Kuvukai, to prevent more people from becoming glorified biological calculators.
Gullible
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Mizhara Del'thul
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.20 06:24:00 -
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I have to say I have nothing particularly against Sansha's Nation that I don't already have against the Empire. However, comparing yourself to that vile and disgusting cancer in New Eden's human society is not something you want to do. You are just as bad and just as vile as them. I just can't be bothered spending the effort and resources on combating you since CONCORD and the others will happily do that, when I have a more personal grudge to settle with the Empire. Namely freeing the third of our people held in slavery and in the process gain a measure of vengeance against the Empire.
Your turn will come, either before the Empire falls or after. If the latter, I will be coming for you as well. If the former... well, no tears will fall.
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Calathea Sata
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Posted - 2011.01.20 07:56:00 -
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Why so Sansha hiveminded zombie cyborgs Nation? They are not even human; they are in fact a fast growing cancer that's becoming an immediate danger to all of humanity in New Eden. I'm amazed by how many of our capsuleers, while being the supposed elites of the mankind, fail to see just how dangerous this cancer is.
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Crazey Monkey
Gallente Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.01.20 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Trump
Originally by: Rek Jaiga
Originally by: Victor Trump
And how maney in slaves have been abducted or bought by Nation for implanting since the time of the incursion or even before the incursion. How maney slaves fly Nation ships? Rek your point is moot since I bet like the Empire, Nations own use of implanted slaves is growning as fast if not faster.
If you add up the number of people liberated on each planet, the number is pretty small (at least when compared to the total population of the four empires). Much less than the number of slaves your Empire breeds constantly.
No slaves fly Nation ships. They are not slaves in the same sense that your slaves are slaves. They are True Slaves, willing to follow Master Kuvakei's orders.
Willing? That is such an interedsting word coming from one Kuvakei's puppets. There is no will left in a True Slave. The only will left in a True Slave is the will of the Puppet Master who pulls on his strings.. Never fgorget that fact Rek. If Kuvakei tells you other wise then he lies to you.. True Slaves are nothing more then puppets on a string, they are made to dance, sing and fight for Kuvakei's enjoyment. Look into your soul while you still can see things with your own thoughts Rek for what they truely are.. That everything Kuvakei promises is a Lie!!!!
There is an old term I heard once. The pot calling the kettle black, is what it was I believe.
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Aynen
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Posted - 2011.01.20 09:13:00 -
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Personally I believe that the determining factor for CONCORD would be agressive expansion. Amarr, contrary to Nation, does not attempt to expand their territory beyond the borderzone between them and Minmatar, which is really bandid controlled space anyway. Nation on the other hand wishes to expand untill there is nowhere left to expand to, and therefor attempts to overrule everything, including CONCORD. Their attempt at 'unity' does not accept anything to exist beyond itself.
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Mattalious
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Posted - 2011.01.20 10:27:00 -
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"Most in Nation are actually free to pursue their own creative ventures, while Nation utilizes aspects of their mind that they themselves do not feel important. Moreover, we do so with (ultimately removeable) technology."
Really? I've managed to acquire the medical records from the Gallente Medical University research department (I have my methods) and they would certainly contradict your take on reality. Wait, I think I can transfer one of the most interesting files from my personal data pad.
Ah yes...here we go...
Gallente Medical University Medical Research Department To: Dr. Munli Prahbker([email protected]), Dr. K.S Salisse([email protected]), Dr. Carlian Deboise (([email protected])
12.20.112
Subject: Patient 42
Well ladies and gentlemen we have managed to identify patient 42 using DNA records as having been one Melissa Brun, formerly of the Estigone settlement in Ation. As with previous Sansha victims scans have revealed extensive modifications of the parietal cortex and Hippocampus via advanced nanowiring of a type we have yet to identify. We're holding off surgery or any other attempts at removal until we find a way to disable the implants self preservation system of the implants themselves. We need a live patient with the ability to communicate, not a walking vegetable.
