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Ephemeron
BeerTia Maniacs
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Posted - 2011.02.02 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Ephemeron on 02/02/2011 00:54:52 the real solution will come when Local is nerfed. It is much more likely to happen than any such cloak fuel ideas.
At the root of the issue, you don't like that you see a face in local but nothing on scanner. If you see no face in local, and nothing on scanner, then you simply have no reason to complain about AFK cloakers. Right?
All problems with AFK cloakers go away when local chat is gone. Therefore, we should demand to nerf local sooner.
Quote: How then do you run your anomalies
This is a valid issue, and the proper fix is to change the way anomalies respawn, so they aren't effected by cloakers. I support the idea of fixing respawning.
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Ephemeron
BeerTia Maniacs
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Posted - 2011.02.02 01:30:00 -
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I lived in 0.0 for many years, most of my income comes from ratting in asteroid belts or doing 7-10/10 plexes
I have good understanding of what living in 0.0 means and therefore confident that no-local is the proper solution.
I am also aware of quite a few successful people who make lots of isk running C3 wormholes solo. There's no local in WH, yet they are still successful. In many ways it's similar to anomalies in 0.0
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2011.02.02 18:37:00 -
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Quote: The exact same argument applies to both sides of the problem.... at no time should your ship be 100% safe in space.
That's funny coming from someone who is afraid of AFK cloakers. You don't want the AFK cloaker to be 100% safe?
No.
It is you who want to be 100% safe from the AFK cloaker. You want to get safe every time there's a hostile in local, and you just can't play the game when there's somebody out there with the smallest chance of attacking you. Grow a pair.
Local should be nerfed, and people like you purged back to empire. No better than RMT botters, doing nothing but farming all day
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Ephemeron
BeerTia Maniacs
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Posted - 2011.02.03 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sem Nan I definatly agree to that. Like you've put it, and like i may have unsuccessfully tried to put it myself, the problem that i see is that AFK cloakers are able to create a disruption while being 100% safe. Even if it's a potential danger, it is still a danger. In EVE, there are NO other examples where someone is able to affect others while being completely safe. That is the way the game works.
While the cloaker is AFK, both he and his targets are 100% safe (assuming no other parties involved) - That's a fact.
When AFK cloaker starts playing again, he has to decloak and warp scramble his target, that puts him in danger. The guy he's scrambling can scramble him back attack. Either party can bring reinforcements, except the defender has more chance of having friends nearby than someone who just came back after hours of being AFK.
The point is either both parties are 100% safe, or both parties are in danger. There's no situation when 1 is 100% safe while other is in danger, that's impossible.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2011.02.03 21:46:00 -
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For those who complain about AFK cloakers, I have a question:
Would you also complain about AFK docked people - if there was a station in your system?
Is it wrong for people to stay docked and not play? should there be some game mechanic to automatically eject people from station every 30 minutes of inactivity?
You would think so, wouldn't you? if every system had a station.
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Ephemeron
BeerTia Maniacs
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Posted - 2011.02.03 23:08:00 -
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Quote: I also agree with the afk cloaker disapearing from Local. The moment he touches his keyboard, or moves his mouse, he appears again.
That's starting to sound too much like "lets do everything to improve our 0.0 botting"
god forbid the bot program can't tell when someone's hostile in system
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Ephemeron
BeerTia Maniacs
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Posted - 2011.02.04 19:06:00 -
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I have yet to see an answer to my question from 2 pages back:
Originally by: Ephemeron For those who complain about AFK cloakers, I have a question:
Would you also complain about AFK docked people - if there was a station in your system?
Is it wrong for people to stay docked and not play? should there be some game mechanic to automatically eject people from station every 30 minutes of inactivity?
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2011.02.04 21:33:00 -
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Quote: No i would not, since i would know where he is and be able to keep tabs on him.
How would you do that? you'd have to stay docked yourself in order to see who else is docked.
And if AFK guy forces you to sit in station, it's same thing as having AFK cloaker in space.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2011.02.04 23:04:00 -
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Sem Nan, the reason most people are attacking you because you represent cowardly behavior, which is a quality frowned upon in human society.
As far as pure game logic is concerned, there's no real problem. The problem is psychological, it is with the person, not the game.
It comes from erroneous belief that you can rely on local chat to be 100% safe in 0.0. Local was never meant for that, 0.0 was never meant to be that safe.
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Ephemeron
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Posted - 2011.02.04 23:45:00 -
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Quote: Still, i haven't been convinced that sitting cloaked in a system, for more than 30 days, 23 hours per day and making people 'adapt' to that situation while the cloaker himself cannot be activelly rooted out is fair play.
Sem, the real solution to your problem is to bait the cloaker. A Raven with 2 heavy neuts and warp disruptor will be enough. You can even fit a cyno on it and drop carriers on the cloaker. There are many ways to setup traps.
Every time the cloaker attacks, you can kill him, and after many failures, he will leave you alone.
On other hand, if the guy never actually attacks you, if he simply uses some alt char with low skills, you should figure it out and just ignore him completely. Dedicated a high skill char to staying AFK 23/7 costs a lot of wasted opportunity. He'd be hurting himself more than you, if there's never any attack.
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Ephemeron
BeerTia Maniacs
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Posted - 2011.02.05 00:15:00 -
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Quote: The Raven bait is also a good one, however personally i'd rather use a Scorpion to that end.
That sentence is evidence that you have near-zero real PvP experience.
Just a statement of fact, not an insult. People with good PvP experience generally don't complain about AFK cloakers.
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