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Horak Thor
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:25:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:If Amarr Militia is completely collapsed I'd be quite happy using the income from a tier 5 matari store to fund a new attack on CVA providence (which is only 3 jumps from Kam and well within jump bridge range).
Just saying. If the empire slavers are dead there are plenty of nullsec slavers yet to bleed.
^ This With a t5 Lp store industrial base we will be UNSTOPPABLE TRIAD is recruiting "TRIAD Agency" in game channel |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
197
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:31:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Caldari in not going to shoot systems anymore, so soon there is no farming for gallente or minmatar. Thank you! I will happily play FW and cash out every month at Tier 3/4 with the meager LP I make while pvp'ing.
well you might understood it bit wrong, we let gallente to shoot ihubs with their alts.
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Dan Carter Murray
85
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:31:00 -
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Horak Thor wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:Horak Thor wrote:its been a lot of hard work for alot of us... My computer exploded as I read the part that I quoted. And you are?
oh hi
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San Severina
Hoplite Brigade
17
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:32:00 -
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Maudy I agree 100%, I went out for a solo roam the otherday & it was hard to find a system not full of alts who've all been in min fw for 3 days or less, what's worse is the smack talk in Militia chat. It's hurting my ears. Thanks CCP, CSM, ISK hungry PVE Farming alts & this stupid borked system, way to 'fix' fw. We have a nice bunch of people coming in now who love to bicker endlessly about this character or that character stealing LP & hatred mostly directed internally to fellow Militia members over ISK & farming & who has the right to farm it & general animosity & 'friendly fire' everywhere. Good job Hans and Co. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
415
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:33:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Caldari in not going to shoot systems anymore, so soon there is no farming for gallente or minmatar. Thank you! I will happily play FW and cash out every month at Tier 3/4 with the meager LP I make while pvp'ing. well you might understood it bit wrong, we let gallente to shoot ihubs with their alts. That was Happy Endings and their dread fleet. |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
326
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:49:00 -
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Wait, after this t5 cash out, i thought we were all switching to amarr alts to farm for a month before cashing out and switching back ...
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Dan Carter Murray
85
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Posted - 2012.08.19 23:50:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:troll The moment you allowed WBR to be your lead corp was the moment you started to failcascade. It took the Caldari two years to recover from WBR. It might take you guys two years as well. But at least you can start the rebuiding process now. /troll
wait just one second here...WBR was the lead corp?!?!?! |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
416
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Posted - 2012.08.20 00:31:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:X Gallentius wrote:troll The moment you allowed WBR to be your lead corp was the moment you started to failcascade. It took the Caldari two years to recover from WBR. It might take you guys two years as well. But at least you can start the rebuiding process now. /troll wait just one second here...WBR was the lead corp?!?!?!
no they helped no doubt, but lead? no. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
573
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Posted - 2012.08.20 01:00:00 -
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Vyktor Abyss wrote:RTSAvalanche wrote:Vyktor Abyss wrote:Not like I had respect for you anyway, but the theatrical forum foot stomping and waving arms round while bawling makes me respect you even less.
Grow up, FW is better than it was before the latest iteration (but still needs work) and you're just a tantrum throwing child because you cant sit on Auga station all day playing low risk instapop docking games anymore.
People like you make FW worse not better so please do leave and don't flatter yourself that your opinion of FW matters. There are many others I could name also falling into this category, but at least they're not starting crap threads everywhere unlike you.
Cheers. Oh ofcause you are completely correct, I see the error of our ways. Let us all join minmatar & see who can be the riches, who cares about pvp anyway right!!!?? =D But I am curious... you mention it still needs work? Can you please be more percific? Yes, FW pvp has stopped. FW is over, just look at the killboard evidence to back this up. No kills at all with no fleet fights either. None, Nada, Zero, Diddly-Squat..... except for the 208 ships killed, 15b damage done and 20 ships lost according to the amarr militia killboard this week (not including alliance kills/losses). And no, I won't be percific because you never asked nicely and used the magic word. I've already said pre-Inferno most of the changes I'd like to see - go search my post history (or dont) if you really care. PS - The alt formerly known as Damar : I still have nothing but pity for you as a human being. Your bitterness still clouds your view and judgement. You also belong in the FW 'would be better off without' category but I think you knew that. Sorry!
Why do you keep posting about your personal views of other forum posters? Do you think people care?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
573
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Posted - 2012.08.20 01:12:00 -
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As far as the op the only thing that is worse is the station lockouts. And yeah it is a stupid rule.
