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Kuvaki
Care Factor
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Posted - 2011.01.26 14:12:00 -
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hi,
i am currently looking into setting up a large pos with witch to moon mine from,i am looking to prducing 100 ceramic powders per hr selfcontained, i did the math, currently the stuff sells for 1.4k ea in amarr, at 1k ea id make 750m a month, the pos will also have a hangar to be used for ratting as the system has no station.
if i get approval and knowing this my questions are. 1) will 750m pay off the monthly feul with some profit? 2) is a coupling array nessisary (if i dont have that i may be able to squeeze in a fitting array) 3) once i get the bubble up, can i leave the mods (i.e guns harvester ammo etc..) in the hangar array so i just pull them out and set them up as i go? 4) is faction ammo really wurth my hard urned isk'ies 5)should i train into pos gunner to operate my shiney weapons? (i kinda really wanna see the x25 dmg mods hit something big lol) 6)[and lastly] would 1B be enof to get this project up and going?
thanks for your help, opinions and ansers
Kuv
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Zakarumit CZ
Amarr Kiroshi Group Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.01.26 14:53:00 -
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1.)Yes, 750M is enough to cover fuel nd you will still have some profit...especially if you will produce PI parts of fuel on your own (its easy) 2.) In my opinion coupling array is cool when you are mining something expensive, like r32/r64 materials. If you are gonna mine some moon gases or the lower rarity moon materials, loosing 1 batch when silo is offline is not a big tragedy... 3.) I am not sure if I get it right, but if you are asking if you can anchor structures even when its bubble up, then yes, you can. 4.) Well, some faction ammos are pretty cheap and it may pay off...but I think its not nessesary 5.)I think 1 person can control max 1 weapon at time, so on your own you will probably not make much a difference. Other thing is when you have few people trained as pos gunners and they cooperate when under siege. 6.) Yeah, I think with 1 billion you can make it, it should be enough even for some faction ammo
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Kuvaki
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:04:00 -
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Thanks for the reply =)
as for question 3"once i get the bubble up, can i leave the mods (i.e guns harvester ammo etc..) in the hangar array so i just pull them out and set them up as i go?" i mean can the extra modules be stored into the hangar array instead of making 9? or so trips across 2 or 3 or more lowsec/nullsec systems to get them to the pos, like pull then out of hangar to my cargo hold, and then anchor/online them, to in essence take out alot of travel time, like once i get the hangar and tower up cyno in a jump freightor or blackops in some blocade runners, make life easyer and safe for all thoese helping me with the undertaking.
on a side note, pos gunners can control up to 5 weapons.
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BolsterBomb
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:15:00 -
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You forgot one important item. And maybe you have it but didnt mention it.
You have to run a reaction to get the ceramic powders, did you factor in the cost to buy the other mats to react with.
THis is where your proffits will get cut. I was working the numbers on some simple/ complex. you can make money but with a lot fo the reactions unless you are using the pos for other items it isnt worth the time. If I have to maintain a pos and ship fuel, get reaction matrerials, etc. I better be making 200m+ a month.
Some people will disagree and will want to see 500m+ a month to do it. But make sure you check out the reaction componets and the cost for the extra componets you cant mine
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Kuvaki
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:19:00 -
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i did count the 2nd ingredient, ceramic powder is a simple reaction, the moon i have asked permition to use has all the substances for that perticular reaction on it, in my poss set up i will have 2 harvesters 1 silo and a reactor (undecided if i want the coupling) but either way the reactions will be "self-contained" so no importing of other moon substances.. just export.. =3 Individualy reliable, Collectivly diciplned |
BolsterBomb
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:26:00 -
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If your only doing a simple I would advise trying to go for a caldari med tower.
You can run a simple and moon miner, I would also advise using 3 silos one for each mat and one for the finished output.
Use Eve HQ Pos planner, I was able to build a med caldar tower and mine + simple reactor, etc. This will reduce your fuel cost signifigantly.
Also did you factor in the rent of the moon (if your getting permission)
Just trying to help, Ive setup one to many pos and said "ahhh crapp I forgot...."
