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Kamerly Shayiskhun
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Posted - 2011.01.28 03:42:00 -
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Am I the only one who has noticed how low the payouts are on today's courier contracts are, I mean even ones that seem legit with a full load for a freighter, they giving payouts of 1k to 50k for up to 8 jumps or more, yet the collateral is just as high as normal! I mean as a freighter pilot or at least I would believe that most would not want to haul that for so little, considering how long it can take to get some places!
Am I the only or feels this way or do others agree?
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Talon Lordee
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.28 03:47:00 -
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Did the payouts use to be higher?
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Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp. Fallen Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.28 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Talon Lordee Did the payouts use to be higher?
The reward is set by the Player who makes the contract. So, they used to be higher, lower, and the same as they are now, just depends on when and where you looked.
There is no standard formula for determining the reward, but the obvious one might be "The least amount I can offer, and still get some schlub to haul it."
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Shaampoo
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Posted - 2011.01.28 03:56:00 -
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Bewteen the trap contracts and the low payouts i feel the courier industry needs a boycotte
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Kamerly Shayiskhun
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Posted - 2011.01.28 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shaampoo Bewteen the trap contracts and the low payouts i feel the courier industry needs a boycotte
I agree, I know they haven't always been the highest paying, but they are seriously pathetic now for payment! If I am going to take my time to haul a load that is over 100k m3 several jumps, I want more then 1k isk in payment!
At least that is my opinion.
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Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.01.28 04:50:00 -
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Look at Red Frog Freight, they haul for a good deal over normal courier contract price but make a ton because people know them as reliable and fast and because of that use them regularly (they are my go to freight service). There is a way to do courier's with a decent profit, just have to build up a reputation
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.01.28 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Idicious Lightbane Look at Red Frog Freight, they haul for a good deal over normal courier contract price but make a ton because people know them as reliable and fast and because of that use them regularly (they are my go to freight service). There is a way to do courier's with a decent profit, just have to build up a reputation
How often do they get decced? Just wondering.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2011.01.28 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shaampoo Bewteen the trap contracts and the low payouts i feel the courier industry needs a boycotte
does need an overhaul. TBH I'd think a default rate of at least 150 isk per m3 would be fair. Seems fair to me...I have paid 250 per m3 at most places I have been in 0.0 for jf runs, take off some isk since no fuel costs and less aggravation to be fair (mid and endpoin cynos, crap like that).
Should not be hard. If you make sale item exchange contract, ccp nice enough to pretax you and add it to the contract costs when you make it. Really want 50 mil for an item...better add a couple mil to the contract ask price otherwise your take is like 48 or soemthing like it factoring in contract costs.
Guy requesting the courier wants to pay more...let the contracts adjust for that ofc.
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CCP Spitfire
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Posted - 2011.01.28 06:57:00 -
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Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.28 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Thomas on 28/01/2011 07:43:47 Edited by: Steve Thomas on 28/01/2011 07:38:01 I think currently your seeing a mix of things going on
1) is that there may be a few more people running couriers (thanks to that one person who braged about netting some 60 billion in what turned out to be duped minerals, now everyone is running contrats with there alt to see if they can get a jackpot) leaving nothing but crap contracts behind
2) is that Red Frog and a few others are probably getting first dibs on the high end contracts.
3) may simply be due to the reality that right now theres not that mutch demand for haul contracts.
4) some people may have been spooked by that guy braging about being a cargo pirate and are trying to haul more of there own.
5) more people may be AFK hauling there own with alts for whatever reason.
6) people may be upgrading to Freighters-Orca-Jumpfreighters* for hauling, so they are going after the high volum contracts and leaveing the small parcel buisness behind. or are at least trying to.
* yes, I ment JFs, theres a couple of routs that if you use a JF with a helper you can shave quite a bit of travel time on some runs
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Jun Pellion
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Posted - 2011.01.28 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas Edited by: Steve Thomas on 28/01/2011 07:54:31 Edited by: Steve Thomas on 28/01/2011 07:43:47 Edited by: Steve Thomas on 28/01/2011 07:38:01 I think currently your seeing a mix of things going on
This. Also, I think it suffers from the same issue as some t1 manufacturing... "I mine my minerals thus they're free".
The average I charge for a freighter run is 150k +50k per jump, 150k per additional stop. Anything below that is ignored. Anything above is premium service ;) Also, people should stop setting up multibillion collaterals. Get real if you want your stuff to be hauled.
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Caerfinon
Caldari Blue Republic
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Posted - 2011.01.28 11:15:00 -
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I run a small trade concern that relies heavily on courier contracts. Colateral is set between 2 and 2.5 times the value of the goods to me and the reward is set at a percentage of the total collateral that allows me to realize a decent profit on the goods.
