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Unknown Operative
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Posted - 2011.02.08 14:55:00 -
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Theres a few things i hate about this game, but the one i hate the most is noobs which warp into your missions and start salvaging your wrecks. I wish CCP would sort something out about it such as classing wrecks and cans which you get from missions the same as they do with tractor beams, as if your not in the fleet, corp or alliance you cant salvage / loot the wrecks / cans.
Sorry if this this has been posted before, i looked but couldn't find specific posts.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.08 14:57:00 -
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Ninja salvaging is working as intended, and CCP have made this clear over and over again.
Consider using eve-search instead of the built in forum search, it works much better for finding specific threads.
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Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.02.08 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Horizonist Ninja salvaging is working as intended, and CCP have made this clear over and over again. Consider using eve-search instead of the built in forum search, it works much better for finding specific threads.
Neither Search worked for me. I can't even find my own threads with that piece of crap. -- As an Amarr Defector, I chose to become a Mercenary and Industrialist. I also have one goal in mind: Create a new age of peace and prosperity for all four empires. |
Unknown Operative
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:06:00 -
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The ninja salvaging maybe working fine, but IMO i think its worth changing, by making it so it cant happen.
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:12:00 -
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the Salvaging mechanics have been explained by the devs many many times. Their quotes have been posted in so many threads I am supprised you couldnt find one.
Please for the love of the forums, stop posting about salvaging! ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------ |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Unknown Operative The ninja salvaging maybe working fine, but IMO i think its worth changing, by making it so it cant happen.
Setting aside for a moment that it won't happenà
Why? Why should they change something that is working exactly as intended? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Unknown Operative
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:40:00 -
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Well i doubt that it will be removed, just felt like putting my opinion out there.
IMO it is a bad thing to have. A lot of people agree, A lot of people disagree.
I just don't like the fact that I've lost so much from noobs salvaging my missions, and the time i put into completing a mission, and then having noobs come along and rob me its annoying. I can see the reasons why they would not remove it, but all I'm giving is my opinion thats all
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.08 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Unknown Operative I just don't like the fact that I've lost so much from noobs salvaging my missions, and the time i put into completing a mission, and then having noobs come along and rob me its annoying.
That's just it: they're not robbing you. The salvage isn't yours. The time you put into completing the mission is already being compensated, and if you want the additional income salvage represents, you have to earn it in competition with other interested parties. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Unknown Operative
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Posted - 2011.02.08 18:12:00 -
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Quote: That's just it: they're not robbing you. The salvage isn't yours.
Well as far as I'm concerned, Its my mission, i put the time in to kill the ships and the wrecks are in my corp/alliances name. Therefore the wrecks and the salvage from them belong to us. Therefore they are robbing us. IMO!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.08 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Unknown Operative Well as far as I'm concerned, Its my mission, i put the time in to kill the ships and the wrecks are in my corp/alliances name.
The time you put in killing the ships is being compensated by the ISK rewards, time bonus, LP, bounties, and standings. You also get ownership right to the loot, which is why the wrecks have your name on them: they contain a loot container that is yours.
Salvage is not part of the mission rewards. It's something extra and thus won't be handed to you for free. You have to earn it. If you can't ù if you're too slow or just can't be bothered ù it will belong to someone who can be bothered and who is fast enough. They earned it, so it's theirs.
That's CCP's opinion. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Unknown Operative
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Posted - 2011.02.08 18:34:00 -
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You make a valid point but its not an opinion i agree to
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De Guantanamo
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Posted - 2011.02.08 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Unknown Operative You make a valid point but its not an opinion i agree to
Then leave the game or stop whining.
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Unknown Operative
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Posted - 2011.02.08 18:50:00 -
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Quote: Then leave the game or stop whining.
Calm down champ, your miss-interpreting the topic, I'm not whining about it, i was simply giving my opinion on it, as this is the Features and Ideas Discussion section.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.08 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Unknown Operative
Quote: Then leave the game or stop whining.
Calm down champ, your miss-interpreting the topic, I'm not whining about it, i was simply giving my opinion on it, as this is the Features and Ideas Discussion section.
I know you mean well, but saying that you want something because you feel it should be that way is not likely to get very positive response. You need to look at the game as a whole - is there an actual problem? An unfilled niche? Something too unbalanced? Something too nerfed? What do you propose to change it?
In this case, the case is clear - ninja salvaging (which I despise myself, for the record) is clearly not seen by CCP as a broken mechanic. They intended it to work exactly as it is (the wrecks are not yours), and it does. You will just have to accept it and move on. Or bring a Noctis.
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Unknown Operative
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Posted - 2011.02.08 19:03:00 -
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Yea :), i know, its not a broken mechanic, and i know CCP made it to work exactly like this, and it doesn't always happen, most the time i can finish the mission and quickly salvage it in the noctis, but sometimes, i get a group of ninjas taking my salvage, and personally, i suppose it might be a fun way to make isk, alot of people do like stealing other peoples things in games, i like doing it on other games aswell. Even though i am against it on this game, i understand where CCP is coming from.
