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Intruders
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Posted - 2003.07.01 13:20:00 -
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Ywev Minmatar m0o Corp Posted - 30/06/2003 19:27:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nootami Amarr InterStellar Security Patrol Posted - 30/06/2003 18:56:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Come to placid and try your luck with us
Exactly what system is that nootami? I am willing to try, with some of my fellows.
Pod ya later.. Ywev m0o Corp
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This guy is a moron (talking about this known pirate character) he admits he is just here to ruin this game for everybody, way to go you fellows who say Piracy gives a great addition to this game, being pirate does not give you immunity for being a real life moron, does it?
Now lets see if it pays up to be or appear like a moron in EVE.. hmm lets see, the guy leaves in a low end - third world country in which dollar or euro is God, he has been regularly aceesing Ebay and did transactions while playing other games recently before Eve was released and right after probably xdls or adsl service was introduced in his third world type of country, then he thought with other thirdworlders that would be cool to form up a corp and harass everyone that is dealing with stuff he can sell on Ebay for a good price, taking a simple look on www.ebay.com we can all see that EVE online autions really boomed immediatelly after EVE release, personally I havent seen any other MMOG raising Ebay auctions so fast as Eve did, and of course CCP is sitting right there doingnothing about it, althought it prommised that Ebay and EVE would be ano-no and accounts would be deleted if cought selling in game stuff to Ebay.
Now correct me if I am being paranoid and or wrong about all these, people.
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Wil Rufus
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Posted - 2003.07.01 13:22:00 -
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Gold Brick is yet another example of the sort of player who just likes to rip off other players hard work, but doesn't have the balls to become a real pirate and endure the negative rating.
I'm getting closer to setting off down the negative rating path because I'm getting so fed up of players like this, who either rip off miners cans, or pirate drop cans while you are still fighting.
I've locked and threatend in the past and got nothing both words full of abuse and insult. Next time I'll just shoot and say "sod it"
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Cortex Reaver
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Posted - 2003.07.01 14:20:00 -
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"Gold Brick. . ." That's a good name for a POS ore thief.
Stealing and/or destroying ore in high security systems is as cowardly as it gets. If you do it, YOU ARE SCUM. Period.
And if you destroy peoples' ore cans, you are griefing. At least the ore thieves get something of value out of it. Those who destroy ore cans gain nothing. They only harrass and annoy, therefore grief.
Of course, the worthless GM corp. does nothing about it.
/* Cortex Reaver crtxreavr at trioptimum dot com
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 */ |
Cortex Reaver
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Posted - 2003.07.01 14:22:00 -
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"Excuse me, you can defend your abandoned cargo -- declare war!"
Yeah, and four days later. . . you can do something about it.
-CR
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759 */ |
Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.07.01 14:42:00 -
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its simple you steal the jetted (not abondoned) cans from anyone our corp and we will all hunt you down and kill you... will one cargo of ore be worth the cost of a new ship/clone? I sure dont think so.
As for the security sector issue.. so what I have killed several ore theif's then when concord came got away.. got my ore back and carried on playing.. sure I have a sec hit but its gone with a little good hunting.
Edited by: Drefsab on 01/07/2003 14:44:20 "Death Before Dishonor" |
KillerQuokka
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Posted - 2003.07.01 14:54:00 -
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Or a LOT of VERY good hunting with the current sec level increases per kill..... :( ------------------------ "The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations." ------------------------ |
Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.07.01 14:59:00 -
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The average hit is about -0.5 that would take 5 days to work off with out hunting, sometimes when hunting for certain loot items I make about +0.3 a day so 2 days hunting or one day and two days mining and im back to where I started :) "Death Before Dishonor" |
Trent Icarus
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Posted - 2003.07.01 15:00:00 -
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DONT LEAVE YOUR VALUABLES FLOATING IN SPACE
how hard is that to understand? I wouldnt knowingly steal from some one but Im an honest guy.
Gold Brick is not a moron. He is a petty thief and should be delt with as such. Remember when you were a kid and left a cookie on your desk at school? And some bastard kid came around while you were taking a leak and ate your cookie. That probibly made you pretty mad. BUT you learned something: dont leave your vaulables out or some one will take them, even when you thought you are surrounded by "friends". I learned this when I was 6, whats the big deal?