People take up thes contracts willingly. If they stopped I would raise the percentage of the reward until they started taking them again. If the level of the reward made it so that the run wasn't profitable anymore, I would cease the shipments and move to another business, or haul the stuff myself.
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Jun Pellion
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Posted - 2011.01.28 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Caerfinon I run a small trade concern that relies heavily on courier contracts. Colateral is set between 2 and 2.5 times the value of the goods to me and the reward is set at a percentage of the total collateral that allows me to realize a decent profit on the goods.
Guideline I used when having others haul my stuff was set a collateral 10-15% higher than the amount of money I'd get selling the stuff. If they decide to keep the stuff, it's ok, I got an additional 15% markup on my sales, and don't have to bother selling it myself. And if it was supplies, then I'd have spared myself the production as well ;)
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Jurinak
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Posted - 2011.01.28 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jun Pellion
Also, people should stop setting up multibillion collaterals. Get real if you want your stuff to be hauled.
Why should they do? The contracts will be done so there is no reason to split your cargo and make many more contracts with smaller collaterals.
For me I usually put around 30% on the top of the value, if the hauler explode - fine - if they reach the destination - also good, i dont care
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Kamerly Shayiskhun
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Posted - 2011.01.28 22:57:00 -
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well, like I said my biggest issue is seeing contracts that are freighter size and over 8 to 10 jumps and the payout is like 1000 isk only! I just don't personally see why someone would be willing to haul that much for so little! I personally would not, so for now my freighter is just doing private contracts! I am not meaning they have to pay out millions per reward, but better then what some of them are now!
Take Examples I have seen:
Jita-Rens 256,000m3 Collateral 210 million Payout 1200.00 isk Misaba-Offugen 366,000m3 Collateral 1.4 billion Payout 10,000 isk
Sorry, but those are contracts I personally would not accept, but to the people who do, I have one question are ya really maxmizing your profit per hour even doing several of them at once with good freighter skills? I am just curious on that matter!
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Ave Volta
Red-Frog
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Posted - 2011.01.28 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99
Originally by: Idicious Lightbane Look at Red Frog Freight, they haul for a good deal over normal courier contract price but make a ton because people know them as reliable and fast and because of that use them regularly (they are my go to freight service). There is a way to do courier's with a decent profit, just have to build up a reputation
How often do they get decced? Just wondering.
Wardecs have a very little effect on our service.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.29 05:13:00 -
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More like none that I have ever noticed.
As for colateral Ive noticed on the few runs I make (because I was hauling a load one way and looked to see if I could put something in the otherwise empty cargo hold) I have noticed that theres too many contracts out there that has a 200+% colateral for random junk items that would cause most ganksquads to go OH HELL NO.
and frankly the 1Billion ISK colateral is all too often on items that will cause suicide ganks to go YESPLEASE!!!!! and set up there suicide gank chain to start Auto fireing smartbombs, often resulting in ship loss and the occasional auto podkill .end of line.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.29 05:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kamerly Shayiskhun Am I the only one who has noticed how low the payouts are on today's courier contracts are, I mean even ones that seem legit with a full load for a freighter, they giving payouts of 1k to 50k for up to 8 jumps or more, yet the collateral is just as high as normal! I mean as a freighter pilot or at least I would believe that most would not want to haul that for so little, considering how long it can take to get some places!
Am I the only or feels this way or do others agree?
ok Ipurged my blocked list and looked up the full list of contracts just now
one of them is by a known scammer wanabe who tries to make isk with Contract scams for as long as I have been around. in fact If I remember correctly he tried to make isk off of colateral defualt by Wardecing Red Frog. Aparently he did not know about jumpclones and npc corp freighter alts and how thoes can be used for pickup transfer and delivery.
as for the others, who knows. either they are trying to cheep out on stuff they dont need right away or they goofed.(1k not 1m for example)
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CarnegieSteel
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Posted - 2011.01.29 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: CarnegieSteel on 29/01/2011 08:04:04 Ill put my collateral at the price I am willing to sell my goods at. If the courier steals them, I dont care. He basically just bought it for whatever I was going to sell it for anyway. There is no need to put it at 2-3 times what the item is worth unless you are planning on SGing the courier. (Which can be really lucrative. Set a super high collateral, and just have some friends sit on the undock in gankships)
The reward depends on the route. For a high sec route between hubs, I usually price it at .75% of the collateral, and it is usually taken rather quickly. For something like a long route through nullsec (which I have never actually tried to get couriered) then it would probably be closer to 10% of the collateral.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.29 18:02:00 -
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thats why you never use the same person to accept the contract as does the delivery, and do the initial undock with an empty hull or a scout to see whos there.
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Revolution Rising
R I S E Industries Last-Light
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Posted - 2011.01.30 05:00:00 -
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Yeah totally agree, they've always been the same though. Generally I pay well for my couriering when I need it, I can't even understand people with freighter who take most of the contracts offered - I never would.
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