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2011.02.08 19:04:00 -
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Before you loose your missioning ship, a few tips.
1. Move out of hubs 2. Fly T3 and use unprobable configuration or train for marauder or have a buddy fly behind you with a Noctis 3. Set DScan to 750,000,000 360 degrees and set up the overview to show probes while removing wrecks, POS structures, and moons (use an alternate tab, but set the Dscan to use overview settings.) Get in the habit of clicking it once every 60 seconds, if you see 4 Combat Probes or Cyrillic characters, set the distance to 450,000,000, click again, if you see 4 again you have a ninja incomming. Right click, abandoned all wrecks, everything turns blue (no aggro towards you), and destroy the largest wrecks as they have the best salvage. Never ***** about it in local, convos, mails, or on the forums. DO NOT EVER OPEN FIRE ON SOMEONE THAT IS RED!!! if you have no wardec, in highsec, and know you cannot take them. If you think you can, go for it but the guy probably has back up incomming. 4. ??? 5. PROFIT! There are ways to take advantage of your skills, ways to avoid confrontation, and ways to **** of and/or deny the ninja. Just accept the fact that you cannot have everything all the time and by ignoring the ninjas while destroying the wrecks you are still getting ahead with the bounty, LP, faction standing, while they really wasted the time to scan you out.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.02.08 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: NinjaSpud on 08/02/2011 19:07:53
Originally by: Unknown Operative Theres a few things i hate about this game, but the one i hate the most is noobs which warp into your missions and start salvaging your wrecks. I wish CCP would sort something out about it such as classing wrecks and cans which you get from missions the same as they do with tractor beams, as if your not in the fleet, corp or alliance you cant salvage / loot the wrecks / cans.
Sorry if this this has been posted before, i looked but couldn't find specific posts.
Fist, I'm no NOOB, and I ninja slavage. You're just ****ed cause it's happened to u! I make a good living salvaging...and I have a bountie on my head because of people like you.. Big deal!
Cheating others out of their stuff is a part of eve, and real life. it happens.
PS. I love posts like this...the salvage is nice...but the tears sustain me
Sorry for the Troll YAARRRGGG EDIT:
Originally by: Unknown Operative
Calm down champ, your miss-interpreting the topic, I'm not whining about it, i was simply giving my opinion on it, as this is the Features and Ideas Discussion section.
at least your being kewl about it...but i still disagree lol. its too fun
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Unknown Operative
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Posted - 2011.02.08 19:12:00 -
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Quote:
Fist, I'm no NOOB, and I ninja slavage. You're just ****ed cause it's happened to u! I make a good living salvaging...and I have a bountie on my head because of people like you.. Big deal! Cheating others out of their stuff is a part of eve, and real life. it happens. PS. I love posts like this...the salvage is nice...but the tears sustain me Sorry for the Troll YAARRRGGG
Hehe, good for you :)
p.s those tips are useful although personally thats to much effort on my behalf, i prefer just afking on missions.
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Unknown Operative
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Posted - 2011.02.08 19:16:00 -
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despite, whats been said in this post, i must say though EVE is such a great community game, and hopefully even more so if Dust 514 is released and works well. I love just coming home from work, warping to a mish, going afk whilst my drones kill everything, and the whole corporation customization. I just wish more of my friends were as interested in this game as me ^^
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.08 19:25:00 -
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As mentioned above, be one of the players that is willing and able to think around a problem in the game. I used the directional scanner when running missions in Fricoure last year and managed to avoid a couple of ninjas dropping in on me by warping out before they could get a fix then waiting a while and warping back in to complete the mission and salvage it myself.
The other great benefit of using this is that you get used to using the d-scan which will help you in low and null sec or during a war dec. A little situational awareness can be of great benefit in this game, trust me. You can avoid being ninja'd with a little effort and to be honest, the chance to avoid being probed down in my mission made it more interesting, even added a bit of spice to the time I spent sat in my domi watching my drones kill npcs. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people! |
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Unknown Operative
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Posted - 2011.02.08 19:28:00 -
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You have a good point there, about it being useful in low or null, maybe i will start using it. :)
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.08 19:32:00 -
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The other benefit is once you've used it and found it works, generally, you'll see one of these posts about ninja salvagers and you'll think 'if only he thought about the problem and came up with a solution instead of saying the same thing as so many others have'. You'll offer some advice and they may take it, they may not but you know you haven't sat and steamed about it like some do, you just got on and enjoyed the game.