Other than that plexing has always been primarilly a pve game, that really hasn't changed. The big concern from the new crowd seems to be that the pvers don't have guns. It doesn't really matter if they fit guns to their pve ship or not. They are still gonna warp out they always did in the past.
The tier system added some strategies and fairly interesting dynamics that I don't think the playerbase has entirely sorted out yet.
And yes they increased the payouts for faction by 2-4xs. So it has attracted more people. More people in the same space equals more explosions. I'm not complaining. They will nerf fw in winter or in the summer though.
Minmatar will likely get all the systems. But we all know how they did it. The medal will not really be something to be proud of. The fight will continue on.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
573
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Posted - 2012.08.20 01:20:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:X Gallentius wrote:troll The moment you allowed WBR to be your lead corp was the moment you started to failcascade. It took the Caldari two years to recover from WBR. It might take you guys two years as well. But at least you can start the rebuiding process now. /troll wait just one second here...WBR was the lead corp?!?!?!
XG sometimes like to appear like he knows about the amarr minmatar front. But then he has to open his mouth.
Nothing agains WBR. They are almost certainly the reason we didn't lose all the systems at the very begining. Moreover they are the only amarr corp that could more or less singlhandedly hold a system like kamela due to their sheer power.
But they really kept to themselves and never really even attempted to lead the militia.
They also may have been the amarr corp that plexed the most ... for the minmatar. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
573
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Posted - 2012.08.20 01:28:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Muad 'dib wrote: its about the inferno changes eradicating fun pvp from low sec by gaying it up with sov lockouts and STUPID isk ratios for time spent on funking buttans!
I give you FW stats: Top corp for final blows in a week used to be 70-80. Now my corp is at 142 final blows for the week and is only No. 8. FUN PVP HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY. At least the type of pvp I like to do has increased. "Station games and killing noobs on station with fast locking Macherials" type of pvp has decreased by over an order of magnitude. how long will that last? my corp is top for pvp kills for years, and now more than ever, but guess what, fighting mwd frigs with no guns sucks. so have fun while it lasts you short sighted fool. It's lasted for almost four months. Will continue into the next expansion.
I guess if you want to be a cheerleader you can spin almost three months as "almost 4 months"
But I am hoping the pvp stays higher than it was before. CCP can still improve allot though. Plenty of nights with good pvp few and far between. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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StarConquer212
Tri-gun Lost Obsession
167
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Posted - 2012.08.20 02:13:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:X Gallentius wrote:troll The moment you allowed WBR to be your lead corp was the moment you started to failcascade. It took the Caldari two years to recover from WBR. It might take you guys two years as well. But at least you can start the rebuiding process now. /troll wait just one second here...WBR was the lead corp?!?!?! XG sometimes like to appear like he knows about the amarr minmatar front. But then he has to open his mouth. Nothing agains WBR. They are almost certainly the reason we didn't lose all the systems at the very begining. Moreover they are the only amarr corp that could more or less singlhandedly hold a system like kamela due to their sheer power. But they really kept to themselves and never really even attempted to lead the militia. They also may have been the amarr corp that plexed the most ... for the minmatar.
Well put, and pretty accurate.
Fate as a alliance is probably the Largest single capital/faction/pirate/T3 group in FW, but with that said, 90% of the time war zone control is not won by use of such assets, in fact most of the mechanics do not allow you to use such things to push this advantage. And as stated Fate had no interest in leading militia, and preferred to stay on our own coms and fleets.
And to be perfectly frank i share a lot of the frustration with my alliance m8's, to plex a system to have it all undone over night because of lack of time zone converge or not being able to get enough cruisers or destroyers to win the majority of plex's. Where manly old pirates, (which was made apparent as my corp right before FATE left amar FW shot any one and any thying including same milita on kamela undock, and probably continues to)
(best quote of Amar militia of the night) Noa Fuyu > and half of amarr militia are lost obsession who are shooting amarr milita lol
Am sure people will say we left and where terrible and they won. Fair enough, but hats off to you minmatar, you will no dought have complete war zone control in no time at all. I hope FW stays fun for you and you keep getting the fights that intrest you.
For all those we have fought with, and those that have left or plan to, Wish you all the best and keep proving to be solid pvpers and no matter what have fun.
-Star
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Hrett
Justified Chaos
162
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Posted - 2012.08.20 02:31:00 -
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So - I have never been to the Minnie/Amarr front. Is it more big fleets there? What is the main difference?
