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Shojin Askulf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:04:00 -
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After burning out in SWTOR and about to leave once my subscription runs out end of month I decided to give EVE a try.
I created a character, read some quite helpful posts and started a training plan once I figured out how evemon works.
I really like the idea of pvp so decided to start with a rifter, learning all the basic certificates and Tech 2 projectiles having just finished that + ewar basics I am heading for minmatar cruisers and then into the hurricane which I really like the look of. (Yes I have skilled up the support skills as well) Bought a plex to fund myself, not really interested in the pve side of things, at the end of the month I am planning on actually playing and joining a corp called red vs blue, was told they would fit my needs and I would learn a lot about pvp in this game.
I only really play one mmo at a time so the ability to prepare my character and get his training up while I wind down my playing of SWTOR is Nice.
Having followed the evemon recommendations and fitting certs seems like a good idea.
So am I missing anything that I should be doing before the end of the month when I will start loosing lots of ships! |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1340
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:09:00 -
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Nope don't think so, you did a pretty good job of setting yourself up and you're already geared up to join RvB.
Stick to the smaller ships for a while and I guess just read up on some PVP tactics, creating and setting up safespots, how to avoid bubbles and such (if you ever find yourself in 0.0) learning about good fittings, cap management, aggression mechanics, and learning how to fly your ship (like doing spirals with a frigate to maintain decent angular). The Drake is a Lie |
Shojin Askulf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:16:00 -
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Am I crazy for actually looking forward to pvp with risk and yes I plan to literally fly rifters and the new slasher upgrade to death :) |
Gronn
V.E.I. -Entropy-
19
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:33:00 -
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Don't rule out destroyers, the Thrasher is a fun PVP boat and cheap. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
372
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Posted - 2012.08.22 16:50:00 -
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I approve this attitude. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
mkint
879
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Posted - 2012.08.22 17:20:00 -
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Only thing to add is to not wait. If you want to do something do it today. Don't wait for the next skill or module or whatever. You're gonna suck your first time whatever you do, so doing it when you have nothing to lose is easier. |
Shojin Askulf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.08.22 20:03:00 -
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mkint wrote:Only thing to add is to not wait. If you want to do something do it today. Don't wait for the next skill or module or whatever. You're gonna suck your first time whatever you do, so doing it when you have nothing to lose is easier.
I have no doubt of that I just only play one mmo at a time, one more week of swtor to use out my subscription and say goodbye to guild members. Then I will be in EVE, this time just allows me to set my character up with support skills etc.
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Equus
Royal Order of Security Specialists Late Night Alliance
45
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Posted - 2012.08.22 20:47:00 -
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Also remember when fitting those PvP ships, T2 modules are not always needed, especially in the beginning, the price of modules adds up really fast, you would be amazed how easy it is to turn that 500k isk rifter into a 10 million isk loss. |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
372
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Posted - 2012.08.22 21:11:00 -
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Anything else I should be doing?
Answer: Have fun. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.22 22:06:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Anything else I should be doing?
Answer: Have fun.
I was going to respond with the exact same thing.
To the OP: Slashers & Thrashers.
You'll have plenty of fun in RvB, just don't expect someone to sit down and teach you how to PVP. Ask to join "Noobfleet" and get active with them. You'll learn a lot if you pay attention to stuff as it happens, and there's plenty of people who'll be willing to fight "to hull" to give you a chance to try things out without losing a ship (if you want). "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
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Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
152
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Posted - 2012.08.23 03:25:00 -
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Was expecting to see a long list of stuff in answer to your question... Good to see you seem to have nailed it in the OP...
All I can add is to have fun, never turn down an opportunity to learn... And don't get disheartened when you turn into a rapidly expanding particle cloud There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
Babar Baboli
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
9
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Posted - 2012.08.23 08:49:00 -
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Shojin Askulf wrote:After burning out in SWTOR and about to leave once my subscription runs out end of month I decided to give EVE a try. I created a character, read some quite helpful posts and started a training plan once I figured out how evemon works. I really like the idea of pvp so decided to start with a rifter, learning all the basic certificates and Tech 2 projectiles having just finished that + ewar basics I am heading for minmatar cruisers and then into the hurricane which I really like the look of. (Yes I have skilled up the support skills as well) Bought a plex to fund myself, not really interested in the pve side of things, at the end of the month I am planning on actually playing and joining a corp called red vs blue, was told they would fit my needs and I would learn a lot about pvp in this game. I only really play one mmo at a time so the ability to prepare my character and get his training up while I wind down my playing of SWTOR is Nice. Having followed the evemon recommendations and fitting certs seems like a good idea. So am I missing anything that I should be doing before the end of the month when I will start loosing lots of ships!
