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Mira Robinson
Arkons of Myth
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Posted - 2011.02.08 03:45:00 -
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Just what the title says.
I'd like to know how to come up with a sensible collateral for a low-risk hauling contract (highsec to highsec) that'll make my contract more appealing to potential haulers without putting myself at financial risk if the worst should happen.
Also, can I contract out a hauling run with multiple pickups and one drop location? Or do I have to make a separate contract for each pick up?
Thanks for any advice.
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Neyri
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Posted - 2011.02.08 03:58:00 -
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Setting your collateral is easy and depends not on where the contract runs through or how much is being hauled or anything like that. Instead, collateral should be set to slightly over what the market value of the goods being shipped is.
If the goods being shipped are worth say, 10mil, and the collateral is set to 5mil, then the courier will most likely fail the contract to make a quick buck.
I don't often use courier contracts, but often i find that the locations and rewards are the biggest factors behind how quickly a contract gets picked up. Going from say Dodixie to Jita would get picked up near instantly whereas shipping from two dead end systems that see little traffic aren't going to be picked up as quickly, and the rewards should be set accordingly.
Remember that most of the people shipping stuff happen to be going to that destination anyway and just want to fill up their cargo with courier contracts to make some money on the side. Collateral is rarely an issue unless the character doing the shipping is a new player.
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Mira Robinson
Arkons of Myth
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Posted - 2011.02.08 04:01:00 -
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Thanks. Anyone know about the multiple pickups? ----------------------------- Welcome to EVE. Ship happens. |
Neyri
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Posted - 2011.02.08 04:20:00 -
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From my understanding it isn't possible to set different pick ups in the same contract, I was under the impression that you had to set multiple contracts but I'm not too sure.
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Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.02.08 05:37:00 -
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yah, set collateral > market value of goods.
Had someone unexpectedly dump .5M units of LO on my buy orders the other day that I couldn't move myself. So I set couple short range courier contracts for a couple million in reward. They both got moved with the hour.
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Sistar2
Universal Railways
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Posted - 2011.02.08 06:45:00 -
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If you have cargo in odd places, talk to us in the "Universal Railways" chatroom. We're the only company that guarantees a pickup. -------------------- Join the "Universal Railways" chatroom for client support or the Signatures chatroom |
Ave Volta
Black Frog Logistics Red-Frog
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Posted - 2011.02.08 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sistar2 If you have cargo in odd places, talk to us in the "Universal Railways" chatroom. We're the only company that guarantees a pickup.
I seem to recall some other alliance that will pickup from any npc station in the universe but the name is escaping me.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.02.08 11:53:00 -
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A reasonable collateral is, generally > 1.5x market sell orders for public couriers. For reputable non-public couriers aka Red Frog etc. setting collaterals at or slightly above market value may work better.
Things to note :
* I've had public courier contracts fail when collateral are set around market value. Two possible reasons, there is no sense of urgency to complete the contracts as failing them don't pose much of an isk loss to the hauler. The second one is where players accept the contracts and skim through the items in the package to see if the collateral is substantially undervalued and fail them for profits - they save time by just failing outright those contracts that don't qualify with minimal isk loss.
* Your time also needs to be valued. If the courier fails, you need to be re-imbursed on the time wasted. This also includes the time spent on re-purchasing and/or supply disruptions to your manufacturing lines. For these scenarios, bumping the collateral 2x or even 3x is reasonable.
* Try to avoid setting collaterals > 1 bil for busy routes e.g Jita <-> Amarr, Jita <-> Dodixie. These routes are EVE's suicide gank alley. Generally speaking, minimize the risks for the freighters, the more likely your public courier contract will be picked up.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.08 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sturmwolke A reasonable collateral is, generally > 1.5x market sell orders for public couriers. For reputable non-public couriers aka Red Frog etc. setting collaterals at or slightly above market value may work better.
Things to note :
* I've had public courier contracts fail when collateral are set around market value. Two possible reasons, there is no sense of urgency to complete the contracts as failing them don't pose much of an isk loss to the hauler. The second one is where players accept the contracts and skim through the items in the package to see if the collateral is substantially undervalued and fail them for profits - they save time by just failing outright those contracts that don't qualify with minimal isk loss.
* Your time also needs to be valued. If the courier fails, you need to be re-imbursed on the time wasted. This also includes the time spent on re-purchasing and/or supply disruptions to your manufacturing lines. For these scenarios, bumping the collateral 2x or even 3x is reasonable. ...
that's a bit of overreacting. if someone fails courier contract at market value, they just saved you the effort of putting it on market.
imo, only reason to put collateral higher than market value is when stuff moved is not intended for sale, like fitted ships, resources for production or skillbooks to be used. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
Wyke Mossari
Gallente Staner Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.08 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Neyri Setting your collateral is easy ...
... the goods being shipped are worth say, 10mil,
What is the worth of the goods? The price you paid, The opportunity cost of replacement, The sale price,
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