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Alvaliel
La-Resistance
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Posted - 2011.02.13 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Takka Ri As someone who also mines when needed...hulkageddon does not bother me. I even find it entertaining. Last time I was in an ice belt and saw no less than 5 get popped at once...I almost fell outta my chair...
Ways (not guarantees...) to avoid being "geddon'd"...
1) Stay off the warp in. 2) Be aligned out as best as possible. 3) Fit for tank 4) Setup your ship scanner for short range (so you can see when a potential ganker is inbound) and watch your overview.
... and probably the most important...
5) Don't group up.
Suicide ganking is about cost vs reward. A lone Hulk/Mack is probably not worth the gank (unless the ganker is a sadistic bastard ) while 3 or 4 grouped together nicely in smart bomb range most definately are.
Also, save up enough ISK for quick replacement. For as with everything else in Eve, if you fly it long enough, you will eventually lose it.
I'm not having a go here, I just want to try to correct the mis-information that's out there for tactics like these - they will simply not work during the event and will get you & your Hulk killed.
The ship of choice for gankers will be a destroyer - 4 of these, T1 fitted, will take out ANY Hulk, ubertanked or not - they'll scout with an noob alt beforehand (or a cloaked older alt) and after the gank, that same alt will swoop in to pick up the dropped miner loot which will more than cover the cost of the destroyers & fittings.
You will not see it coming, you will not have enough time to react (destroyers lock a hulk in 2 seconds without any sensor boosters), their alt will drop them right on top of you.
The only tactic that will work is to not undock in a mining or industrial ship - it's as simple as that.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.02.13 15:59:00 -
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OP fails from the beginning. There ARE player run tournaments, just on a much smaller scale than the ones by CCP.
Not only tournies of death, but also races and I've seen one mining tournament (that was a weird one).
The only reason Death to Hulks is so popular is because players have made it such.
Quote: In short, Hulkageddon is a waste of energy and time, it is completely unproductive, it is a Festival of Idiots, too stupid for EVE Online, proof that Individually Eve players are nerds but collectively they are morons.
Totally wrong. I plan to be very productive during this, with my salvage dessie, collecting the remains of both gankers and gankies.
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Takka Ri
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Posted - 2011.02.13 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Alvaliel
Originally by: Takka Ri As someone who also mines when needed...hulkageddon does not bother me. I even find it entertaining. Last time I was in an ice belt and saw no less than 5 get popped at once...I almost fell outta my chair...
Ways (not guarantees...) to avoid being "geddon'd"...
1) Stay off the warp in. 2) Be aligned out as best as possible. 3) Fit for tank 4) Setup your ship scanner for short range (so you can see when a potential ganker is inbound) and watch your overview.
... and probably the most important...
5) Don't group up.
Suicide ganking is about cost vs reward. A lone Hulk/Mack is probably not worth the gank (unless the ganker is a sadistic bastard ) while 3 or 4 grouped together nicely in smart bomb range most definately are.
Also, save up enough ISK for quick replacement. For as with everything else in Eve, if you fly it long enough, you will eventually lose it.
I'm not having a go here, I just want to try to correct the mis-information that's out there for tactics like these - they will simply not work during the event and will get you & your Hulk killed.
The ship of choice for gankers will be a destroyer - 4 of these, T1 fitted, will take out ANY Hulk, ubertanked or not - they'll scout with an noob alt beforehand (or a cloaked older alt) and after the gank, that same alt will swoop in to pick up the dropped miner loot which will more than cover the cost of the destroyers & fittings.
You will not see it coming, you will not have enough time to react (destroyers lock a hulk in 2 seconds without any sensor boosters), their alt will drop them right on top of you.
The only tactic that will work is to not undock in a mining or industrial ship - it's as simple as that.
They'll work just fine...as long as you're not AFK...
Rule 4. If I'm mining and I see anyone appraoch, I'm aligning out just in case they are the warp-in or a suicide point. If I see non-indy's inbound, I warp off before/as they land before they can aggress (as I'm already aligned out and at speed).
Nothing is ever gauranteed, these are "tools" that put the odds in your favor. Warping off for a "false alarm" is better than losing a 100+ ISK ship... |
Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.02.13 16:06:00 -
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Also, use dscan. If you are aligned and not moving, and you detect a t1 dessie on dscan and warp, you will usually warp before they can lock you.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2011.02.13 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard The only reason Death to Hulks is so popular is because players have made it such.
Miners are plentiful and pretty much defenceless. That makes it easy for people to take part, and hence the event becomes popular.