If only all new capsuleers were like you.... |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2606
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Posted - 2012.08.23 11:22:00 -
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Welcome to the real dark side ;) CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
254
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Posted - 2012.08.23 12:13:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Welcome to the real dark side ;)
Except we don't have cookies. Instead, we have Starcakes which taste better. http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1342
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Posted - 2012.08.23 16:07:00 -
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Grideris wrote:CCP Guard wrote:Welcome to the real dark side ;) Except we don't have cookies. Instead, we have Starcakes which taste better.
Doomsday Starcakes. The Drake is a Lie |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
493
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Posted - 2012.08.23 16:56:00 -
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Quote:Bought a plex to fund myself, not really interested in the pve side of things, at the end of the month I am planning on actually playing and joining a corp called red vs blue, was told they would fit my needs and I would learn a lot about pvp in this game.
Sort of. There are many different types of PVP. Red vs Blue will teach you some things common to all, but not the specifics of everything.
Quote:So am I missing anything that I should be doing before the end of the month when I will start loosing lots of ships!
I don't know why you're waiting until the end of the month to start losing ships. |
Shojin Askulf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.08.23 17:23:00 -
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Swtor will be uninstalled on Sunday and my journey to the real dark side shall begin, thank you to all those offering advice on this thread, as far as theory goes even down to watching small group pvp on youtube.
Currently studying guides on sig radius/transversal and orbiting in relation to my current rifter fit, looking into the slasher and thrasher, it all sounds a lot of fun and explosions I am sure will follow even if my own ship at least I will hopefully learn something from the event.
I followed a basic fit on the battleclinic for my first rifter and changed a couple of things. 3*150mm Light Autocannon II 1* Small diminishing power system drain
x5 prototype engine enervator Experimental 1mn afterburner j5b phased prototype warp scrambler
Damage control II small armor repairer II 200mm reinforced rolled tungsten
small polycarbon engine housing I small auxilary thruster I small capacitor control circuit I
Now my thoughts on this are as follows, I realise using a capacitor control circuit is not usual on a pvp ship but a lot of small group and even solo pvp happens in red versus blue from what I have read and this is what I am aiming for with this fit.
with the diminishing power system drain on a target this rifter is capacitor stable 25% with repair system active I know that is not really important on most and pvp ships are usually from what I have read cap unstable.
From my reading and looking at things afterburner means my ship has a sig of only 35m and a top speed of 1040.
Please note I have not actually flown this ship yet this is all theory and probably flawed and full of new person mistakes.
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
493
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:04:00 -
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Quote:I realise using a capacitor control circuit is not usual on a pvp ship but a lot of small group and even solo pvp happens in red versus blue from what I have read and this is what I am aiming for with this fit.
the reason that CCCs are awful on PVP ships does not change based on the size of the fight. CCCs are as bad for solo PVP as they are for fleet PVP.
Modules that give you a steady stream of cap are pretty much balanced around PVE...which is to say, very long engagements where the only concerns are tank, DPS, and cap. PVEers can pile on a bunch of cap mods to run their shield boosters or armor reppers. In PVP, if you try to pile on enough cap mods to make a difference in anything, you will gimp your ship beyond belief because half of your slots will be devoted to it.
Get a fitting program like EFT or Pyfa (I recommend the latter) and check the statistics. The CCC will give you only seconds more time on your repper, and most of the time the fight will be over before you run out of cap anyway. In a pinch, a Semiconductor Memory cell (+ cap amount) can be useful..Since PVP fights are short, base capacitor is far more important than capacitor recharge (though the SMC will also improve cap recharge, though not as much as a capacitor control circuit would).
in the case of the Rifter, however, you don't need it. You have already fit a Nosferatu, which will give you more than enough. The Nos is sort of an exception to the rule about cap recharge mods because it gives you a enough cap to actually be noticeable in a short fight...And sucking the opponent's cap dry is a nice perk |
Shojin Askulf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:25:00 -
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I agree I was using EFT but will try Pyfa, my eft stats say everything running - the capacitor control rig =45s with the capacitor control rig it is 25% cap stable.
My skills are very low at the moment but I do understand what you are saying.
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
494
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:31:00 -
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Shojin Askulf wrote:I agree I was using EFT but will try Pyfa, my eft stats say everything running - the capacitor control rig =45s with the capacitor control rig it is 25% cap stable.
My skills are very low at the moment but I do understand what you are saying.
You need to train up your cap skills then (Energy management, energy systems operation if I recall correctly). Regardless, you're still probably better off with a semiconductor memory cell. |
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Shojin Askulf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.08.23 18:34:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Shojin Askulf wrote:I agree I was using EFT but will try Pyfa, my eft stats say everything running - the capacitor control rig =45s with the capacitor control rig it is 25% cap stable.