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Bonepart
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Posted - 2003.07.01 15:39:00 -
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I don't understand someone who is mining in an Indy leaving cargo in space anyway. Thats asking to have it stolen. It takes so long to fill an indy what is a 5 minuite trip to the station?
I only leave cargo in space when I'm mining in my Vexor, and then I always have at least One Heavy Beam on to take care of the NPC's.
I figure that with the huge amounts of Ore I leave a Frigate can't take enough for me to care before I chase them off, an Indy is a Fat Target, and if another Cruiser wants it that is bigger than me, well, I guess they can have it (not that I would be happy about it, but thems the kicks)
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.07.01 15:52:00 -
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"DONT LEAVE YOUR VALUABLES FLOATING IN SPACE"
Real-world analogy:
I sit on a park bench. I put my grocery bag on the bench next to me.
Does that give someone a right to walk up and grab my bag?
No.
I can understand can*****s who go after cans that are left unattended. Unattended cans = fair game, even if the player is just making a quick trip back to the station.
What I take issue with are when some guy in an indy comes and steals from a can right under me, and I can't do a thing about it. After this last patch, I can't even webify him. If I shoot him, the cops will fry me.
I wouldn't mind can thieves if we had the ability to teach them a lesson. ---------------- Blue Screen of Death CEO Exodus Enterprises |
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Trent Icarus
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Posted - 2003.07.01 16:11:00 -
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"""DONT LEAVE YOUR VALUABLES FLOATING IN SPACE"
Real-world analogy:
I sit on a park bench. I put my grocery bag on the bench next to me.
Does that give someone a right to walk up and grab my bag? """"
NO. Someone doesnt have the right to grab your bag. The real question is, CAN some one? Yes some one can, doesnt make it right.
A better anology is a credit card number. I could post my CC number online, or leave a reciept behind in a bar. Why can some one just take that number and order up a ton of what ever? Typically you cant stop it as it is happening and you have little recourse when it does, BUT it is preventable.
Im not trying to start a big argument and I do see your point. Just dont leave your cannies about..
Edited by: Trent Icarus on 01/07/2003 16:11:45
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Drefsab
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Posted - 2003.07.01 16:27:00 -
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The idea is that several people mine with a cruiser now you can fill up a cruisers cargo in 60 seconds with a decent mining set up, so the cruiser jets the ore it mines into one can.. when there is an indi's load of ore they call for a corp indi that picks up and hauls it in. "Death Before Dishonor" |
Scrapyard Jack
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Posted - 2003.07.01 17:05:00 -
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"DONT LEAVE YOUR VALUABLES FLOATING IN SPACE"
"Real-world analogy:
I sit on a park bench. I put my grocery bag on the bench next to me.
Does that give someone a right to walk up and grab my bag?
No."
ehehehe! How 'bout if you drop that grocery bag in a nearby bin?
Spurious analogy, ehehehe!
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Aerick Dawn
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Posted - 2003.07.01 17:06:00 -
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If corps want ore stealers in their ranks, they deserve to get smoked too.. Its That Simple.
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Grand Negus
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Posted - 2003.07.01 17:19:00 -
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Wake up people, we theifs are not saying you shouldnt be able to try and stop us. In fact i WANT you to be able to shoot me, I want you to declare war, I want a bounty on my head. Thats how I want to play. All i'm saying is if your dumb enough to dump your cargo then im gonna take it :) Now there should be better methods for you to have some recourse if I do take the stuff.
Here's my take on cargo can theft.
"Let me attack the dang miner who is stealing ore from my asteroids! Thier mine I tell ya! Mine! I just havnt gotten around to taking them back to base yet!"
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.07.01 17:31:00 -
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"NO. Someone doesnt have the right to grab your bag. The real question is, CAN some one? Yes some one can, doesnt make it right. "
And I can run after him and grab him and hold him until the cops come. EVE equivalent: Webification. We can't do that anymore.
The problem is that EVE's criminal system is too black-and-white. In the real world, if you grab somoene (webify) at random, you are not justified and can go to jail. If you grab someone who steals your bag, you are allowed to do so.