So it's more about the qualities of mining vessels and hisec mechanics than it is the players doing the ganking.
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Simetraz
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Posted - 2011.02.13 16:43:00 -
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It is pretty lame and pretty much a gutless way to go about things.
The solution for me was just simply to go back to 0.0 and mine there. Then at least you know when a hostile is in the area. There is a long list of people that will happily pod the person if you don't feel like doing it yourself.
Instead you are stuck with anybody who shows up in a high-sec system could potentially pop your hulk and there is no solution short of docking up. You could find a quiet section of high-sec, they still exist then @ least you know who the locals are and can act a little more accordingly. That or just take a break till the whole thing is over. or switch to, well missions, till the whole thing is over. or scan out sites and do them. or spend time doing some PI for some quick ISK. or or I am sure I am missing something.
Either way, let the 2 year olds have there fun and move on. Think of it this way, they tell you when it is going to happen so you have warning. Either way your going to have to adapt a little, not much just a little, and if you can't do that well.....
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Shander Maxum
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Posted - 2011.02.13 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: XXSketchxx Go mine on the test server
^^^^ Best comment yet !
Want to duel instead of hunting or mining without risk , thats the place
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.02.13 17:03:00 -
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Festival of Idiots love it.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive. |
Kale Eledar
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Posted - 2011.02.13 17:49:00 -
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I am a decent miner, and the idea of hulkageddon used to bother me quite a bit. However, I'm warming up to the idea. Luckily, attacking a defenseless player in highsec is usually suicidal, but that is inconsequential to suicide gankers. It is not the ganking that bothers me...it is the insurance payouts given to the gankers. What bothers me the most, however, is that nobody wants to use their mains with regular security standings...they just create an alt to take the standings hits. Unfortunately, this is no different than me creating a pirate alt character...but at least have the spine to take the standings hit CCP thinks your character deserves. There aren't really any bragging rights if you skill up some toon for a week because you're afraid to use your main and suffer the consequences. I will just fly safe during Hulkageddon, gank away...but consider my thoughts
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.02.13 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Eledar What bothers me the most, however, is that nobody wants to use their mains with regular security standings...
NUMBER ONE MISCONCEPTION OF THE YEAR.
Go look at the hulkageddon 3 page and see what kind of players and corps won the prizes, then look them up ingame.
Then, stop being a sheep and understand.
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Neoexecutor
Minmatar Skynet Technologies
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Posted - 2011.02.13 19:24:00 -
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I somewhat sympathize to you op, but unfortunately in this game griefing is fully supported by game devs and viewed by general public as "cool". So i'm afraid this game is not for you if you can't live with that.
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.13 19:38:00 -
[72]
Moved from General Discussion
Adida Community Rep CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2011.02.13 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Umega on 13/02/2011 20:06:55
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Originally by: Kale Eledar What bothers me the most, however, is that nobody wants to use their mains with regular security standings...
NUMBER ONE MISCONCEPTION OF THE YEAR.
Go look at the hulkageddon 3 page and see what kind of players and corps won the prizes, then look them up ingame.
Then, stop being a sheep and understand.
Don't bother. Some people simply will not get it, and they will eventually leave EVE.. that makes them completely irrelevent. They wish they were somebody.. they think their voice resonates throughout the halls with a skin coarsing boom. But is only a whisper, only a whispy high pitched whine.. demands are impossible to make when one does not understand the Cause.
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You can nerf insurance payouts to gankers.. won't stop a lot from happening. Expect more wardecs tho if such a thing takes place. It won't stop people from partcipating in Hulkageddon.. I personally don't care how much I make or lose, killing macros/morons is a just enough Cause for me. And the tears..
The Devs do care about Hulkageddon.. they do care if industrials and miners have their ships blown up. The fact that the game is designed for it to happen anywhere.. should clue some of you folks into the idea that they infact encourage and welcome it. The more Boom.. the more need for rocks, the more need for industrial characters.. the more need for people that are against the event, ironically enough.
Does it really matter that people profit from this event? Yes.. it does. This is EVE.. and if you're too much of a ***** or too stupid to take advantage of the situations and scenarios that are presented before you, You Are A Failure. Quit. Save yourself some money, cause you won't last in this game.. reguardless of Hulkageddon existing or not.