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Mandarani
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:34:00 -
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1) 1 month of fuel costs about 300-400million for a large tower (depending on load) 2) coupling arrays are useless in this case. They are useful when you need a silo but don't have the CPU, and can act as a tiny silo. 3)Yes 4)meh 5)It can't hurt 6)Should be, though you might want to buy a couple weeks, or even one month worth of moon mats to kickstart your production.
As a side note, make sure you can move your production. Intermediary moon mats tend to be slow movers on the markets. Also don't underestimate the stupid amount of hauling you will have to do. (it's a lot for fuel and production though you only have 1 pos so doable, but a JF would make your life much easier)
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Kuvaki
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:35:00 -
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the moon rent would be free i think, not sure but i think... 3 silos would burn up alot of space for defences, the system i am going for isint that open but its not invulnerable either.. i have the pos (amarr control tower(the big ones)) filled up to its pg limit almost and same for cpu having defences packed ontop of it, this is going to be low/nullsec, ive been here 2 weeks or so.. its never as safe as i like it to be. and the 1 silo should be ok, they have a big storage, the amarr tower will give it 10k extra storage, and the reactor will reduce the size of the units i think, ill check that when i get home.
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Kalseti
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Posted - 2011.01.26 15:45:00 -
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5)should i train into pos gunner to operate my shiney weapons?
Yes, and the privious poster is incorect you can control as many guns as you train the def skill to up to 5.
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Tinu Moorhsum
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Posted - 2011.01.26 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tinu Moorhsum on 26/01/2011 16:32:30
If you're doing it to try it out and have fun with something new then that's all cool. It pays reasonably well all things considered but keep in mind that it's probably more work (maybe a LOT more work) to keep a POS feeling happy than you think it will be unless your logistics are tight and you have both a jump freighter at your disposal and enough isk to stockpile fuel.
Also, one cost you're forgetting about is the cost of rebuilding it. You *could* get lucky, but you should calculate the cost of replacing it when it gets shot down. If your corp is in a large alliance then it will be picked on eventually and if your corp is tiny enough to fly under the radar then it will probably get picked on eventually too because you won't be able to defend it. Low-sec pirates *will* get bored enough to shoot anything just because it's there (believe it!). If it's not in your alliance's direct operating area then I'd recommend writing off the expenditure for the POS itself in 6 months and re-calculate your projected profits based on that.
Good luck
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Emporer Norton
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Posted - 2011.01.26 16:42:00 -
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A moon miner outputs the input amount of a simple reaction so only need silo's on the output side also gallente get 100% silo bonus and can do a simple on a medium tower
Originally by: BolsterBomb If your only doing a simple I would advise trying to go for a caldari med tower.
You can run a simple and moon miner, I would also advise using 3 silos one for each mat and one for the finished output.
Use Eve HQ Pos planner, I was able to build a med caldar tower and mine + simple reactor, etc. This will reduce your fuel cost signifigantly.
Also did you factor in the rent of the moon (if your getting permission)
Just trying to help, Ive setup one to many pos and said "ahhh crapp I forgot...."
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Sexorella hotz
SexyCor
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Posted - 2011.01.26 18:14:00 -
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Edited by: Sexorella hotz on 26/01/2011 18:14:27 On the issue of coupling array, it would be a waste of fitting, and rarely will help. For any extraction, your output silo should be down for only 3 min. Hit offline, hit online, while its onlining remove the materials. If you pay attention you can also find about what time the POS cycles and avoid extraction at those times.
Also I recommend gallente towers, you'll be able to ignore the tower for up to a week, 2 weeks if you use 2 silos.
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Lui Shi
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:14:00 -
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In my experience Complex reactions are profitable no matter what IF you make your own fuel. So get into PI. As well it's a gooooood idea to get dedaf's industrial tool. Excellent resource. Type it into google, first hit on eve forums. :)
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Shi In my experience Complex reactions are profitable no matter what IF you make your own fuel. So get into PI. As well it's a gooooood idea to get dedaf's industrial tool. Excellent resource. Type it into google, first hit on eve forums. :)
Becuase the fuel you make yourself is free, yes?