I just have no idea how you guys have less pvp. It has exploded on our side. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
195
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Posted - 2012.08.20 02:40:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:
not to mention the land grab bumrush before inferno.
You guys had more systems then the minnies just a week ago - minmatar took it all back with post inferno mechanics.
Otherwise, in general - I'm not a fan of station lockouts but it's been heaven over here for me: First a null sec alliance joined the amarr, and now pretty much all of amarr fw is coming caldari. There are people to shoot *everywhere. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1925
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:09:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:
how long will that last?
my corp is top for pvp kills for years, and now more than ever, but guess what, fighting mwd frigs with no guns sucks.
Whilst I sympathise with your cause, I still wonder what happened to Amarr milita.
If your corp is the top killing corp for years, I wonder why the top non-NPC corp according to Amarr miltia KB stats would still be Absinthe Brothers (Consortium), who are dead for 1-2 years (Yeah - according to the list, ARETR would come out on top, but absinthe are on that list twice and just had to reform at some point for whatever reason, so their kills need to be added up).
When I pulled my alt out about 2-3 years ago, minmatar was getting faceraped on a daily basis despite having the bigger numbers, so WTF happned? You know... morons. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
573
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:15:00 -
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Hrett wrote:So - I have never been to the Minnie/Amarr front. Is it more big fleets there? What is the main difference?
I just have no idea how you guys have less pvp. It has exploded on our side.
We were having more pvp than the caldari and gallente according to the fw statistics. At least for a while. However, due to the station lockouts the fighting was primarily all about who could outblob the other 1 jump from kourmonen. The other systems are pretty dead.
QCats came to feed on the null sec alliance in metro. That was a smart move but it was really a temporary thing that happned.
We will see what happens as more amarr leave. I'm pretty sure my corp is sticking around and will continue to fight. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
383
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:17:00 -
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1) It's really obnoxious when people say "GG gunless plexing alts, you win". Ninlarra might have the clap, but he had a good point. It was the fighting alliances of MinMil (UK, EM, FeO, Defiant, LNA) that won the plexing war. We were the people taking frontline systems, defensive plexing, busting bunkers and "fighting the sov fight". The gunless plexing alts made an impact, sure, but they were only doing what they were doing due to the actual Min's hard work. You can call us worthless PvErs, but the fact is we wont the sov war due to our own tenacity, foresight and dedication.
2) The Amarr, especially towards the end, had the capability to turn the warzone around. You had massive number advantages in the USTZ in which you could have made progress in the sov war. It would have been hard, maybe slow, but it was certainly possible.
3) You guys just didn't want to win. W-BR has made that clear, a lot of Amarr groups have made that clear. You were happy to lose because you didn't want to put in the work to win the sov war. And you know what, that's fine. You just have to recognize that it was your own unwillingness to invest in the new system that resulted in such a lopsided warzone and ultimately our victory.
Does the Farmville aspect of FW suck? Yes. Who the **** doesn't complain about that? No one likes gunless merlin farmers from nullsec profiting off our hard work. There are some easy fixes CCP can implement that would probably fix this, and I hope they are planning to do so in the upcoming patch.
Has Inferno been better or worse for FW? Inferno is without a doubt a step in the right direction and arguably one of the best things to happen to FW in years. People complaining about this fictional "no PVP, only farm" are a) delusional and b) clearly can't remember the months prior to Inferno where there was maybe 1 or 2 actual skirmishes a WEEK. Now there are countless skirmishes in each timezone EVERY DAY. Total kill counts for FW have skyrocketed, and even if you factor that some of those are gunless farming alts, you're still seeing an increase in PvP by an absolutely staggering amount.
tl;dr - Amarr cry a lot, FW needs fixing and no one disagrees, Inferno has been the best thing for FW since sliced bread. Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
573
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:25:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:
not to mention the land grab bumrush before inferno.
You guys had more systems then the minnies just a week ago - minmatar took it all back with post inferno mechanics..
After having to move all my stuff out of the faction war zone I will always be against moving stuff back into the war zone just to be saddled with defensive plexing to keep our stuff there. The actual plexing mechanics didn't really change its still best done by avoiding pvp.
chatgris wrote: Otherwise, in general - I'm not a fan of station lockouts but it's been heaven over here for me: First a null sec alliance joined the amarr, and now pretty much all of amarr fw is coming caldari. There are people to shoot *everywhere.
I agree that I have had an easier time getting fights after inferno.