The event is a catalyst for many interesting, and entertaining elements that make EVE.. EVE. I really do encourage anyone that can not handle it, to let it be an awakening to the thought that this game really is not for you. You are the minority, and your voice is irrelevent in this matter. Do not try to change the game into something it is not.. simply find another game that suits the needs of being a shell'd up, and safe princess from any mental harm that comes from losing things that are binary-digits that you do not even really own. ---------------------------------------- Treat the EVE markets like you are its Pimp.. it is your 'willing' employee to fondle n use n abuse as you please. |
Ehnea Mehk
Minmatar ODATRIK Integrated Solutions
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Posted - 2011.02.13 21:50:00 -
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Spenser, our corporation mines as well as other things, but we are not quitting like yourself. We've turned Hulkageddon into a reason to promote and celebrate the mining and industrial community of New Eden with our Ore-A-Thon. It's called taking a bad situation and turning it into a good one.
Ehnea Ehnea Mehk
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Nicodemus Bauer
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Posted - 2011.02.14 00:45:00 -
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There are also plenty of corps out there that simply go the safe route. They setup mining ops with defenders at all times. Not just during Hulkageddon. The other old standby answer is "our corp doesn't mine during Hulkageddon."
To the OP, your answers are simple. Either play smarter. Get a better corp to run in.. or hush your-self. Can't really change much.
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Nick Nailer
Amarr Localhost.LL.c..
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Posted - 2011.02.14 11:31:00 -
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its all about min prices, the participants bot themselves. along with about every active player in eve that thinks for themselves, or can write code..
its a system within a system that is meant to keep the machine moving along, now be quite or get involved. Jittageddon starts after DT today, 2-14-2011
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Kale Eledar
Mining and Industrial Services Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
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Posted - 2011.02.15 11:45:00 -
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Quote:
NUMBER ONE MISCONCEPTION OF THE YEAR.
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Then, stop being a sheep and understand.
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Don't bother. Some people simply will not get it, and they will eventually leave EVE.. that makes them completely irrelevent. They wish they were somebody.. they think their voice resonates throughout the halls with a skin coarsing boom. But is only a whisper, only a whispy high pitched whine.. demands are impossible to make when one does not understand the Cause.
----- I will readily admit that I had never taken the time to read the top kills from the competition, and It makes sense that the majority are from pirate corporations. However, if this is the number one misconception about Hulkageddon, it must have originated from somewhere. The truth is that while there may be high scoring participants who are in pirate corps, it takes maybe a day to skill up an alt to fly a destroyer, whixh makes it easy for anyone to suicide gank. The top ten players obviously do not constitute the entirety of kills, if only a decent portion. And I am well aware that it is considered an exploit to train alts for the purpose of ganking to avoid security losses. However, it has to be hard for them to tell those characters apart from ones created to "try out different playstyles". I'm sure as the event coordinator, it must be frustrating to read misconceptions like these, but honestly, the condescending attitude doesn't make your points any more valid then they already are. I'm an open mind and willing to listen, so give simple explanation without the caustic attitude a try. I don't expect CCP to change insurance, but I find it interesting that you would predict more war declarations. If that is the case, I'd predict more industrials joining npc corps so the mechanic can't be used repetitively on them. And if people leave the game, it won't be because they don't understand the "Cause"; it will be because there are quite a few people who can't seem to go more than an hour without blasting a player with a snide remark. Really, itIS possible to give constructive criticism. If participants in Hulkageddon should get over their ship loss quickly, then I guess I'd expect you to extend the same courtesy and not be so acrid in your responses to everything. Fortunately, I won't be leaving from one person. There are plenty of great people playing Eve.
Anyways, thanks, Helicity, for pointing that out. I'm not against Hulkageddon! I just think it has some potential loopholes, which probably aren't as bad as I think.
But I know what I'm doing if I lose my ship to a ganker in highsec [hypothetically, of course...I'm gonna be in null]. ...Kill them with compliments. It'd probably be the last thing they are expecting.
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Fredy Frenly
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Posted - 2011.02.15 12:22:00 -
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-Get the F*** point her, som like to gange hulks, as a multi acomt miner I realy domt se the trubbel whit hulkageddon, dokk your mining wessels! do somthing difrent, hey tray a beer inn a bar close bay mebe?
Stopp wining abut it, thats half the funn fore gangers. :)
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Toshi Basat
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Posted - 2011.02.15 14:32:00 -
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Stop crying ! You'll drown us all.
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whaynethepain
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Posted - 2011.02.15 14:40:00 -
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If you dont understand, ask someone else, not your imagination, it's leading you astray my "friend".
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Kale Eledar
Mining and Industrial Services Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
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Posted - 2011.02.16 08:48:00 -
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Like I said, I'm not against Hulkageddon. It makes things interesting in the world of Eve. CCP can't do anything about it, and they shouldn't.
