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Markius TheShed
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:46:00 -
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The old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" springs to mind. And while I will not be coming to the aid of any Amarrian who is under attack by Sansha they are slavers just the same so need to be defeated as well.
Our priority must remain the Minmatar people so after freeing our brothers and sisters under occupation in the Eugidi constallation we turn our attention to our people in Devoid.
I don't care who you think is the greatest threat to you and I don't care if Sansha wipe the whole Amarr empire out of existence as this will not change anything Slavers will be replaced by Slavers.
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Rinai Vero
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 08:55:00 -
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Meditate on this: Both the Araz Constellation in your own Empire, and the Joas Constellation in the Ammatar Mandate are suffering full scale incursions from Sansha forces. How embarrassing will it be to Amarran loyalists if we Gallente and Matari are the ones to drive Sansha's Nation from your borders? How ashamed will your Empress be of her servants then?
Common bonds of humanity are held dear by all true Gallente. If you will not protect your people, we will not sit idly by as they suffer. Once the people of Algintal and Obray are safe, we will see Kuvekei's minions purged wherever they threaten the innocent.
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Vanguard Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2011.01.27 10:14:00 -
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My compatriots and I inhabit distant systems only accessible by wormholes. We come from all walks of life and all empires. We have no luxury for squabbles and petty differences in the dangers of unknown space; either we work together, or we fall separately.
If those speakers here truly wish to combat the Master and his rising empire, you will have to do the same.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.27 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Markius TheShed The old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" springs to mind. And while I will not be coming to the aid of any Amarrian who is under attack by Sansha they are slavers just the same so need to be defeated as well.
Our priority must remain the Minmatar people so after freeing our brothers and sisters under occupation in the Eugidi constallation we turn our attention to our people in Devoid.
I don't care who you think is the greatest threat to you and I don't care if Sansha wipe the whole Amarr empire out of existence as this will not change anything Slavers will be replaced by Slavers.
Well said, I agree with most of this. However we can free slaves from the chains and vitoxin of the Amarrians but there is as yet no remedy for what the Nation do to those they 'uplift'.
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:00:00 -
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I had Rodj Blake himself on my overview when Sansha tried to invade Yulai a few days ago. I didn't open fire. So for me the priorities are set.
And if I twist myself on the way Amarrians judge priorities this would be not different. Because - why should they fight the Sansha? Yes, I think their breed can not be brought to god anymore. But whoever falls into their hands will definitely fall from god forever.
Whole colonies have been raided and were distorted to technological-biological abominations that now begin to raid the Empire space on an invasion scale. You should have seen the situation in the constellations under blockade. Ten thousand of capsuleer ships lost every day.
The F.I.A. has brought down during their time of existence about 3700 ships, mostly Amarrian crusaders. We are not the largest of the Minmatar Militia corporations that fight the Empire. No. But we did over the two and a halve year not the damage the Sansha do every day.
We are a bit proud of our performance and don't think we do bad on the battlefield. PIE Inc. has killed 12401 ships in the time of their existence. The Sansha kill this number of ships almost every day. In just one constellation, not to talk about the other two battlefields.
Seriously - you ask which threat is bigger?! There is absolutely no doubt. And until the capsuleer community has learned to deal with the thread on a better efficiency than waste thousands of Drake battlecruisers, then it is the duty of us military loyalists to build the spearhead and help the others to deal with the problem.
If this is achieved we can return to our usual routine and fight each other. But until then our military experience and the capability of our logistics support for the battlefield is needed to get them down and out.
They are bad for freedom. They are bad for the spirit. They are unholy abominations of gods creation.
And you seriously ask what to do? Damn get in a Drake and get ripped apart if you think this is no serious threat. The rest of us capsuleers have to learn how to deal with this. Then we can reassign our forces into the Bleak Lands. But to not fight them is something like treason of humankind.
This is the way I see it. And I doubt your god sees it different. Well I'm not good in interpreting the will of a nonexistent being. And I'm no inquisitor. But if I'd be I'd go and kill the damn bastards that cowardly hide in their daily routine and don't stand their man on this front.
That's what I say. I don't say the Sansha are harder to beat than the Amarr or Caldari capsuleer fleets. This is not true. But they strike on our most vulnerable place - they rip apart our civilians.
And what is military for if they don't care about civilians? -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/01/2011 11:24:24
Originally by: Alica Wildfire
That's what I say. I don't say the Sansha are harder to beat than the Amarr or Caldari capsuleer fleets. This is not true. But they strike on our most vulnerable place - they rip apart our civilians.
And what is military for if they don't care about civilians?
