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Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Block Ukx
Show me one that has more transparency. A one time audit is NOT transparency. Show me one that has records going back several years.
You've never even had a one time audit. How can you possibly say that unverifiable & unaudited spreadsheets where the underlying data is hidden from your own "Board of Directors" is any level of transparency.
It's more than likely that is simply fiction mascaraed as transparency to lull people into a false sense of security while you run your ponzi scheme into the ground.
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:35:00 -
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Back in the insurance fraud days (I hung out in the minerals channel with Molic, BSAC and others) I was under the impression that BSAC was all about owning a bunch of minerals for the sake of owning minerals. Seemed silly at the time and especially when most minerals predictably crashed as insurance fraud was phased out (perhaps that's when the 'real' fraud began.) I think it stinks that you're letting Molic tarnish his own name by standing up for you, though. His gameplay (exclusively industrial) might not suit everyone but at least he has integrity.
I hope when your scam unravels that you'll at least have the courtesy to give us a synopsis. Should be an interesting read.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:41:00 -
[63]
You have no evidence that the records I published are false. You have no evidence that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. And yet, you think people should take your word as a definite prove that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. It is very easy to accuse people of wrong doing without any evidence. Backup your claims with some prove.
BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange |
Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:43:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Block Ukx
You have no evidence that the records I published are false. You have no evidence that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. And yet, you think people should take your word as a definite prove that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. It is very easy to accuse people of wrong doing without any evidence. Backup your claims with some prove.
Give me the API keys I need to see all of the assets you have in the various BSAC wings, and I will prove it is a Ponzi scheme.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:44:00 -
[65]
Holy ****, the thread has spiral out of control already and qube hasn't even gotten a chance to start
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: AkJon Ferguson Back in the insurance fraud days (I hung out in the minerals channel with Molic, BSAC and others) I was under the impression that BSAC was all about owning a bunch of minerals for the sake of owning minerals. Seemed silly at the time and especially when most minerals predictably crashed as insurance fraud was phased out (perhaps that's when the 'real' fraud began.) I think it stinks that you're letting Molic tarnish his own name by standing up for you, though. His gameplay (exclusively industrial) might not suit everyone but at least he has integrity.
I hope when your scam unravels that you'll at least have the courtesy to give us a synopsis. Should be an interesting read.
It will be extremely rewarding when the new system comes online and people will see with their own eyes how wrong you are.
BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:47:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Block Ukx
You have no evidence that the records I published are false. You have no evidence that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. And yet, you think people should take your word as a definite prove that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. It is very easy to accuse people of wrong doing without any evidence. Backup your claims with some prove.
Give me the API keys I need to see all of the assets you have in the various BSAC wings, and I will prove it is a Ponzi scheme.
Oh sure, because you have show how objective you are. DonĈt worry, the beauty of the new system is that everyone will see the journals and wallets.
BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange |
Two Shots
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:51:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Block Ukx
You have no evidence that the records I published are false. You have no evidence that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. And yet, you think people should take your word as a definite prove that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. It is very easy to accuse people of wrong doing without any evidence. Backup your claims with some prove.
The proof is not that Kalrand called you out on a Ponzi scheme. The proof is how you have reacted to being called a Ponzi scheme.
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:53:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Block Ukx
You have no evidence that the records I published are false. You have no evidence that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. And yet, you think people should take your word as a definite prove that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. It is very easy to accuse people of wrong doing without any evidence. Backup your claims with some prove.
Give me the API keys I need to see all of the assets you have in the various BSAC wings, and I will prove it is a Ponzi scheme.
Oh sure, because you have show how objective you are. DonĈt worry, the beauty of the new system is that everyone will see the journals and wallets.
Your tune just went from "BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE IT!!!".
And I accepted your challenge.
But you can't let the BSAC fail-train derail here, so you deflect.
Besides, if I write something biased, your ultimate defense would be to release the same keys to a third party, who could then publicly tar and feather me.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:54:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Two Shots
Originally by: Block Ukx
You have no evidence that the records I published are false. You have no evidence that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. And yet, you think people should take your word as a definite prove that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. It is very easy to accuse people of wrong doing without any evidence. Backup your claims with some prove.
The proof is not that Kalrand called you out on a Ponzi scheme. The proof is how you have reacted to being called a Ponzi scheme.
Yes, BSAC's reaction has been to move toward 100% transparency, where records will be made public to the entire EVE population verified via API.
BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange |
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Two Shots
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:56:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Two Shots
Originally by: Block Ukx
You have no evidence that the records I published are false. You have no evidence that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. And yet, you think people should take your word as a definite prove that IĈm running a Ponzi scheme. It is very easy to accuse people of wrong doing without any evidence. Backup your claims with some prove.
The proof is not that Kalrand called you out on a Ponzi scheme. The proof is how you have reacted to being called a Ponzi scheme.
Yes, BSAC's reaction has been to move toward 100% transparency, where records will be made public to the entire EVE population verified via API.
Or you could reveal that information right now. Contrary to what you may wish people to believe, things can and often do happen immediately. The fact that you are delaying makes you suspect.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.02.17 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Your tune just went from "BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE IT!!!".
And I accepted your challenge.
But you can't let the BSAC fail-train derail here, so you deflect.
