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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.02.14 21:34:00 -
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Aloha I come bearing a bond offering /end suaveness
Purpose: I am looking to get some isk seed (1.1 bill) to start a manufacturing fund so I may start garnering a collection of bpo(s) (researched) which will increase my leverage to make isk w/o to much effort and increase my NAV. couple smaller other reason are to coo over them like a dragon w/ golden eggs but that's maybe getting into a fetish you don't want to here about.
Goal: Acquire researched bpo's generally 1 at a time and launch building campaign from them lasting about a month ea to earn profits to pay for bpo's principal +interest whence they can become a back burner in my oven and I move onto next bpo.(amass bpo collection)
This offering is to consist of 2 parts = 500 mill bond for which will be used in acquisition of bpo(s) and a 600 mill loan for materials for which to launch this business.
Terms: 500 mill bond = 20 widgets for 25 mill ea 600 mill loan = The Lovely Plumage aka Navy Mega {rigged for whom it matters to} have already used this boats on previous loans before in this forum.
5% monthly interest; payments on about 1st of ea month
Launch when entirety of offering has been filled (one part kind of redundant w/o the other)
Length: TBA
* To a few who may recognize me mentioning this offering in game a few days ago I did originally shoot for a term of 1 month but at that moment i was being really focused on acquiring just 1 bpo before I thought I could roll onto another bpo once I finished my building campaign on one to earn back its principal.
Bond Buy-back/out Policy: As I could be running this awhile I could see how people may want to cash-out later so; You are free to sell the widget rights you bought provided you can find a willing investor to take your place; Also if you do this you forfeit interest to be earned in that month.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.02.14 21:41:00 -
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*reserved* = Investor list and w/e may come up needing reserving for
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.02.15 02:32:00 -
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Here ya go,
Who holds your collateral? the investor? Also, giving the rights to other investor removes interest? why?
And if I get this right, there is no way to get the money from you until the bond is over at some unspecified date (if ever?)
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.02.15 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tutskii Here ya go,
Who holds your collateral? the investor? Also, giving the rights to other investor removes interest? why?
And if I get this right, there is no way to get the money from you until the bond is over at some unspecified date (if ever?)
Im leaning towards perhaps a trusted 3rd party to hold the collateral to keep it from being sold off from a investor deciding to go rouge. On the part of the bond you can get the money back from however many of the x of 20 widgets u buy; just i will require someone to take your place if you do so I may continue to operate this venture. Also selling the rights to another investor will be penalized in only the month you cashout - I have this term as to try to keep the same investors that buy in from the start.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.15 02:46:00 -
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If you need a 3rd party to hold collateral I'm available. Rate can be determined.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.02.15 02:59:00 -
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Yeah, but the point is how do people get their money back from you? This may be required and or desired at some point.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.02.15 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tutskii Yeah, but the point is how do people get their money back from you? This may be required and or desired at some point.
Just find some1 who will take the widgets you bought; Can be as simple as making an official transfer of rights letting me know who will be taking over what u bought and they pay you for x widgets and then you will have cashed out of the bond with your money back and now the new person takes the place of collecting on interest. I could also send you the money then recieve from who will be taking over (perhaps 3rd party to make sure both sides get funds) but I find the first scenerio works out better/simpler.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.02.15 03:34:00 -
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The problem with that is that there is no way to ever get the money back from you as things stand now. I know I would have a problem with that.
Why should it be up to me to find you another investor? find your own investors, I just want my money back.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.02.15 03:54:00 -
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I believe I have already answered your question in my previous post concerning if want to be paid back directly from me. As for finding another investor I can do my part to find some1 else that will buy your posisition but until that happens your bound to the terms of the bond - hence in your interst to also look for another investor to take your space. Part of this is I'm being fairly lean in terms what I require and cashing ppl out w/o some1 to fill their place would hinder this business plan. If you have further questions to these particular issues you can mail me in-game.
Also later i will be amending a cluase or two to this offering specifying more on terms of investment.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.02.15 04:23:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Godsmack I believe I have already answered your question in my previous post concerning if want to be paid back directly from me. As for finding another investor I can do my part to find some1 else that will buy your posisition but until that happens your bound to the terms of the bond - hence in your interst to also look for another investor to take your space. Part of this is I'm being fairly lean in terms what I require and cashing ppl out w/o some1 to fill their place would hinder this business plan. If you have further questions to these particular issues you can mail me in-game.