As you're no doubt aware Kuvakei has been banging on about capsuleers a lot lately. It's clear that the Sanshas are shifting their focus from planetary raids to occupying space. As such they're becoming less of a threat to civilians.
Meanwhile, the war between the Shakorites and the Empire has involved (and continues to involve) the wholsesale occupation of planets.
So if we use your criterion of protecting civilians then it's clear that the Republic is a bigger threat to the Empire than the Sansha.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You know very well what the Amarrians could very easily do to make a cease fire possible.
I for one don't. The Matari were a depraved and scattered primitive tribal civilization. We came to bring God's word and brought them a way of life that leads to knowing God. Not only this, but we have striven towards peace. It was not for nothing that Emperor Heideran won the Aidonis. And after our efforts to bring stability and peace, the Matari terrorists lead an unprovoked attack into the Ammatar mandate devastating the economy. It is no wonder that not all Minmatar wanted to board the "rescue vessels".
We return and repair the economy, build schools, hospitals, etc. And how are we repaid? With terrorism.
Where you insinuate that slavery is wrong, we prove that it is for the good of the unfaithful.
Please, do not associate the name of Heideran with the Reclaiming. He was awarded for diplomacy and inter empires relationship, not for some kind of holy crusade. |
Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Alica Wildfire on 27/01/2011 12:36:37 It's clear that the Sanshas are shifting their focus from planetary raids to occupying space. As such they're becoming less of a threat to civilians.
Meanwhile, the war between the Shakorites and the Empire has involved (and continues to involve) the wholsesale occupation of planets.
Why do you think the Sansha begin to raid whole constellations instead of planets? To leave the people on the planets alone? I can't imagine that you are this blind.
There is no worth in land. There is no worth in space. What counts is people and ressources. And ressources are only interesting because you can get more people under control with them.
The first Sansha raids were just to get people directly to form this kind of fleet and get into the next stage of their assault. You do not honestly think the Sansha don't begin to enslave more if they fortified their first Empire constellation, do you?
And I can't imagine that you stand by the death of millions (10000 Ships lost a day with an average of say 1000 crew on board makes 10 million losses a day on our side - just on one theatre alone).
You say you don't care?
If you don't care and instead turn on the fight of Minmatar I really can't see anything other in you but a traitor to the human kind and a Sansha supporter. And with this a traitor to your own god. A heretic. In your words. Really.
As a military you may say that your assets can't be moved into Empire at the moment because you protect a zerosec alliance and are bound there. That's a complete other story. But corporations like PIE Inc. are resident in the Empire. And their assignment is to protect that from threats from outside.
F.I.A. still is fighting on the Bleak Lands frontier, yes. But we do serious work to get fight the Sansha ourselves and help others to find good tactics. When the civilian capsuleer forces have learned their lesson, which will happen soon enough I hope, we are again free to do what we do best - kick Amarrian asses. This is no question of earning money. We have better ways to earn money than this war - which is not bad on the cash side but there are better ways. We don't care about cash when we have to do our duty. Or is PIE just fearing the losses they will suffer? Yes, you will have losses. We had very very few but we had some. This is no time to show fear and hesitate. This is the time where the man will split from the mice.
To ignore this threat is a failure, I think. Every attack that is successfull will weaken the Empires and strengthen the Sansha. And if this happens enough we will all fail and fall.
Either we pull together at the same rope here or we will be overrun earlier or later. I don't know what kind of drugs you use if you think you can ignore the Sansha threat unpunished, but you better stop using them. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:37:00 -
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I'm not saying that the Sansha aren't a threat.
What I am saying is that they're no more a threat then the Shakorites and their Jovian puppet masters.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Medarr
Amarr ZeroSec
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:43:00 -
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Not every Amarrian agrees with Mr Blake, let that be known. My gun sights are pointed towards the sansha and I will fight along side those that used to be enemies.
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Enyalie
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.01.27 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex we can not just abandon efforts in The Bleak Lands
Go for it; you shan't be missed.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.27 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake I'm not saying that the Sansha aren't a threat.
What I am saying is that they're no more of a threat to the Empire than the Shakorites and their Jovian puppet masters.
You could easily end that war - release your slaves. As stated a million times before, if they are truly your people, rather than the Minmatar's, they'll stay with you by choice. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Valklear Guard
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Posted - 2011.01.27 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kahar Dex What is Amarr to do?
Free my kinsmen.
Quote:
Neu Bastian Murientor Tribe
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.27 13:51:00 -
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*smiles* No matter what happens, I win. The cluster will unite of its own accord, or Nation will bring True Unity to it.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake I'm not saying that the Sansha aren't a threat.