Even then Dr. Fournier predicts that the chance of Melissa's previous personality reasserting itself are slim at best. What ever the implant in the Hoppocampus has severed many of neural relays, and hard wired others to be bypassed. He surmises that they were obviously undesirable elements of Miss Brun's previous psychology which the Sansha deemed surplus to requirement, and rather then condition them out of here they "Butchered her brain in order to create an ideal puppet".
After previous incidents we're keeping Miss Brun sedated and restrained, lest she awake from her current catatonic state, and follow the previous pattern of other victims. Also I have recommended that once awake we place her under 24 hour surveillance.
Let's hope we have some good news for inter-governmental panel next month.
Dr. Thomas Desmarais
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Trump
Willing? That is such an interedsting word coming from one Kuvakei's puppets. There is no will left in a True Slave. The only will left in a True Slave is the will of the Puppet Master who pulls on his strings.. Never forget that fact Rek. If Kuvakei tells you other wise then he lies to you.. True Slaves are nothing more then puppets on a string, they are made to dance, sing and fight for Kuvakei's enjoyment. Look into your soul while you still can see things with your own thoughts Rek for what they truely are.. That everything Kuvakei promises is a Lie!!!!
Have you ever spoken to a True Slave? They believe with all their heart that Master Kuvakei's words and vision are the truth. They believe this to be true. No matter who or what they might have been, their identity is now one of belief in The Dream. To say they're just mindless zombies is not accurate at all, and insults their ability to believe and hold opinions. Don't believe me? Look at ship log 187342874 found in the cluster's database. If pain can be felt and an emotional response comes a result of that pain (in this case, concern), the entire popular image of "mindless zombie" is debunked.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.20 13:07:00 -
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The Nation is evil because it refuses to follow the Scriptures.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Sylorin
Caldari MMZ Laboratories LLC
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Posted - 2011.01.20 14:13:00 -
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Why do Concord and everyone else hate Nation so much?
ItÆs simple economics. Even people who hate other kinds of slavery accept the structure of a galaxy that includes the economic gains of the Empire and by extension, criminal groups like the Cartel that engage in the practice. Moral issues aside, the Nation are disturbing a very carefully balanced status-quo. They take from the system without giving back. Even the major pirate groups funnel money and resources back into the galactic economy. Nation keeps all it takes for themselves.
Add to that, theyÆre employing new and deadly effective technology. Whoever gets their hands on that technology will be able to adjust the balance of power in the galaxy and make themselves rich beyond all dreams of avarice.
Yes, there are moral issues. Yes there are many other reasons. But at the end of the day, society is fueled by economy and the Nation is damaging everyone economically like no other group has ever managed to do before. And money is power too, so those in power especially feel the threat that Nation represents.
Money, like energy cannot be destroyed, only moved or changed. The ôBig Fourö have no reason to accept a fifth, especially one that doesnÆt want to carve out their own niche, but take everything from everyone. And Concord is a main safety valve in the movement of money and resources through the galaxy. So itÆs in their best interest to oppose groups that threaten their already precarious position.
Use whatever moral definition makes you happy. But we are the ôhaves,ö they are the ôhave-notsö and theyÆre big enough to try and take what is ours and make themselves the only ôhavesö in the galaxy. That is why they need to be opposed. Everything else is window dressing.
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Rando Varlesson
Minmatar Unfortunate Enterprises A Very Cynacle Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.20 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rando Varlesson on 20/01/2011 15:30:26
Originally by: Rek Jaiga
Have you ever spoken to a True Slave? They believe with all their heart that Master Kuvakei's words and vision are the truth. They believe this to be true. No matter who or what they might have been, their identity is now one of belief in The Dream. To say they're just mindless zombies is not accurate at all, and insults their ability to believe and hold opinions. Don't believe me? Look at ship log 187342874 found in the cluster's database. If pain can be felt and an emotional response comes a result of that pain (in this case, concern), the entire popular image of "mindless zombie" is debunked.
