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Inconsistent Revelations
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Posted - 2011.02.04 16:11:00 -
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What are the advantages of trading in Jita vs next door in New Caldari or Marusi? I've been trying my had at market pvp lately, and the lag in Jita has really been quite annoying.
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Ultim8Evil
Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.02.04 16:19:00 -
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The main advantage for me when I was in empire was that you could just haul literally everything you had and dump it all to buy orders without losing too much profit. No messing around with sell orders, waiting for your goods to sell, enagaging in market PvP with other sellers, no need to train up trade skills as "everyone" docks in CNAP 4-4 etc. Just makes life easier for the lazy.
Obviously it causes you to fail at market PvP entirely, but when I was making billions selling loot and salvage, I didn't really care whether or not I was getting the absolute best price. Time is money.
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Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.02.04 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Inconsistent Revelations What are the advantages of trading in Jita vs next door in New Caldari or Marusi? I've been trying my had at market pvp lately, and the lag in Jita has really been quite annoying.
Over 1000 more customers at any given time?
Unless you are trading very high value low volume stuff, people just arent going to bother moving to neighbouring systems to save a few isk if they are stocking up. Similarly they can sell EVERYTHING in Jita so they arent going to bother moving to sell to your buy orders.
Jita is a self sustaining monster that is unlikely to ever die without some serious game changes.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.02.04 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Inconsistent Revelations What are the advantages of trading in Jita vs next door in New Caldari or Marusi? I've been trying my had at market pvp lately, and the lag in Jita has really been quite annoying.
go to amarr, price are pretty similar, some are even cheaper, and as it's near jita volume are still high while there's no lag. if you're not trading on some specifics items (like moon reactions, or sov structures for ex) you can play on amarr easily. ---------------- ** Wormhole Trading ** |
Flios Bror
Amarr Doom Guard
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Posted - 2011.02.04 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Inconsistent Revelations
I've been trying my had at market pvp lately, and the lag in Jita has really been quite annoying.
Train up your market-skills so you don't have to be in Jita itself to create/update trade-orders. [None] |
Ruareve
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Posted - 2011.02.04 17:15:00 -
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Volume mainly. Almost every item you can buy is for sale in Jita at some price. You'll also find more items with higher sell values then other systems. What I like to do is compare every item I want to buy between the region I'm in and jita, and then buy whichever is cheaper. Selling I just go to Jita as I can get it sold within the 3days I run for all my sell orders.
I think they could reduce the Jita monopoly by opening up direct trade routes between Jita, Rens, Amarr, and Dodixie. One for each empire. Having these four systems linked by one jump would eventuall cause the volume to spread out. People would take their items to whichever system is closer to sell and traders would be able to balance stock. The downside would be reduced chance for profit by transporting, but the advantages of four main market hubs would balance that out IMO.
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Marcanious
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Posted - 2011.02.04 18:33:00 -
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Opening up direct 1 jump routes between the main hubs would be the worst thing to do. CCP have already removed these sort of highways once from the game.
Having these routes would just encourage more to move into Jita and increase the lag tenfold
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TornSoul
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.04 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Marcanious
Having these routes would just encourage more to move into Jita and increase the lag tenfold
This - And is what created Jita in the first place.
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Inconsistent Revelations
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Posted - 2011.02.04 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Inconsistent Revelations on 04/02/2011 19:33:10 Edited by: Inconsistent Revelations on 04/02/2011 19:31:47 Thank you for all your replys,
I am currently sitting in New Caldari buying and selling things in Jita, My question is are there any real advantages to sitting in Jita vs a system next door?
The only thing I can think of is that you might find a contract in local to your liking.
Edit: Additionally would people be less likely to buy my stuff even if its the lowest price on the market if it's not in Jita?
I'm talking about systems just 1 or 2 jumps away like marusi.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.02.04 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Lederstrumpf on 04/02/2011 19:57:06
Originally by: Ruareve I think they could reduce the Jita monopoly by opening up direct trade routes between Jita, Rens, Amarr, and Dodixie. One for each empire. Having these four systems linked by one jump would eventuall cause the volume to spread out.
Nonsense. If costs to enter the major Jita trade hub would be reduced, even more people would trade in Jita. The reason for Rens and Amarr to still exist is that them being trade outposts located closer to some "rich" players in 0.0 than Jita.
And yeah, not to forget Jita local, where everybody knows your name!
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Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.04 21:08:00 -
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Jita is actually translated from Jovian to mean Volume.
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Ruareve
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Posted - 2011.02.04 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Marcanious Opening up direct 1 jump routes between the main hubs would be the worst thing to do. CCP have already removed these sort of highways once from the game.
Having these routes would just encourage more to move into Jita and increase the lag tenfold
The key factor would be adding some kind of carrot to get traders to move supplies out. Maybe some form of dynamic tax on buy/sell orders so that the higher the quantity of orders within a system the higher the tax goes. People trying to maximize profit would probably move around at that point as long as the moving didn't require much effort.
Otherwise I agree with you that adding in direct access to jita would probably result in more traders shifting to jita instead of the other way around.
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
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Posted - 2011.02.05 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ruareve
Originally by: Marcanious Opening up direct 1 jump routes between the main hubs would be the worst thing to do. CCP have already removed these sort of highways once from the game.
Having these routes would just encourage more to move into Jita and increase the lag tenfold
The key factor would be adding some kind of carrot to get traders to move supplies out. Maybe some form of dynamic tax on buy/sell orders so that the higher the quantity of orders within a system the higher the tax goes. People trying to maximize profit would probably move around at that point as long as the moving didn't require much effort.
Otherwise I agree with you that adding in direct access to jita would probably result in more traders shifting to jita instead of the other way around.
The biggest obstacles currently are 1) almost every activity other that trading happens at some inconvenient distance from Jita and 2) due to standing issues (mostly from FW participants in Gallente and Minmatar militias), some people can't go to Caldari space.
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Ave Volta
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Posted - 2011.02.05 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Inconsistent Revelations
Edit: Additionally would people be less likely to buy my stuff even if its the lowest price on the market if it's not in Jita?
I'm talking about systems just 1 or 2 jumps away like marusi.
Yes. Time is money. Know how and where your products fit into this equation and it will greately help your profitability.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.02.05 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Raid'En go to amarr, price are pretty similar, some are even cheaper, and as it's near jita volume are still high while there's no lag. if you're not trading on some specifics items (like moon reactions, or sov structures for ex) you can play on amarr easily.
Amarr fanatics trying to revise reality to fit their self-declared grandness... Jita trade volumes is larger than all the major hubs combined, so no... Amarr is not 'near Jita volume'.
Some people think 'lets just increase tax' or some other silly solution thinking they're solving a problem. It won't, it will just make shopping a pain in the ass and those who buy their ships and fittings don't actually care about the last few percentage.
The real trade volume in Jita is likely not the casual shoppers, but rather those who do arbitrage, investment and trade at other hubs. With dynamic taxes any place where the aforementioned happens would end up with insane tax levels turning that population of Jita in to wandering locust ruining systems for everyone. (Or more likely they'll just stick to Jita anyway)
In any case Jita is likely to move towards ever increasing focus on professional trading, which is why I've been suggesting making it a separate market region so that a proper trade hub can appear in the Forge region. Still not a problem ATM, but at 100k PCU? 150k PCU? Something will need to be done.
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