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Paul Clancy
Korpu no Byakko Tower of Dark Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.25 07:53:00 -
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CCP Fozzie, please consider the option of hull repair role boni? In frigate size battles you're in hull fairly often. Also it hurts to repair incapped POS structures with slow battleship.
And, by same reasons, weak remote armor for strong shield healers? (and vice versa), so they will be field engineers ) |
Captain Robby
Kopasas SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.08.25 08:56:00 -
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great stuff and now a new role has opened for new players instead of having to brake down a long skill chain to get aka tec 2 cruiser logi :D |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
223
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Posted - 2012.08.25 09:45:00 -
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So much of this "Solo (offgridboosted) hero" bullshit in this thread crying that they wont be able to safely dispose of multiple enemies "alone" anymore.
Ill give you the advice you give to your victims .. Learn to play.
I love the introduction of frig sized logistics ! |
Zedrich Ederech
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.08.25 11:28:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: Since that dev blog was released the plans for frigates have changed. The Tristan is now planned as a drone boat and the Inquisitor as a logi frigate instead of missiles. Both of those races have no other tech one missile bonused ships, so the decision was made that a logistics frigate would serve them better.
I have a problem with this - the Tristan is already good at what it does, and what it does is being a fast speedtanking DPS frigate with decent tackling capabilities. It should really stay that way - unless you intend to add drone fielding capabilities while letting the hardpoint loadouts stay. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
26
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Posted - 2012.08.25 16:09:00 -
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Zedrich Ederech wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: Since that dev blog was released the plans for frigates have changed. The Tristan is now planned as a drone boat and the Inquisitor as a logi frigate instead of missiles. Both of those races have no other tech one missile bonused ships, so the decision was made that a logistics frigate would serve them better.
I have a problem with this - the Tristan is already good at what it does, and what it does is being a fast speedtanking DPS frigate with decent tackling capabilities. It should really stay that way - unless you intend to add drone fielding capabilities while letting the hardpoint loadouts stay.
Stop being bad. |
Deacon Abox
Genstar Inc Villore Accords
2
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Posted - 2012.08.26 02:24:00 -
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Paul Clancy wrote:CCP Fozzie, please consider the option of hull repair role boni? In frigate size battles you're in hull fairly often. Also it hurts to repair incapped POS structures with slow battleship.
And, by same reasons, weak remote armor for strong shield healers? (and vice versa), so they will be field engineers ) Not sure what you are saying in the second paragraph but I do like the suggestion in the first paragraph. Remote hull repping bonuses would give these ships something much needed and unique.
edit- Oh, and I think you have been lobbying for a drone centric Navitas. That would be a bad idea unless they do some serious work to fix the drone interface, game mechanics, and ai. |
Justin Cody
Tri-gun Lost Obsession
27
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Posted - 2012.08.26 21:46:00 -
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Fozzie has wakka wakka'd into mordor and delivered a slam dunk into the lava |
Justin Cody
Tri-gun Lost Obsession
27
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Posted - 2012.08.26 21:53:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Zedrich Ederech wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: Since that dev blog was released the plans for frigates have changed. The Tristan is now planned as a drone boat and the Inquisitor as a logi frigate instead of missiles. Both of those races have no other tech one missile bonused ships, so the decision was made that a logistics frigate would serve them better.
I have a problem with this - the Tristan is already good at what it does, and what it does is being a fast speedtanking DPS frigate with decent tackling capabilities. It should really stay that way - unless you intend to add drone fielding capabilities while letting the hardpoint loadouts stay. Stop being bad.
QFT |
Caldain Morrow
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.27 15:37:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Awesome! now please make a tech II version!
these ships are just too awesome for us vets not to have one and a tech II version is just pure sweet!
make the gal have a bonus to remote ECCM
make the caldari have a bonus to remote sensor boosters
make the ammar have a bonus ( well i dunno what counters target painting remotely?) you would need some new mod thats a remote senor shadow (reduces sig raduis of target ship)
then tracking link for minnie to counter tracking disrupters...