What I am saying is that they're no more of a threat to the Empire than the Shakorites and their Jovian puppet masters.
You could easily end that war - release your slaves. As stated a million times before, if they are truly your people, rather than the Minmatar's, they'll stay with you by choice.
We both know that it wouldn't be enough to satisfy the bloodlust of the Shakorites. After all, when you give in to threats of violence all you do is encourage more threats.
Besides, have you seen the misery and destruction that the release of a relatively small number of slaves caused in the Republic? Do you really want to see that again but on a far wider scale?
No, we'll release our remaining Minmatar slaves when they're ready for release, the same as happened with the Ni-Kunni, the Udorians and those Minmatar who we already set free.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.27 14:19:00 -
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The death of the Amarr Empire would be no great loss to the universe. What exactly have you contributed to us that we couldn't produce or develop for ourselves? (Oh, and please don't say your morality or your religion. This is hardly the time for poor jokes). The Amarr Empire has been of absolutely no use during this conflict - your vast navy has proven no more useful fighting the Sansha than any other, and your capsuleers have shown even less willingness to work with traditional adversaries than the Caldari have (for reference, note that I'm currently in co-operation with strongly avowed Caldari State loyalists against the Sansha). The only real concern I have for the Empire is its civilians - those unfortunates who had the rather awful luck of being born into your society. They don't deserve to be caught in the backdraft of your short-sightedness.
And it certainly seems like they are so far. Of the four incursions currently occuring in empire space, only the Gallente Federation has made any progress whatsoever in removing theirs. The people of Joas and Araz - who are, by and large, in no way responsible for your nation's insanity - are suffering. Meanwhile, we're actually making real progress here in Algintal towards removing these scum. Of course, not all of the pilots responsible for these victories have directly pledged loyalty to the Federation, but it certainly seems like we're getting more competent pilots willing to help us out than you are.
Oh, I do wonder why that could be? ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/01/2011 14:45:12 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 27/01/2011 14:44:38
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris The death of the Amarr Empire would be no great loss to the universe. What exactly have you contributed to us that we couldn't produce or develop for ourselves? (Oh, and please don't say your morality or your religion. This is hardly the time for poor jokes).
Comments like that probably aren't the best way to ensure Amarrian co-operation, and simply provide further proof of your racist attitude towards us.
I expected better from the self-proclaimed leader of the anti-Sansha movement. But then I remembered that it's you.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.01.27 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Comments like that probably aren't the best way to ensure Amarrian co-operation, and simply provide further proof of your racist attitude towards us.
That's hilarious - a man who regularly talks about "degenerates", "lesser races" and "subhumans" accuses people of being racist.
As for your co-operation, I'm not entirely sure we need or want it, but from the looks of things you most likely need ours. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sakura Imoru
Originally by: Kahar Dex
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
You know very well what the Amarrians could very easily do to make a cease fire possible.
I for one don't. The Matari were a prospering and peaceful living spacefaring tribal civilization. We came with massive warships to bring destruction and abducted millions into a life of suffering, abuse and humiliation.
Fixed it for you.
Truer words have never been spoken.
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Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:41:00 -
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Since there seems to be more bickering than usual regarding who should be assisting who regarding Nation attacks, I took the time to tell this to the SYNE channel and we will do the same here:
Nation attacks in the Kingdom will be handled internally. Assistance from loyal Imperial Forces and Pro-State organizations will more than likely be accepted with open arms, although we advise capsuleers to take care before entering any low security systems in the area we are operating in.
Federalists, Tribals, and assorted Heathens will be shot on site, regardless of any intentions to 'assist' in the Khanid region, in any areas where CONCORD does not hold sway.
This is our only public statement on the matter.
Silas Vitalia CEO Khanid Provincial Vanguard Open for Recruitment!
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Vlad Cetes
Caldari Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.27 19:51:00 -
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To answer Dex's question: There is one thing for Amarr to do. Die.
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Doctor Carbonatite
True Slave News Network
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Posted - 2011.01.27 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Carbonatite on 27/01/2011 20:55:36
Originally by: Ostos Marek
After testing 100 captured sansha pilots/crew The only drawbacks are that: A.) The person is no longer fully themselves. If able to be "disconnected" then that the person lives at a high functioning mentally challenged individual at best. B.) So far nearly 73 of all tested have died, 20 have survived with a comparible I.Q. of fourty-five, 6 have a comparible I.Q. of seventy, and 1 yet to be determined.
Ah, so you had 73 intelligent people, 26 would-be Amarrian faithful, and a Caldari?