It's not rocket science ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people! |
AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.02.08 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Unknown Operative I love just coming home from work, warping to a mish, going afk whilst my drones kill everything, and the whole corporation customization. I just wish more of my friends were as interested in this game as me
Either my troll-detecting device has failed, or your post derives from a frame of mind which is anti-MMORG. Benefit of the doubt below...
a) If you strongly believe this game mechanic is unbalanced - approach the CSM delegates and try to get it looked into during their next meeting. b) Salvaging is (currently) skill based and partially luck-based. As no two pilots have the same skills or luck, you can not be given rights over something which does not exist (on the server) until the dice has been rolled based on the skills and luck you have versus another player. You need to seriously think about this. Re-read what I wrote and read it again. c) Salvaging was never, ever, supposed to have the same mechanics as loot rights - and I see no reason why it should based on (b). d) EVE is not a single player game, there are many many ways you can 'protect' your salvageable components, your choice to exploit these benefits is your decision and the other players who are exploiting the fact that you're not exploiting your decision should not impair their decision to exploit yours under the current game mechanics. e) You should never, ever go 'afk' whilst undocked - any consequences resulting from this decision are yours to bare and suggesting a change in game mechanics because you wish to do this are, quite frankly, anti-MMORG.
As this is the features and ideas forum - let me throw an idea your way:
If you cannot monitor your missions and keep losing Salvage to 'repeat offenders' - cut them a deal, talk to them, let them know when you're running a mission and see if you can negotiate 50%. They will not have to scan a mission down and go through the agro - maybe this would be appealing to them? If you do this, yes, you are guaranteed to lose 50% of Salvage, but if the people doing are running through and getting the Salvage ahead of the 'competition' (who are trying hard to scan down a mission) then at least you'll get 50%.
50% of something is better than 100% of nothing. Who knows, maybe they have better skill and more luck than you anyway...
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Unknown Operative
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Posted - 2011.02.08 20:02:00 -
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Quote: Either my troll-detecting device has failed, or your post derives from a frame of mind which is anti-MMORG.
Not sure what you mean, i wasn't trolling nor being anti-MMORPG. the text your quoted me was me saying what i love about this game.
As for your points, i wasn't saying that it should be changed because i go afk etc etc, i was simple giving my opinion to a greatly increasing topic.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.02.08 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Serge Bastana As mentioned above, be one of the players that is willing and able to think around a problem in the game. I used the directional scanner when running missions in Fricoure last year and managed to avoid a couple of ninjas dropping in on me by warping out before they could get a fix then waiting a while and warping back in to complete the mission and salvage it myself.
no...nOOO NOOOO NOOOO...DONT LISTEN TO HIM...KEEP MISSIONING....keep giving me your salvage!!
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Khamiz
Catholic School for Boys
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Posted - 2011.02.08 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Unknown Operative
c) Salvaging was never, ever, supposed to have the same mechanics as loot rights - and I see no reason why it should based on (b).
Although CCP made their point pretty clear about salvaging, it is still pretty annoying to deal with ninja-salvagers. Always feels like stealing a car is a crime, but tearing down the garage around it and taking home the bricks isn't. Or shoot some deer - the flesh is yours, the fur is ffa for anyone. In my p.o.v., there is no real sense why you own a gun from a ship you blew up, yet not the ship it was bolted to. After all, it tells you you can't tractor a yellow wreck because you don't own it ...
Tbh, I believe it's just a pain in the lower backside to change the code to make ninja-salvaging trigger a flag, and CCP prefers to spend the time on essential gameplay-improvements like a character-creator ..........
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Unknown Operative
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Posted - 2011.02.08 23:02:00 -
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You also have a good point, but as people have said, i don't think ccp will rush to change such things.
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.08 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: NinjaSpud
Originally by: Serge Bastana As mentioned above, be one of the players that is willing and able to think around a problem in the game. I used the directional scanner when running missions in Fricoure last year and managed to avoid a couple of ninjas dropping in on me by warping out before they could get a fix then waiting a while and warping back in to complete the mission and salvage it myself.
no...nOOO NOOOO NOOOO...DONT LISTEN TO HIM...KEEP MISSIONING....keep giving me your salvage!!
Just as you're making his life more interesting during missions, so he is now making your life more interesting ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people! |
Ronald Raygunn
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Posted - 2011.02.09 05:39:00 -
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I've been on both sides of the equation, missioner and ninja salvager. Meh, half dozen of one, six of another. You are going to win some and you are going to lose some. My advice to you is to just chalk it up and keep going. Definitely go for the Tech 3 ships, cause since I got into one, I haven't been scanned down. It's alot easier as a ninja salvager to scan down a battleship chassis than a cruiser chassis, though certainly not impossible if you know what you are doing. honestly, train up the skills and try it yourself sometime. You may not be into tears, but sounds like you are into iskies.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.02.09 05:58:00 -
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Per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal "Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
Per CCP Incognito : Originally by: CCP Incognito Had a chat with some designers this evening. Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private. They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.
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