This! I'm all for an ECCM platform. |
Illectroculus Defined
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:26:00 -
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One of the oldest Eve videos published by CCP shows the new missiles that were being tested, they showed a Bantam launching missiles, it's somewhat disappointing that the bantam cannot launch missiles, so give the bantam some missile hardpoints. |
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GetSirrus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.28 02:23:00 -
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10/10/500 across all races.
It is reasonable to suggest a bit a mix with the ratios so that there is variety in the selection of races?
10% bonus to Remote Armor Repair amount 10% reduction in Remote Armor Repair cap use Role Bonus: 500% bonus to the range of Remote Armor Repairers
and the other armor or shield can have something like:
12% amount 15% cap 400% range
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.08.28 11:59:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Felter Echerie wrote:what happened with the navitas being a drone boat? :( The Tristan became a drone boat instead. Please, please, please, please, please reverse that decision. |
Rick Rymes
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:17:00 -
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Looks like many people stocked up on Navitas in the hope of it being a drone boat. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.08.28 12:57:00 -
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Rick Rymes wrote:Looks like many people stocked up on Navitas in the hope of it being a drone boat. Not in my case.
Ever since joining EVE I've wondered why my Gallente main didn't have a nice basic drone frigate. Now he's getting one but if I want to use it I have to somehow grit my teeth and fly the ugliest, stupidest-looking ship in the whole EVE universe. |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
186
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Posted - 2012.08.28 15:21:00 -
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Hello ladies and gentlemen
I feel logistic frigates won't be used a lot unless you have a very good reason and I feel these ships require the ability apply moderate damage while doing logistic work in a secondary way... Here is a few suggestions:
First I feel RR modules (shield transporters, remote armor repairers) favours the bigger modules at all tasks which kind of goes against the core philosophy of Eve and prevents small and medium modules being utilized properly.
Currently we have: Large T2 modules doing 384 hitpoins pr. 4,5 seconds at 8.400m (71,4km on a logistic w/ Lv5) Medium T2 modules doing 192 hitpoins pr. 4,5 seconds at 6.000m (51,0km on a logistic w/ Lv5) Small T2 modules doing 96 hitpoins pr. 4,5 seconds at 4.800m (40,8km on a logistic w/ Lv5)
But why not switch around ranges so that small RR modules can reach the interceptors at long range and the large RR modules have to be closer to the slower big ships requiring more assistance? I would suggest to double the range of medium RR modules and quadruple the range of small RR modules. In return I would cut the logistic range bonus in half to 75% pr level resulting in:
Large T2 modules doing 384 hitpoins pr. 4,5 seconds at 8.400m (39,9km on a logistic w/ Lv5) Medium T2 modules doing 192 hitpoins pr. 4,5 seconds at 12.000m (57,0km on a logistic w/ Lv5) Small T2 modules doing 96 hitpoins pr. 4,5 seconds at 19.200m (91,2km on a logistic w/ Lv5)
Secondly I feel logistic frigates will HAVE to merge the logi bonuses into 1 bonus and using the 2nd bonus to gives them some dps being able to do about 100 dps while remote repairing... If you don't give the ship the means to be used as a combat vessel doing at least some dps it will end like the Osprey has been for the last few years: A pos asset...
Pinky |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.08.28 15:25:00 -
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Pinky Denmark wrote:Hello ladies and gentlemen Secondly I feel logistic frigates will HAVE to merge the logi bonuses into 1 bonus and using the 2nd bonus to gives them some dps being able to do about 100 dps while remote repairing... If you don't give the ship the means to be used as a combat vessel doing at least some dps it will end like the Osprey has been for the last few years: A pos asset... Pinky
This would make logistic frigates completely overpowered. Every non-solo gang would then consist just out of logistic ships repping each other and doing the damage. Therefore a clear NO. Logistic frigates should not do any damage without gimping logistics power. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1670
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Posted - 2012.08.28 15:43:00 -
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If this is what Frigates get..... then I'm really looking forward to the capital revamp in a few years time.... |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2012.08.29 08:38:00 -
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Everything will have to be done carefully as always...