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ValentinaDLM
Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.01.27 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Originally by: Rodj Blake Comments like that probably aren't the best way to ensure Amarrian co-operation, and simply provide further proof of your racist attitude towards us.
That's hilarious - a man who regularly talks about "degenerates", "lesser races" and "subhumans" accuses people of being racist.
As for your co-operation, I'm not entirely sure we need or want it, but from the looks of things you most likely need ours.
To be totally fair here, Mr. Blake was one of the first ones shooting at us in the promised land. He didn't seem to have much support, but he didn't seem to be whining and asking for any either.
From my point of view doesn't seem he needed your help. Too bad he didn't set still for just a few seconds longer, my bomber almost had a good warp in on him too. Mr. Blake I implore you to consider the needs of stealth pilots like me next time.
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.01.28 05:03:00 -
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All of you Amarrian fools can burn, be uplifted, what the hell ever. You don't want anyone's assistance, that's fine with me. I most certainly won't be going into Amarr or Ammatar space to battle the toasters. If I see you in civilized space again (especially that doddering old fool Blake whom I should have shot to pieces at Yulai) I'll turn my guns onto you after dealing with the immediate Sansha threat.
I'll laugh and hold a party the day when Kuvakei opens a wormhole above Amarr Prime and uplifts the entire royal court. Actually that would be quite poetic to have the zombie master and the zombie queen together.
Amarr Incindere!
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.28 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Anabella Rella All of you Amarrian fools can burn, be uplifted, what the hell ever. You don't want anyone's assistance, that's fine with me. I most certainly won't be going into Amarr or Ammatar space to battle the toasters. If I see you in civilized space again (especially that doddering old fool Blake whom I should have shot to pieces at Yulai) I'll turn my guns onto you after dealing with the immediate Sansha threat.
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if you did. After all, at least one member of your alliance did fire on me during the fighting in Yulai.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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laysha
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.01.28 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: laysha on 28/01/2011 10:35:05
Originally by: Maddox Yung Edited by: Maddox Yung on 26/01/2011 11:18:16
Originally by: Kahar Dex racist propaganda
honestly!
i mean seriously!
Sanshas Nation is at our doorstep trying to tear us apart....
and you decide to chew on US.... who are helping YOUR people to defend against the attacks.... while YOUR navy sits and watches....
am i missing something?
the last time i looked i found more gallente and minmatar on these nation battlefields than i could see amarrians! i mean Come On!!!!
i mean nothing, nothing at all against the Amarr people or thier allies.
just this twit.
Typical Gallente self righteousness, meddel in other nations affairs and corrupting the minds of our brothers and sisters under the banner of aid and expecting us to thank you for it You talk as if we owe you something, we never asked you to come and would much prefer it if you stayed away.
I urge all loyal Amarrians to let this one play out and deal with who ever is left standing when the dust settles. Nothing good can come from joining fleets with these savages as it only gives them a foothold in the empire from which poison the minds of young impressionable Amarrians with their sin and corruption
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Zanziba'ar
Minmatar Show No Mercy P R I M E
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Posted - 2011.01.28 12:23:00 -
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Nation isn't as much of a threat as you are all lead to believe. Forget nation! Amarr is the true enemy. You should all stop worrying about one small nation that can barely take on concord let alone the Minmatar Republic and Gallente Federation. I believe that the Ammarian influence over concord is being used to make this "threat" seem much larger than it actually is in order to hide some Amarrian plot. Forget Nation. We must bring down the hypocrite so called "empire" or the shadow of.
"I am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come--the Almighty One." " I am Zanziba'ar." |
Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.28 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Anabella Rella All of you Amarrian fools can burn, be uplifted, what the hell ever. You don't want anyone's assistance, that's fine with me. I most certainly won't be going into Amarr or Ammatar space to battle the toasters. If I see you in civilized space again (especially that doddering old fool Blake whom I should have shot to pieces at Yulai) I'll turn my guns onto you after dealing with the immediate Sansha threat.
I'll laugh and hold a party the day when Kuvakei opens a wormhole above Amarr Prime and uplifts the entire royal court. Actually that would be quite poetic to have the zombie master and the zombie queen together.
Amarr Incindere!
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Marus Sulla
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Vlad Cetes To answer Dex's question: There is one thing for Amarr to do. Die.
Good to see the old fires still burning among some of the brothers.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.28 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Marus Sulla
Originally by: Vlad Cetes To answer Dex's question: There is one thing for Amarr to do. Die.
Good to see the old fires still burning among some of the brothers.
Burning is too good for a lot of you.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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