But I wouldn't say that is true everywhere. Have you been in metro after nulli left? Actually amarr gets some wartargets with electus matari up there. (EU tz) But I am not sure who the minmatar up there are fighting regularly - probably pirates.
Anyway I am hoping minmatar will stick around and I will have wartargets. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Noa Fuyu
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:31:00 -
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Wow so much **** swinging and QQing on both sides. "Its all your fault," "Not its your fault" "You suck" "No you suck" lol. Yes we lost systems, when you guys made the final push into kourm+Kam, lost obsession started camping the station and killing militia making it hard to form any defence. Prior to that we had some bs drama llamas between gank bears, fweddit and Fwort. Then Gank Bears and Fweddit left which didnt help anyone.
We just had a bad run with corps leaving and people shooting each other. Things will come around again it just requires patience. Like all things in EVE people start leaving and then more people start leaving. Numbers go from bad to worse but thats just how it is. It will turn around eventually, people will be wanting to fight greater numbers and join Amarr and those who stuck around will keep on fighting.
Im sticking around and I will continue to fight along with my mates and anyone else in the milita that is willing. but it will require coordination and time. Agony, if they bother to stay around will have to communicate with us.
Im keeping a positive outlook on it all and am looking forward to fighting the usual group we engage with across the weeks. FW has been the most fun Ive had in EVE in a long time and it will take more than loosing a few systems for me to quit this. |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
418
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:49:00 -
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Cearain wrote:I guess if you want to be a cheerleader you can spin almost three months as "almost 4 months" But I am hoping the pvp stays higher than it was before. CCP can still improve allot though. Plenty of nights with good pvp few and far between. So you agree with me and not the Amarr guy. Fights are up, and will be for a while. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
573
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:50:00 -
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Vordak Kallager wrote:1) It's really obnoxious when people say "GG gunless plexing alts, you win". Ninlarra might have the clap, but he had a good point. It was the fighting alliances of MinMil (UK, EM, FeO, Defiant, LNA) that won the plexing war. We were the people taking frontline systems, defensive plexing, busting bunkers and "fighting the sov fight". The gunless plexing alts made an impact, sure, but they were only doing what they were doing due to the actual Min's hard work. You can call us worthless PvErs, but the fact is we wont the sov war due to our own tenacity, foresight and dedication. .
Are you denying that this war was "won" by t1 frigate farmers?
I wonder if ccp would publish some statistics on how many plexes were run in t1 frigates. What percent of plexes do you think it would be? What about just frigates including assault frigates? Some farmers have more skilled alts after all. What percent of majors do you think were run in battlecruisers? I mean if you are expecting a fight in a plex that allows battlecruisers and hacs you would likely want to be in a bc instead of a faction frigate right?
I'm thinking about 70% of plexes were run in frigates probably 70% of those frigates were t1 frigates.
Vordak Kallager wrote: 2) The Amarr, especially towards the end, had the capability to turn the warzone around. You had massive number advantages in the USTZ in which you could have made progress in the sov war. It would have been hard, maybe slow, but it was certainly possible.. .
I agree we could have hit tier 5. But a certain group in the amarr militia that happens to have allot of cap ships decided they wanted out before then. I do think nulli left due to pvp reasons. And congratulated the minmatar on that.
But anyway you act like the war is over. Even if you gain all the systems and some of the new guys move out that doesn't mean the war is over.
Vordak Kallager wrote: 3) You guys just didn't want to win. W-BR has made that clear, a lot of Amarr groups have made that clear. You were happy to lose because you didn't want to put in the work to win the sov war. And you know what, that's fine. You just have to recognize that it was your own unwillingness to invest in the new system that resulted in such a lopsided warzone and ultimately our victory..
I did want to win. I got an alt and started running plexes like crazy. But nulli pulled the plug.
Vordak Kallager wrote: Does the Farmville aspect of FW suck? Yes. Who the **** doesn't complain about that? No one likes gunless merlin farmers from nullsec profiting off our hard work. There are some easy fixes CCP can implement that would probably fix this, and I hope they are planning to do so in the upcoming patch.
Has Inferno been better or worse for FW? Inferno is without a doubt a step in the right direction and arguably one of the best things to happen to FW in years.
I agree with this.
Vordak Kallager wrote: People complaining about this fictional "no PVP, only farm" are a) delusional and b) clearly can't remember the months prior to Inferno where there was maybe 1 or 2 actual skirmishes a WEEK. Now there are countless skirmishes in each timezone EVERY DAY. Total kill counts for FW have skyrocketed, and even if you factor that some of those are gunless farming alts, you're still seeing an increase in PvP by an absolutely staggering amount.
tl;dr - Amarr cry a lot, FW needs fixing and no one disagrees, Inferno has been the best thing for FW since sliced bread.