Besides, if I write something biased, your ultimate defense would be to release the same keys to a third party, who could then publicly tar and feather me.
When the system comes online people will see who is wrong and who is right.
BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.02.17 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Two Shots Or you could reveal that information right now. Contrary to what you may wish people to believe, things can and often do happen immediately. The fact that you are delaying makes you suspect.
You will need to wait for the new system. I will enjoy showing how wrong you are.
BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange |
Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 05:04:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Block Ukx
Originally by: Two Shots Or you could reveal that information right now. Contrary to what you may wish people to believe, things can and often do happen immediately. The fact that you are delaying makes you suspect.
You will need to wait for the new system. I will enjoy showing how wrong you are.
A new system that no one who is not you can actually see the underlying data?
And by underlying, I mean the raw API data directly from eveonline.com, and not some useless report your system spits out?
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.02.17 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand A new system that no one who is not you can actually see the underlying data?
And by underlying, I mean the raw API data directly from eveonline.com, and not some useless report your system spits out?
I think I was very clear on the new system been verified via API. The data will be viewable to the entire EVE population and the integrety of the data in the server will be verified via API by Trustees.
Is that clear enough, or does it needs more explaining?
BSAC Stock Exchange - EVE's only real-time stock exchange |
Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 05:16:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Block Ukx the data in the server will be verified via API by Trustees.
Is that clear enough, or does it needs more explaining?
I think that's what everyone is asking for.
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Clown Pron
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Posted - 2011.02.17 05:16:00 -
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BLOCK AND KAL
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Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 05:19:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Clown Pron BLOCK AND KAL
Who's that?
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Misty McGinnity
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Posted - 2011.02.17 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kalrand
Your tune just went from "BUT YOU CAN'T PROVE IT!!!".
And I accepted your challenge.
But you can't let the BSAC fail-train derail here, so you deflect.
Besides, if I write something biased, your ultimate defense would be to release the same keys to a third party, who could then publicly tar and feather me.
He mad
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2011.02.17 06:42:00 -
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****, I've gotta go get Ray and show him this thread. It always amazes us when someone makes us look mature by comparison.
And holy **** Block, don't apologize for hijacking a thread and then continue to hijack it. Just STFU and move along, you aren't going to convince Kalrand that you are right so stop muddying up this thread.
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Florestan Bronstein
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Posted - 2011.02.17 07:18:00 -
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Quote: [ 2011.02.16 22:46:44 ] Dethmourne Silvermane > comedy gold on MD right now [ 2011.02.16 22:51:58 ] amarrtestchar123 > quick, give your isk to block [ 2011.02.16 22:52:01 ] amarrtestchar123 > that's a great idea [ 2011.02.16 22:52:07 ] amarrtestchar123 > he's not a ponzi, no sir [ 2011.02.16 22:58:58 ] Gatan Hahran > /emote nods and sends 100 billion isk [ 2011.02.16 22:59:54 ] Gatan Hahran > /emote looks at his negative wallet and requests a chargeback [ 2011.02.16 23:04:43 ] Dethmourne Silvermane > so i know what kalrand and block think [ 2011.02.16 23:04:58 ] Dethmourne Silvermane > what do you guys think about listing my bond on BSAC? [ 2011.02.16 23:05:07 ] Dethmourne Silvermane > seems like a bad move to me, more complexity, but [ 2011.02.16 23:05:35 ] Lauren Hellfury > don't do it! [ 2011.02.16 23:05:51 ] Dethmourne Silvermane > indeed [ 2011.02.16 23:06:01 ] Dethmourne Silvermane > i suspect this will be the majority decision
two full pages of discussion over a complete non-topic.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.02.17 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
two full pages of discussion over a complete non-topic.
I agree. Block, you really need to maintain a minimum standard of civility and stop derailing other people's threads with lies about BSCAM. Spam Jita local if you want to promote your scam.
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Two Shots
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.17 14:54:00 -
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[Quote=Clown Pron]"Hey look guys image macro!"
:frogout:
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Brock Nelson
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2011.02.18 01:33:00 -
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Quote: [01:29:35] Molly Mayhem > GOOD SIRS [01:29:48] Molly Mayhem > ONE OF OUR CHAT CHANNEL MD RABBLE ASKED ME TO STRAIGHTEN THIS THREAD OUT [01:30:12] Molly Mayhem > I HUMBLY REQUEST THAT YOU PUT YOUR FORUM *****ES AWAY
Nuf said
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Clown Pron
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Posted - 2011.02.18 01:38:00 -
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.02.18 01:39:00 -
[86]
Well then..
any actual questions/comments/concerns about my bond offer?
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Clown Pron
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Posted - 2011.02.18 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane Well then..
any actual questions/comments/concerns about my bond offer?
Is that what this thread is about?
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.18 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane Well then..
any actual questions/comments/concerns about my bond offer?
This was a discussion about you? I could have sworn I've seen Blocks name about 5000 times!
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.02.18 01:51:00 -
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Posting in a block thread.
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Two Shots
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.02.18 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane Well then..
any actual questions/comments/concerns about my bond offer?
This was a discussion about you? I could have sworn I've seen Blocks name about 5000 times!
Not empty quoting this.
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