There are many parameters you can adjust to keep logi frigates fun without being OP:
- Reducing cap recharge making sure they have a limited action time
- Making sure logi frigates cannot lock up too many targets at once
- Keeping dps substantially below actual combat frigates
- Adjusting cap amount to give the desired time of action (no perma unless 100 gimped)
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Rick Rymes
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.08.29 09:55:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Rick Rymes wrote:Looks like many people stocked up on Navitas in the hope of it being a drone boat. Not in my case. Ever since joining EVE I've wondered why my Gallente main didn't have a nice basic drone frigate. Now he's getting one but if I want to use it I have to somehow grit my teeth and fly the ugliest, stupidest-looking ship in the whole EVE universe.
Come now, i think the Bantam looks a lot more ugly than the Tristan . But even tho the Navitas looks more pleasing to the eye, the Tristan has the history and look of a combat ship. Besides the sleek look of the Navitas will suit a logi, show a bit of love for the fat man |
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
108
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Posted - 2012.08.29 11:17:00 -
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I, for one, welcome our new dual gun single RR frigate gang overlords. Fear God and Thread Nought |
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.08.29 15:30:00 -
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Rick Rymes wrote:Come now, i think the Bantam looks a lot more ugly than the Tristan . But even tho the Navitas looks more pleasing to the eye, the Tristan has the history and look of a combat ship. Besides the sleek look of the Navitas will suit a logi, show a bit of love for the fat man The only thing wrong with the Bantam is that it looks more like a Minmatar ship than Caldari. Tristan looks nothing like a combat ship - hell, it doesn't even look like a ship. Looks more like one of those ridiculous mechwarrior things.
In any case, I would think sleek looks are more appropriate for a combat ship than a logi. |
J A Aloysiusz
Precision Strike Brigade Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2012.08.29 19:40:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Rick Rymes wrote:Come now, i think the Bantam looks a lot more ugly than the Tristan . But even tho the Navitas looks more pleasing to the eye, the Tristan has the history and look of a combat ship. Besides the sleek look of the Navitas will suit a logi, show a bit of love for the fat man The only thing wrong with the Bantam is that it looks more like a Minmatar ship than Caldari. Tristan looks nothing like a combat ship - hell, it doesn't even look like a ship. Looks more like one of those ridiculous mechwarrior things. In any case, I would think sleek looks are more appropriate for a combat ship than a logi.
Given this thread has degraded to bashing caldari's ugly ships, I think you really hit the nail on the head with this one. I love the idea of fairly inexperienced pilots being able to help veterans.
Since I'm a pessimist, I'll point out that this could strain the problems of high sec warfare... mass logistics means everyone has time to dock, therefore less BC/BS deaths. On the contrary, low speed, high sig frigates are easily gankable, even on station. I'm excited to see where this takes us. |
Ame Sonoda
Requiem of the Sinner
4
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Posted - 2012.08.29 21:37:00 -
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Thanks CCP, finally the last bastion of decent PvP in Eve is going to be **** up with the same EHP/lolgistics crap you see in every other form of combat. |
Rick Rymes
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.08.30 03:53:00 -
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J A Aloysiusz wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Rick Rymes wrote:Come now, i think the Bantam looks a lot more ugly than the Tristan . But even tho the Navitas looks more pleasing to the eye, the Tristan has the history and look of a combat ship. Besides the sleek look of the Navitas will suit a logi, show a bit of love for the fat man The only thing wrong with the Bantam is that it looks more like a Minmatar ship than Caldari. Tristan looks nothing like a combat ship - hell, it doesn't even look like a ship. Looks more like one of those ridiculous mechwarrior things. In any case, I would think sleek looks are more appropriate for a combat ship than a logi. Given this thread has degraded to bashing caldari's ugly ships, I think you really hit the nail on the head with this one. I love the idea of fairly inexperienced pilots being able to help veterans. Since I'm a pessimist, I'll point out that this could strain the problems of high sec warfare... mass logistics means everyone has time to dock, therefore less BC/BS deaths. On the contrary, low speed, high sig frigates are easily gankable, even on station. I'm excited to see where this takes us.
i do agree that BC/BS station games will get worse, i see it as a small price to pay for a richer target pool :) |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.08.30 14:25:00 -
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Rick Rymes wrote: i do agree that BC/BS station games will get worse, i see it as a small price to pay for a richer target pool :)
Station games cannot get worse when you can smartbomb the hell out of these frigs. No swarm of these frigates will be better than a standard T2 logi in most situations.