Until inferno no changes have happened to fw since sliced bread. So we can also say inferno was the worst expansion since sliced bread.
But again I am not against all the changes. Mainly just the station lockouts. The problem is really what they left broken. Plexing being a pve activity is the big problem. It always has been a big problem.
Yes there has been an increase in pvp. They basically made it about 4xs as profitable to be in fw. This lead to more people and more activity. Put more people in the same space you will get more explosions. However the increase in pvp is not because any of the changes actually promote pvp. Its just that there is allot more isk to be made and therefore allot more involvement.
Anyway I agree with you ccp did allot of good things. They shouldn't change what they have already improved but they still need to work on other areas.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
573
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:52:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cearain wrote:I guess if you want to be a cheerleader you can spin almost three months as "almost 4 months" But I am hoping the pvp stays higher than it was before. CCP can still improve allot though. Plenty of nights with good pvp few and far between. So you agree with me and not the Amarr guy. Fights are up, and will be for a while.
I agree fights are up from before inferno. No doubt.
I think they will stay up for me at least until the minmatar collect thier medal. After that I really don't know. Do you think the fights will remain up in the minmatar amarr front? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
573
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:56:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:
how long will that last?
my corp is top for pvp kills for years, and now more than ever, but guess what, fighting mwd frigs with no guns sucks.
Whilst I sympathise with your cause, I still wonder what happened to Amarr milita. If your corp is the top killing corp for years, I wonder why the top non-NPC corp according to Amarr miltia KB stats would still be Absinthe Brothers (Consortium), who are dead for 1-2 years (Yeah - according to the list, ARETR would come out on top, but absinthe are on that list twice and just had to reform at some point for whatever reason, so their kills need to be added up). When I pulled my alt out about 2-3 years ago, minmatar was getting faceraped on a daily basis despite having the bigger numbers, so WTF happned?
I really loved that killboard but it is now not really used.
Plexes are great for getting pvp. But you still most effectively plex by avoiding pvp. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Johan Marberg
Gradient Electus Matari
8
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:56:00 -
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It's been dead quiet in my TZ in Metro since Nulli Left. Come back Nulli we miss you. We've flipped almost all the systems in Metro back apart from the Flose pocket which still needs to be done last I checked.
As regards the angst of the changes. The FW changes have been something I've loved. They have given people reasons to be out in space where they can 'interact meaningfully' with the other people in space. It's been great. And the Nulli Invasion? OMG haven't had so much fun in ages. And that station lock out thing that goes with the system control ... freakin awesome. Gives some meaning and consequences to system control. Having to pull my stuff back to a redoubt system was kind of fun. Doing system triage and making the call on what systems could be realistically held also fun. And having Taff and Helgatild being the two little pockets of blue in a sea of red was something to feel proud of. That and thwarting Nullis push to get to T5 and watching them cut and run after only getting to 4...priceless.
But yes there are some things to fix.
First thing is to stop paying LPs in systems that are already vulnerable. That would go a long way to stopping the farmers. Second tweak the tier payouts. T4 is a bit good and T5 is plain silly. Probably some other things that could be done. But those are the two big ones.
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RTSAvalanche
The Imperial Fedaykin
8
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Posted - 2012.08.20 04:14:00 -
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Ninlarra wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:amarr are now desperately low on pvpers and alts for farming are leaving us too.
No docking in systems not owned by your 'team', the isk fountains attracting alts galore to the 'winning' side have finally gripped so tight fw is now almost all about the isk, pvp is dead.
grats ccp, we all told you this would happen, i hope you are happy to ruin what was fun for a few thousand players, into incursion style isk farming blobs for a few thousand more. I hope your sov test worked ccp, because it came at a cost of totally stabbing fw fun in the face.
yes im still unhappy, no you still cant have my stuff and yes thats still because i cant get access to it.
QQ, sincerely muad pissy dib.