A possible solution (other than improvements to secure containers) would be the following: Taking from a container is considered a misdemeanor. Just like in the real world, you can't physically attack someone because they stole from you. The cops can't shoot someone for the mere crime of theft. If you take from a container, the game marks you as having committed a misdemeanor for a half hour. Those who have misdemeanor "dings" against them can be webified and warp jammed but not fired upon.
As to using the ability to declare war as an excuse: Shut up please. While you may be in a player corp (allowing someone to declare war on you), the fact is that 90% of the can*****s out there are in NPC corps (specifically the starter corps), which you cannot declare war on.
Edited by: BSOD on 01/07/2003 17:33:09 ---------------- Blue Screen of Death CEO Exodus Enterprises |
Grand Negus
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Posted - 2003.07.01 17:41:00 -
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bsod
Someone stealing while in a newb npc corp...
I consider that just as bad as dumping hundreds of cargo cans with 1 ore in them to create lag
Here's my take on cargo can theft.
"Let me attack the dang miner who is stealing ore from my asteroids! Thier mine I tell ya! Mine! I just havnt gotten around to taking them back to base yet!"
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.07.01 18:17:00 -
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First off there is no secure trading in space so jettisoning a cargo IS the way ore transfer is done between the miner and the indy.
Here's my real life example:
Earlier in the day I had warned a fellow class m8 to stop picking on the 2nd graders.
Later during lunch he threw something at my lunch bag and knocked my crap all over the place.
I walked over and beat the tar out of him.
The teacher grabbed us both and upon hearing what happened let me go and put him into detention.
Essentially can stealing/destroying in empire space IS broken. People who do it are simply exploiting the fact CCP didn't have enough foresight to allow for defense of cans.
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Grand Negus
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Posted - 2003.07.01 18:23:00 -
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Hematic
Dude as stated in several other threads, there are no less then 8 listed was of dealing with this. Im sure there are more. I agree that it is not working as well as it could, but it is certianly not an exploit to form your own company and try to steal some free floating loot. I even attack people on occasion to get my sec rating low, however that stupid time thing keeps bumping me back up so if i dont log on for a couple of days im back at 0.0 Why should my sec rating go up for doing nothing?!? i dont get it.
Also who said trading should be secure?? Thats just another I want a free ride crap request.
Edited by: Grand Negus on 01/07/2003 18:24:36
Here's my take on cargo can theft.
"Let me attack the dang miner who is stealing ore from my asteroids! Thier mine I tell ya! Mine! I just havnt gotten around to taking them back to base yet!"
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Gold Brick
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Posted - 2003.07.01 20:01:00 -
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So Hematic, let me get this right -- you want to take me to your kindergarten teacher?
Bottom line is that the police reaction is known in advance and there are several ways for you to deal with those of us that innocently pick up abandoned ore. Try one of them instead of whining. Or go play SWG.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.07.01 21:22:00 -
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Sorry that you can't understand the analogy. But the concept was that we should be allowed to pummel you guys for doing it.
Has it happened to me? No never said it did either. As for whining I don't do that either.
I made my point. You want to call it whining because you don't agree that's fine.
I call starting this thread whining. Are you so insecure in your actions that you must start a topic trolling for agreement from like minded thieves?
As for carebear, is it not you who is the carebear here? You want to be able to do what you want to do without penalty. I call "securely" stealing an exploit.
As for xfers in space. We do these already in RL and they are ALWAYS done through docking procedures. Or did I miss something and we get people/supplies into the int. space station by jettisoning them into space?
So you choose to be an ass in game, that's who you are and what you'd like to be thought of. I have no problem with that. But please stop crying to these boards when someone calls you one in game because you're f'ng with them or whatever reason you felt the need to justify your position with this topic.
So take a double dose of stfu and when they add the ability to blow up thieves without a security hit then take two more, because by the sounds of it you're severly deficient.
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Torval Sontu
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Posted - 2003.07.01 21:28:00 -
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I would probaly do something along these lines with Gold Brick and his fellow ilk..
Edited by: Torval Sontu on 01/07/2003 21:29:24
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Jojin
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Posted - 2003.07.01 22:07:00 -
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If someone is stealing from your can, then blow them up. It is an option and it does have consequences, but so does everything else you do. The other alternative is to use the current system and place a bounty on the individualĘs head.