But while we're sharing tips. IN my experience all T1 ships are profitable IF you mine your own minerals.
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Kuvaki
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Posted - 2011.01.27 13:36:00 -
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thank you all for your help and advice, unfortunaltly the people im asking for permition sent me a reactions spread sheet... killed my dreams in 2 secs flat.
but also i found a complez reaction that would net me all most 100m profit/month or so
may give that a try if i can get the JF pilot to help me out with the many more just i would need... sigh.... time to swich training from bomber to rhea i guess >.< Individualy reliable, Collectivly diciplned |
Aunty Nora
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Posted - 2011.01.27 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Pohbis
Becuase the fuel you make yourself is free, yes?
But while we're sharing tips. IN my experience all T1 ships are profitable IF you mine your own minerals.
**** off and die, PI mats are almost free, 5 minutes clicking every 2 days is hardly a time sink.
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2011.01.27 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: heheheh on 27/01/2011 14:59:09
Originally by: Kuvaki thank you all for your help and advice, unfortunaltly the people im asking for permition sent me a reactions spread sheet... killed my dreams in 2 secs flat.
but also i found a complez reaction that would net me all most 100m profit/month or so
may give that a try if i can get the JF pilot to help me out with the many more just i would need... sigh.... time to swich training from bomber to rhea i guess >.<
I would advise you do the maths yourself instead of using spreadsheets made by other people. Alot of these things are not accurate and are made by people not wanting you to tread on their toes.
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2011.01.27 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Aunty Nora **** off and die, PI mats are almost free, 5 minutes clicking every 2 days is hardly a time sink.
Whoa whoa, why so mad?
I guess your no time-sink PI materials are worth 0 ISK on the market as well?
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Kuvaki
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Posted - 2011.01.27 17:40:00 -
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i plan to take a trip to jita after school and get a little too freindly with the excel program... and the system i want has planets for mech parts and coolant and something from lava... whatever that will be... so that will cut some cost.. but gonna ask for permition first.. dont want to step on no1s toes... Individualy reliable, Collectivly diciplned |
mine4ever
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Posted - 2011.01.27 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kuvaki Edited by: Kuvaki on 26/01/2011 14:23:07 hi,
i am currently looking into setting up a large pos with witch to moon mine from,i am looking to prducing 100 ceramic powders per hr selfcontained, i did the math, currently the stuff sells for 1.4k ea in amarr, at 1k ea id make 750m a month, the pos will also have a hangar to be used for ratting as the system has no station.
is it me but where r u getting 750m a month from, i am tired so my maths may be wrong lol
100 units per hour = 2,400 per day multiply 30 days = 72,000 units per month
72,000 @ 1,400k each = 100,800,000.00
where is the 750m per moth from ?
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:04:00 -
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I can't help but think that you have numbers COMPLETELY and TOTALLY WRONG.
1) Simple reactions produce 200 units per hour self contained. 2) 24 hours in a day * 30 days in a month * 200 units per hour = 144,000 units per month 3) 144,000 * 1400 = 201 million ISK *GROSS*. That does not count the cost of materials or the cost of POS fuel. 4) A large POS can handle two simple reactions at once, so if you go that route that's 402 million ISK per month.
My numbers indicate that a large POS costing 400k ISK per hour in fuel would end up LOSING 57 million ISK per month in the best possible case: buying materials from buy orders and selling products via sell orders. Please note that minerals you mine are not free - sometimes it is better to simply sell your moon minerals straight to buy orders than to react them. The difference between the two is your opportunity cost.
My suggestion is to figure out how to build your own reaction worksheet, and calculate your monthly costs and potential profits before going ahead with this. It is VERY easy to lose money on reactions. Platinum technite right now, for example, will give you a monthly LOSS of 1.4 billion ISK if you have 2 reactions running on a large tower. Granted, that's only because technetium just took another huge spike and platinum technite prices haven't adjusted yet. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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