Also later i will be amending a cluase or two to this offering specifying more on terms of investment.
Thats getting someone elses money, not my own, and not from you. My question was whether there was a way to get the money back from you, and the answer seems to be "No, I will hold your money hostage and unless you get someone else to give it back, you aint seeing it". That plus the extremely low returns (5%?) make this offering very unnatractive to me.
And shouldn't terms of investment be.. well the first thing to be posted in an investment?
Either way, good luck with your offering.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2011.02.15 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tutskii
Thats getting someone elses money, not my own, and not from you. My question was whether there was a way to get the money back from you, and the answer seems to be "No, I will hold your money hostage and unless you get someone else to give it back, you aint seeing it". That plus the extremely low returns (5%?) make this offering very unnatractive to me.
I can think of two investments that are probably the largest and longest running here on MD that offer pretty much those same terms except they pay less interest. They are also considered by many to be the most trusted investments on MD.
Are these terms attractive to you? No, and they aren't to me either. Are they attractive to others? Yes, and history proves this.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.02.15 22:54:00 -
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Alrighty bump tyme
couple edits (self explanatory if u read them)
Any other questions feel free to ask here or contact me in-game when I'm online or via eve-mail (do not complain to me about the 5k isk CSPA)
Other than that I guess how about some investors
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.16 00:21:00 -
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I have spoken to the OP about being 3rd party for the collateral.
Keep in mind the collateral is only for the 600 mil ISK part. The 500 mil ISK part is unsecured. Currently doing an all region check on navy megas, they go for 500 mil and up.
The OP also asked about how to handle disputes if someone says they were not paid. I recommended his full API key to verify, and he suggested the investors API key. While true both would work, keep in mind the OP has specified it would be up to the investor to provide his key.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.02.16 01:57:00 -
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Confirmed.
Thx Breaker77
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Jesus Robohitler
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Posted - 2011.02.16 20:33:00 -
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reserving 2 shares
i know that guy from dodixie and he knows what hes doin i believe Oo
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Jesus Robohitler
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Posted - 2011.02.16 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jesus Robo****** on 16/02/2011 20:40:57 yeah well that guy there^ is me... dumb forum somehow ****ed chars up
EDIT: PLAYING NAKED MY NAME... FAILCASCADING HARD
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.02.17 02:57:00 -
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Will arrange for hookers and beer for next investor.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:07:00 -
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Offering is now locked = Entirety of bond+loan has been bought out by (a) private investor at alternate offer of a non collateralized loan of 1.1 bill. As party did not post in this thread for the time being I assume their identity as Anonymous; will at the least have Breaker affirm their investment if investor doesn't want to post when they are online again. -------- Now for the official start and launch of my first bond for manufacturing \o/
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Broken Link
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Posted - 2011.02.17 12:12:00 -
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Confirming loan made. Confirming offer for full amount uncollateralized.
Storm last night dropped power in the area before I could post this up. |
Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.03.01 01:38:00 -
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EVE time = 3/1/11 ; for me its still 2/28/11 so this either early or on time depending how u look...
Interest Payment:
55 mill (5%)
25 mill (for propation of month of February)
80 mill paid out to investor.
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Broken Link
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Posted - 2011.03.01 02:23:00 -
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Confirming funds received.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.03.30 02:51:00 -
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bumping from pg. 10 for my easy access to find this to post payment in few days
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.04.01 20:49:00 -
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EVE Time: 2011.4.1 20:44 = 55 mill (5% intesrest) paid.
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Broken Link
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Posted - 2011.04.03 17:09:00 -
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Confirming received!
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.04.27 05:27:00 -
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easy 4 access bump
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.05.01 15:29:00 -
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holy **** MD you guys are spamming the forums - i bump this the other day and its already lost again. -- anyway -
Interest payout today within last 10 minutes / 55 mil paid to investor
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Broken Link
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Posted - 2011.05.15 16:31:00 -
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Was out of town, so late on confirming this, but I did get all interest, and it showed in the wallet as perfectly on time.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.06.01 17:29:00 -
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interest payment of 55 mill payed out today @ 17:21 EVE Time. -----
and whoever is collecting useless nuggets MD has churned out about 6.5 pages worth of thread topics in the last month
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Broken Link
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:57:00 -
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Confirmed.
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Commander Godsmack
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Posted - 2011.07.01 22:07:00 -
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interest payment of 55 mill credited to investor.
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