At a minimum what you can do, is pull up the information screen on the individual and adjust your rating towards them and do the same towards their corporation. Then in the future, you will get a notice if the offending individual or a member of their corporation in near. Secondly, if they do belong to a corporation, then look up the CEO and send them a message informing them of what happened. It may turn out the corporation doesnĘt want the stigma of having thieves and ejects the person or you may find out you should be weary of the entire corporation.
The least effective thing to do is come to the forums and complain about how you were a victim. Then again, maybe there should just be a Victims Support Group Channel to help those poor victims cope with life after undergoing such tragic affairs.
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Micky Wannop
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Posted - 2003.07.01 22:07:00 -
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sorry to be a pain in the but according to the game makers all is fair game . personally i dont go in for stealing its not my style, but not everyones the same . yes leave your cargo jettisoned in space but its gonna get pinched defend yourself and as in real life if u shot someone stealing form u the law is gonna come down on you like a tonne of bricks get over it defend your property but accept the punishment for defending saying that if your quick enough the law wont catch ya if u open fire.
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DalamarS
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Posted - 2003.07.01 23:19:00 -
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I agree they should be fair game, BUT, I should be able to protect them. If you were to put down a shopping bag next to you on the ground to get your wallet out, and I were to walk up and take the bag right in front of you you couldn't do anything about it in EVE. If I could scream "Hey CONCORD, this guy is stealing, please stop him" that would be different. In RL, the police would chase such a thief, but in EVE they stand there and do nothing because they are NPCs. If you try to take matters into your own hands the cops chase you down while the thief gets away. In RL they cops would probably chase you both. The current system is flawed. There is no penalty for stealing, and that is EXACTLY what it is. I know many have used the stasis fields to trap would be thieves, but I hear a rumor that it will soon be considered a hostile act by CONCORD as well. So now I cannot even STOP the thief running away with my stuff. I'm not destroying him, I'm trapping him. I can trap a thief and wait for the police to arrive in a RL situation, but not in EVE. If this is true, then it's stupid.
If you find a container floating in space, and there is nobody around, that's abandoned. If you take a shopping bag sitting next to someone, that is STEALING. CEO
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Gold Brick
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Posted - 2003.07.01 23:22:00 -
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Analogies to the real world mean nothing. All that matters is that the reaction of the police and Eve in general is known ahead of time. Knowing that your containers are considered abandoned should drive you behavior -- i.e. protect them or don't create them in the first place.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2003.07.01 23:50:00 -
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Well, in 0.0 sec space, you can blast thiefs all you want. And if the guy is in a corp, you can either talk to the corp and ask for the return of the ore, or you can declare war. Might not help you in every situation, but there are solutions in at least some cases.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2003.07.01 23:50:00 -
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Well, in 0.0 sec space, you can blast thiefs all you want. And if the guy is in a corp, you can either talk to the corp and ask for the return of the ore, or you can declare war. Might not help you in every situation, but there are solutions in at least some cases.
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Trystan
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Posted - 2003.07.02 05:20:00 -
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I've always thought that jettisoning cargo into these neat little cans that a) you didn't have to buy and bring and b) cost nothing to make seems a bit illogical. And then, the idea you can use them as conveniently as you would a set of shelves while being as far as 1.5 km away is equally odd.
So, how about this as an idea for a cargo can rework? Postulate that the current ability to manage the contents of a can depends on manipulating it with something like a tractor beam. To do this you need to target it, then open it. While it is open in this manner, no one else can open it, and you can add items, and take items out.
If you do not target it, you can still look at the contents, but you cannot grab individual items, nor can you add to the contents. I'm debating with myself whether you can scoop the entire can to cargo without targeting or not.
In the context of this thread, you would then have a non-lethal method of "protecting" as many cans as you can target. Hmm, only can target 1 object? Then I guess you have to stop mining for a while until they go away or friends stop by to help.
This idea makes it possible to have some countermeasures, but also puts some inconvenience on you too to strike a bit of balance.
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Impericus
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Posted - 2007.12.14 08:39:00 -
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agree completely!
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