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Jack Reaver
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Posted - 2011.02.17 21:08:00 -
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so Hulkageddon is a bail out for the industry players via, mass destruction of hulks? sooo 100000s of hulks go BOOM, (if the attacker isn't killed by concord first?)the price of hulks jump up.....
This makes some type of odd sense, I think....
I think if those botters stop doing what it is that they do, prices would shoooot up.
So Hulkageddon is attack the botters the people who keep simple ore prices at a low point... YES...wait... where am i? who are you people?
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Tiberus Cesar
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Posted - 2011.02.18 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Umega Edited by: Umega on 13/02/2011 01:13:43
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Umega Which means, ganker minus 2 ships.. miner minus 1. Damnit, CCP! That's not fair.. for the gankers.
A couple of t1 fit insured bc cost a hell of a lot less after they die than the hulk. If you get a good drop you might even make a few isk.
Re-adjust your interweb forum sarcasm detector, or IFSD. I believe it is a little off in its readings.
And there really is nothing stopping a ganked miner from taking revenge on jonny-weekend warrior Hulkageddon particpant as he hauls some PI around in his Orca/freighter.. or as he sits quietly in his mission pimpboat, or at a gate, or outside of a station. The miner got a 30-day get out of jail free card.. the only one stopping them from taking advantage of the situation, is themself.
I think you'll find with the amount of SP's that most miners have in industry it's more like they don't have the ablities to take down most ships or the standings to locate the toon who ganked them
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Laura Holt
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Posted - 2011.02.20 19:01:00 -
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Dear Hulkageddoners.
Just wanted to let you guys know that my Main account expired today. I won't be Petitioning for a 24hour extension. YEAH HULKAGEDDONERS!!! This character is from my third account, My ORCA pilot. This character only has 3mil Isk, so no chance of a PLEX. so, end of the month this account will expire too. YEAH HULKAGEDDONERS!!!
You guys have fixed the EVE Economy! You have brought Peace and Justice to the Galaxy!
Also wanted to let you guys know that RIFT is awesome! And thanks to you HULKAGEDDONERS I've already saved $30bucks by unsubscribing to EVE Online, so, its a win win situation. You guys saved the Galaxy and I saved enough to buy RIFT.
Honestly, RIFT is something to see. If you didn't get in on the Open-Beta, you missed out, Big-Time! They did a spectacular job with it!
Yeah, I think I will miss my EVE Online account, my main was just about to get a Strat-cruiser. But, I came to EVE Online for the Sandbox, and If I can't play in the Sandbox the way I want because its over-run by Bullies, then I'll just have to find another place to play.
Believe it or not, some people don't like Bullies. I happen to be one of them. I'll be damned if I ever let a bully tell me what to do.
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M00NS
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Posted - 2011.02.21 00:08:00 -
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As much as Hulkageddon is against miners, as a miner I find it fun and in good spirit. Plus, prices are going up on ores and minerals. Always a good thing imo. Only thing that bothers me is the ppl that say they are only after bots and afkers. If that was so Mitsolen would be clear of them. Instead it is packed every day and most people that are taking part in Hulkageddon know about it. So to those people i present u with a challenge. Either clear mitsolen or stay quiet. Which can sometimes be more of a challenge to some.
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Golanik
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Posted - 2011.02.21 13:24:00 -
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OPs like this one make miners like me look bad. Some of us aren't pathetic wimps who cry every time somebody in a MMO game does something we don't like. Bring on the gankers, bring on the veldspar tears!
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Tilux
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.23 05:09:00 -
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What is all wrong with you people? Can't you just dock your ship for a week then grinding those 'roid? Maybe you could do something else in Eve for that week.
Oh right, you guys dont have any skill that is unrelated to industry.
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Nick Nailer
Amarr Localhost.LL.c..
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Posted - 2011.02.23 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Nick Nailer on 23/02/2011 13:27:01 confirming, I am posting for chits and giggles because i cant get eve to run yet today
also, helicity is a sexy biatch
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Ania Hyperthron
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:18:00 -
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1. Hulkageddon dont spare normal miners. 2. Even if you are not AFK you still cant escape when ships warping at 0km near you. 3. Hulkageddon is pathethic.
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Cozmik R5
Minmatar Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.04.16 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ania Hyperthron 1. Hulkageddon dont spare normal miners. 2. Even if you are not AFK you still cant escape when ships warping at 0km near you. 3. Hulkageddon is pathethic.
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