My skills are very low at the moment but I do understand what you are saying.
You need to train up your cap skills then (Energy management, energy systems operation if I recall correctly). Regardless, you're still probably better off with a semiconductor memory cell.
Okay going to read up on those now.
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Usagi Toshiro
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.23 23:30:00 -
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If you're interested in learning PvP check us out in RvB. You can learn the ropes in cheap ships (mainly t1 frigs-crusiers) and get loads of advice and ship fitting suggestions. They even help you learn to tweak the overview and utilize strategic bookmarks. I've played EVE for 6 years as a PvE player and burned out on missions. In RvB you hit the ground running and never look back.
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Pretorian Decimus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.24 02:51:00 -
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He's already thinking of joining us :) |
Shojin Askulf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:01:00 -
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Yes, I will be joining Red Versus Blue this weekend. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
142
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:58:00 -
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OP's doing a good job, we need more of his type, Here's some stuff for you think about (some may already have been mentioned).
- don't think bigger is necessarily better, there is no "natural progression" in this game instead it's about specialisation and purpose - don't think that fancy ships or fittings will help you in the beginning, you're much better off buying 20 Rifters than 1 Firetail - always have a plan, always think ahead. That way, even if you lose, you can analyse what happened and why it went wrong. Just "doing stuff" generally means you don't learn - you don't have to grind in EVE, you can if you want to but it's not needed. There's many ways to make Isk but most people just flock the the most obvious ones (missions, mining) and tell others to do exactly that - realise that most EVE players are just as clueless as any other MMO player, regardless of their ingame age. Therefore always question the answers people give you as most of them are crap (that would include mine, ofcourse :P) - don't sell yourself short, if you end up in some corp (after RvB) that's either inactive, takes advantage of you, is full of morons or has a CEO that likes to shout just leave. You deserve an active, non-idiot corp with members who don't want to live out their slave driving fantasies - have fun, if you're doing something that's not fun to you (choice of isk making for example) then find something else to do - always expect traps, always expect to be fcked over and doublecrossed - learn to walk before you try to run. I'm not saying "don't run", I'm saying "learn asap"
Amat victoria curam. |
Shojin Askulf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.08.24 13:35:00 -
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Well I decided that I could not wait, Went shopping in jita which was a new experience for me, never seen so many scams in a game, I just minimized local and after docking at three of the wrong stations ended up in the right place.
Spent around 450m (leaving me with a little insurance and emergency cash) bought 20 rifters 20 slashers 10 thrashers and 4 ruptures.
Went on the red versus blue killboard and looked through common fits in losses for the above ships and bought lots of cheap + some tech 2 modules, ammo, skill books and various different fits.
Then realized I had no idea how to move this huge amount of stuff but I remembered courier contracts from reading and recommendations about red frog freight so hopefully everything I need to begin with is on its way to Reds home system sorry blues I flipped a coin to choose which side.
Once everything arrives I will log in and apply.
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Lyric Lahnder
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
92
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Posted - 2012.08.24 17:29:00 -
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Red Frog is rock solid. They wont screw you.
Enjoy your time in Red vs. Blue.
There a great place for learning. But considering how ambitious you are one day that might not be enough. You may want to test your metal against greater foes and worsening odds. You may feel the need to push the envelope once again.
When you get to that point give us a call.
Heres my card Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.comI Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers. |
Yeoman Uitoh
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
0
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Posted - 2012.08.24 18:58:00 -
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Shojin Askulf wrote:Well I decided that I could not wait, Went shopping in jita which was a new experience for me, never seen so many scams in a game, I just minimized local and after docking at three of the wrong stations ended up in the right place.
Spent around 450m (leaving me with a little insurance and emergency cash) bought 20 rifters 20 slashers 10 thrashers and 4 ruptures.
Went on the red versus blue killboard and looked through common fits in losses for the above ships and bought lots of cheap + some tech 2 modules, ammo, skill books and various different fits.
Then realized I had no idea how to move this huge amount of stuff but I remembered courier contracts from reading and recommendations about red frog freight so hopefully everything I need to begin with is on its way to Reds home system sorry blues I flipped a coin to choose which side.
Once everything arrives I will log in and apply.
Good to hear that even new players hear about us.
Happy to be of service (though likely one of the other frogs took care of it). |
Shojin Askulf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.08.24 20:01:00 -
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My ships and everything arrived, I can see myself getting killed often while I just look at all the beautiful ships and space with everything turned on max.
Thank you to everyone for all the advice and help.
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Sakari Orisi
The Dark Space Initiative
45
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Posted - 2012.08.24 22:48:00 -
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Just want to give you a quick cheer for starting out like you're supposed to :) Need more new players like this. (Oh, and, thanks for using my software! :D) |
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