They Believe.. Interesting words Rek.. So I ask, was this belief for the Puppet Masters words before or after he programmed them to die for him. Rek again I beseech you in the Lord's name to turn from the path of Puppet Master and to realize that what he does is in his best interest and no one elses. To realize that everything he says or does in Nation is built on a lie. His world is a house of cards and like before it will be blown down again.
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Victor Trump
Amarr Unfortunate Enterprises A Very Cynacle Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.20 15:39:00 -
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So they feel pain.. Or do they Rek? Seems from all the logs I read that the only time they felt pain was when they where having issues with there implants. Now was it pain or a fail safe? Realise Rek that this things no longer live like you and me.. They only serve the Puppet Master and do his bidding.. They can no longer think for themselves.. The only reasons they believe, is because they they are programed to do so, not because they want too.. Again I beg that you wake up and face the lie that is the Puppet Master before it is too late.
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Niraia
Gallente Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.20 16:51:00 -
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Yes, Victor. Your daughter felt pain when you killed her. -
eohpoker.com sanshasnation.net
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Victor Trump
Amarr Unfortunate Enterprises A Very Cynacle Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.20 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Niraia Yes, Victor. Your daughter felt pain when you killed her.
Niaraia I think one of your memory circuits are malfunctioning, you might want to get one of the Puppet Master's techs to service it for you.. It was my niece that was murder by Nation.. As I told you the thing I shot stop being my niece the minute the implants where put in her head. See there comes in those too words Rek like to throw around WILL and BELIEF.. If it had been my niece's will she wouldn't have been where she was. She would have been back at the one place she loved more then anything.. But that is what happens when you forcefully implanted by Nation.. Your own hopes and dreams are taken away from you and the WILL of Nation is forced on you. When you take away a person's true hopes and dreams they stop being who they where.
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Niraia
Gallente Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.20 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Trump
Originally by: Niraia Yes, Victor. Your daughter felt pain when you killed her.
Niaraia I think one of your memory circuits are malfunctioning, you might want to get one of the Puppet Master's techs to service it for you.. It was my niece that was murder by Nation.. As I told you the thing I shot stop being my niece the minute the implants where put in her head. See there comes in those too words Rek like to throw around WILL and BELIEF.. If it had been my niece's will she wouldn't have been where she was. She would have been back at the one place she loved more then anything.. But that is what happens when you forcefully implanted by Nation.. Your own hopes and dreams are taken away from you and the WILL of Nation is forced on you. When you take away a person's true hopes and dreams they stop being who they where.
Sincere apologies! I meant your niece. Please don't take that as some kind of threat, should you have a daughter.
Anyway, she still felt pain. She had new hopes and dreams. You took them away from her by killing her. How selfish. -
eohpoker.com sanshasnation.net
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Victor Trump
Amarr Unfortunate Enterprises A Very Cynacle Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.20 18:04:00 -
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You just made my point.. And from whom did she recieve those hopes and dreams that where not her own.. Ah yes the Puppet Master.. As I have said my niece stopped being who she was the minute your tech put those implants in her head against her will..
Give it up child. Even the most advance Logic Circuits the Puppet Master may place in your head will never change the what happened. The Nation is more responsible for her death then I will ever be.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.20 18:21:00 -
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Prior to Integration, an individual does not believe in Master's dream. After Integration, they believe and fight for Master's dream. This is what you are saying.
Now I ask a somewhat philosophical question: what is identity? If a True Slave now believes in Master's dream, is their prior set of beliefs of any relevance?
"Well you're taking our people", you may say. This has been going on for centuries now, and yet CONCORD has upheld this status quo.
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.20 18:24:00 -
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Don't waste your time responding to the toasters' latest PR spin attempt, pilots. The more time you spend engaging them in conversation the less time you'll have for killing them and cleansing the cluster of their disease.
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