Damn, any destroyer or tracking cruiser/BC can slaughter these things like mosquitoes. How could they be a balance problem ? They are free killmails awaiting.
Though, in frigates gang, they will be as invaluable as quickly primiried. |
Rick Rymes
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.08.30 16:14:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Rick Rymes wrote: i do agree that BC/BS station games will get worse, i see it as a small price to pay for a richer target pool :)
Station games cannot get worse when you can smartbomb the hell out of these frigs. No swarm of these frigates will be better than a standard T2 logi in most situations. Damn, any destroyer or tracking cruiser/BC can slaughter these things like mosquitoes. How could they be a balance problem ? They are free killmails awaiting. Though, in frigates gang, they will be as invaluable as quickly primiried.
I did say the target pool would be richer, but a few of these could make a difference for a bc trying to de aggro.
But they will be balanced im sure, they are only frigs, as awesome as frigs are :) |
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
45
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Posted - 2012.09.01 14:40:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Not in my case. Ever since joining EVE I've wondered why my Gallente main didn't have a nice basic drone frigate. Now he's getting one but if I want to use it I have to somehow grit my teeth and fly the ugliest, stupidest-looking ship in the whole EVE universe.
Oraac Ensor wrote:The only thing wrong with the Bantam is that it looks more like a Minmatar ship than Caldari. Tristan looks nothing like a combat ship - hell, it doesn't even look like a ship. Looks more like one of those ridiculous mechwarrior things.
Sir, you are out of your mind. It might not be as sexy as the Maulus, but the Tristan is still one of the best looking frigates in the game. If not one of the best looking ships altogether.
It is a work of art. |
Mechael
Ouroboros Executor Collective
232
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:07:00 -
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Autonomous Monster wrote:Yo, Oraac Ensor, I'm really happy for you and I'mma let you finish, but the Tristan is the best looking frigate of all time!
Whether or not you win the game matters not. -áIt's if you bought it. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:49:00 -
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Autonomous Monster wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Not in my case. Ever since joining EVE I've wondered why my Gallente main didn't have a nice basic drone frigate. Now he's getting one but if I want to use it I have to somehow grit my teeth and fly the ugliest, stupidest-looking ship in the whole EVE universe. Oraac Ensor wrote:The only thing wrong with the Bantam is that it looks more like a Minmatar ship than Caldari. Tristan looks nothing like a combat ship - hell, it doesn't even look like a ship. Looks more like one of those ridiculous mechwarrior things. Sir, you are out of your mind. It might not be as sexy as the Maulus, but the Tristan is still one of the best looking frigates in the game. If not one of the best looking ships altogether. It is a work of art. Dunno whereabouts in the world you're situated, but here in the UK we have an outfit called Specsavers. I can thoroughly recommend them. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
204
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Posted - 2012.09.03 07:43:00 -
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I love this idea!
Though despite there being 4 logi frigates, there appears to be only 2 real types. Would be cool if the Inquisitor had mixed armor and capacitor bonuses, and the burst had one of the shield bonuses swapped out with a tracking link bonus. Like this:
Inquisitor: +10% remote armor repair and +10% capacitor transfer amount per level +500% bonus to range of remote armor repairers and capacitor transfers
Bantam: +10% shield transporter boost amount and -10% shield transporter capacitor cost per level +500% bonus to range of shield transporters
Navitas: +10% remote armor repair amount and -10% remote armor repair capacitor cost per level +500% bonus to range of remote armor repairers
Burst: +10% shield transporter boost amount and +5% tracking link effectiveness per level +500% bonus to range of shield transporters and tracking links -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
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