*sigh* I'm going to make this as focused and logical as possible. I know no matter what I type here you are going to cry like a ***** like you usually do but I firmly believe that at the end of the day common sense and logic prevails over the whines. CCP killed amarr/minnie fun you say? I present the following link: http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=4&y=2012Thats the month of april 2012 a total of 5373 ships killed and lost Inferno and the FW changes went into effect May 24th. The following link is the same killboard for the month of July (I didnt use the june KB as it is seriously skewed due to the goontard exploitation and therefore would not make an accurate arguement): http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=7&y=2012Month of July for a total of 15090. Thats over a 290% increase in pvp activity. We pvp damn near 300% MORE now than before the patch. What the **** are you talking about? Oh I know what you are talking about. Your corp is ****, anyone who was remotely good left, your booster alt got shat on and podded, you live in pos in auga like a space hillbilly living in a trailer, and your militia that smack so hard half the corps left in the last week. HTFU or leave.
You skipped over one of the major points which is how does the loosing side keep fighting when their isk dries up?
Minmatar are sololy after protecting their valued systems, which is understandable - but an often side effect is having literaly an enire fleet (most notebly Stabber fleets, blackbirds) to fight one or two people, in simple - alot of minmatar militia are not interested in pvp, but are just interested in protecting their systems |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.20 04:39:00 -
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RTSAvalanche wrote:Ninlarra wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:amarr are now desperately low on pvpers and alts for farming are leaving us too.
No docking in systems not owned by your 'team', the isk fountains attracting alts galore to the 'winning' side have finally gripped so tight fw is now almost all about the isk, pvp is dead.
grats ccp, we all told you this would happen, i hope you are happy to ruin what was fun for a few thousand players, into incursion style isk farming blobs for a few thousand more. I hope your sov test worked ccp, because it came at a cost of totally stabbing fw fun in the face.
yes im still unhappy, no you still cant have my stuff and yes thats still because i cant get access to it.
QQ, sincerely muad pissy dib.
*sigh* I'm going to make this as focused and logical as possible. I know no matter what I type here you are going to cry like a ***** like you usually do but I firmly believe that at the end of the day common sense and logic prevails over the whines. CCP killed amarr/minnie fun you say? I present the following link: http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=4&y=2012Thats the month of april 2012 a total of 5373 ships killed and lost Inferno and the FW changes went into effect May 24th. The following link is the same killboard for the month of July (I didnt use the june KB as it is seriously skewed due to the goontard exploitation and therefore would not make an accurate arguement): http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=7&y=2012Month of July for a total of 15090. Thats over a 290% increase in pvp activity. We pvp damn near 300% MORE now than before the patch. What the **** are you talking about? Oh I know what you are talking about. Your corp is ****, anyone who was remotely good left, your booster alt got shat on and podded, you live in pos in auga like a space hillbilly living in a trailer, and your militia that smack so hard half the corps left in the last week. HTFU or leave. You skipped over one of the major points which is how does the loosing side keep fighting when their isk dries up? Minmatar are sololy after protecting their valued systems, which is understandable - but an often side effect is having literaly an enire fleet (most notebly Stabber fleets, blackbirds) to fight one or two people, in simple - alot of minmatar militia are not interested in pvp, but are just interested in protecting their systems
I'm not going to get into the blobbing argument because it'll just be he said/she said, but yeah, the ISK-LP disparity in the two ends of the warzone control are terrible and there needs to be some way for the perpetually WZC 1 militia to mount a comeback. Shouldn't be easy, but at this point, it requires a nullsec group to even come close. That shouldn't be the case.
Sa souvraya niende misain ye. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.08.20 05:38:00 -
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Cearain wrote:I agree that I have had an easier time getting fights after inferno.
But I wouldn't say that is true everywhere. Have you been in metro after nulli left? Actually amarr gets some wartargets with electus matari up there. (EU tz) But I am not sure who the minmatar up there are fighting regularly - probably pirates.
Anyway I am hoping minmatar will stick around and I will have wartargets.
Well, did you get more fight sup there pre inferno?
I think that there's a lot to be fixed in fw - balancing the rats for one. Plexing mechanics. Maybe CCP could even make WZ control levels go from tier 3 to tier 5 so the losing faction has more resources to keep fighting.
But, unlike the OP, I think inferno has been a net positive for FW, not a net negative. |
Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
195
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Posted - 2012.08.20 05:41:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:MATAR VICTOR. OP SUCCESS. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. I wish i had ccp and hans on my team, not to mention the land grab bumrush before inferno. no, srsly, you did all by yourselves, grats etc wtb: game changing blob we did. http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.08.20 05:56:00 -
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RTSAvalanche wrote:You skipped over one of the major points which is how does the loosing side keep fighting when their isk dries up? The Amarr corps that left cashed out first..... So they definitely had the isk to continue to fight. |
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