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Abdullah al Wahhab
Islamic Bank of EVE
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Posted - 2011.02.18 22:48:00 -
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The Islamic Bank of EVE is sharia-approved now and got permission to offer you to invest.
First i want to tell you about islamic banking: Most players know that all banks in EVE failed so far. This was not pure coincidence. The evebanks paid out interest (we call it Riba). A bank paying out Riba gets no blessing of Allah and is doomed to fail. The second reason is the missing trust in Allah. The banks hired armys of "auditors", "directors" and "controllers" who all failed. Nobody trusted in Allah, who controls and knows everything. Our customers can feel safe, because we are controlled only by Allah, The Wise (Al-Ḥakīm).
Savings Account Why should you invest in the Islamic Bank of EVE if there is no interest? The sharia allows us to give you a Hibah (gift) every month and the value of the Hibah is related to the amount of ISK in your savings account. However, it is forbidden to guarantee the Hibah and we wont tell a % amount. You are allowed to tell others what you received of course. The value of the Hibah is also related to the profit the bank is generating. We wont make false promises that we cant keep.
How to transfer isk to your Savings Account Send your investment to the corporation ISLAMIC BANK OF EVE to automatically create a savings account. The minimum investment is 500 million isk. All deposits made before Tuesday February 22th may Insha Allah (god willing) receive their Hibah on March 15th and on the 15th of each following month Insha Allah based on the profit calculations of the previous month. You can withdrawal your investment with a 48 hour delay, partial Hibah is not paid, so it may be clever to wait for the next 15th of the month if you dont need the money asap.
What is the Islamic Bank of EVE doing with the investments? All activities will be sharia approved. There is no drug/alcohol manufacturing, transport or trade. We also make sure to not sell prostitutes. The Islamic Bank of EVE will give out loans against collateral in a sharia-approved way to avoid Riba (interest). It is called Bai'al'inah (sale and buy-back agreement). The first round of investments will be used for already negotiated loan requests and a minor part of that for risk-free business operations. In the near future we plan to offer Bai'al'inah to the general public too.
Ingamechannel All males are welcome in our channel ISLAMBANK Females please dont come in the channel and write me evemail. I cant talk to you directly because i fear Allah.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.18 22:52:00 -
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Hasn't this troll been done before?
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.19 00:06:00 -
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I pretty much think that political and religious discussion is prohibited on this forum, but just in case, I've reported your post so that a forum moderator can have a look.
Good luck.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2011.02.19 00:15:00 -
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You should have at least lead with.... Do you wish for Allah's wealth!
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Abdullah al Wahhab
Islamic Bank of EVE
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Posted - 2011.02.19 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123 Hasn't this troll been done before?
This is no trolling. It is a serious offer for people who want feel safe about their investment.
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik I pretty much think that political and religious discussion is prohibited on this forum.
I see no political or religious discussion in this thread.
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Good luck.
Thank you.
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Princess Saerah
Amarr Phoenix Acquisitions
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Posted - 2011.02.19 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Princess Saerah on 19/02/2011 01:05:33 Edited by: Princess Saerah on 19/02/2011 01:04:54
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik I pretty much think that political and religious discussion is prohibited on this forum, but just in case, I've reported your post so that a forum moderator can have a look.
Good luck.
Oh calm down, I see names and references not a discussion or a belief / opinion being lunged at you. It's pretty much the same as how CCP named some of their ships after Greek Gods or Mythology. Just a reference because it sounds cool. If they guy came on and asked for investments to start an in game church I'd see it but not in this case. I think you're being a little excessive there.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.19 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Saerah Edited by: Princess Saerah on 19/02/2011 01:05:33 Edited by: Princess Saerah on 19/02/2011 01:04:54
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik I pretty much think that political and religious discussion is prohibited on this forum, but just in case, I've reported your post so that a forum moderator can have a look.
Good luck.
Oh calm down, I see names and references not a discussion or a belief / opinion being lunged at you. It's pretty much the same as how CCP named some of their ships after Greek Gods or Mythology. Just a reference because it sounds cool. If they guy came on and asked for investments to start an in game church I'd see it but not in this case. I think you're being a little excessive there.
Whenever a thread get started with religious or political beliefs involved, that thread, at some point, will be derailed using the beliefs of the original poster as a ground for flaming and or trolling - no matter what his beliefs are or how genuine (or not) the original post is. That's why a gaming company, such is CCP, generally have low tolerance for these kind of posts because they are potential troll magnets and can lead to lengthy pointless discussions about things that are not related to this forum or EVE Online in general, assuming, ofc. that the OP is not a troll in the first place. Combined with the fact that many developed countries in the world have laws against racial and religious hatred and that by not locking a thread CCP as a company takes risk by leaving it open to trolls, it's better for a company to have a policy for locking these kind of threads just to be safe.
Just in case OP isn't a troll, I politely wished him good luck with his business.
What's exactly excessive there?
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Darth Mustache
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.02.19 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Abdullah al Wahhab What is the Islamic Bank of EVE doing with the investments?
Stealth Bombers ?
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Tetris World
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Posted - 2011.02.19 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Mustache
Originally by: Abdullah al Wahhab What is the Islamic Bank of EVE doing with the investments?
Stealth Bombers ?
DO HO HO
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.02.19 01:42:00 -
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I surprised this excellent new business hasn't had a news item devoted to it yet!
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2011.02.19 01:47:00 -
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*yawn* No need to tiptoe round this. It is a troll. It is a scam. It's a poor parody.
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Kei Darker
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Posted - 2011.02.19 01:49:00 -
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I am quite sure that moderators are this very moment trying to think up a tactful way to shut this thread down and/or make it disappear.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.19 01:52:00 -
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Also pretty sure that if the 'great Allah' knows and controls everything then he can see through your plan of avoiding interest by giving out a 'Hibah' instead .. So if you ARE sincere, you are a sinner, and if you aren't sincere you are a troll+sinner. Which are you?
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.19 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Varo Jan *yawn* No need to tiptoe round this. It is a troll. It is a scam. It's a poor parody.
No, but judging by the comments after my last post, I have a full right to say "I told you so"
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Abdullah al Wahhab
Islamic Bank of EVE
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Posted - 2011.02.19 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Abdullah al Wahhab on 19/02/2011 02:10:14
Originally by: Caldariftw123 Also pretty sure that if the 'great Allah' knows and controls everything then he can see through your plan of avoiding interest by giving out a 'Hibah' instead .. So if you ARE sincere, you are a sinner, and if you aren't sincere you are a troll+sinner. Which are you?
I dont want to go into too much detail because that would be a "religious discussion". If you look in google you will find all the information you need to know why Hibah is allowed and interest is not. If you dont want to search im ready for a discussion with you in my bankchannel tomorrow.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2011.02.19 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Abdullah al Wahhab Edited by: Abdullah al Wahhab on 19/02/2011 02:10:14
Originally by: Caldariftw123 Also pretty sure that if the 'great Allah' knows and controls everything then he can see through your plan of avoiding interest by giving out a 'Hibah' instead .. So if you ARE sincere, you are a sinner, and if you aren't sincere you are a troll+sinner. Which are you?
I dont want to go into too much detail because that would be a "religious discussion". If you look in google you will find all the information you need to know why Hibah is allowed and interest is not. If you dont want to search im ready for a discussion with you in my bankchannel tomorrow.
Yeah I know about it .. *winkwinknudgenudge* Here's your gift, it just so happens to be X % and is the same that everyone gets, but it's "not interest" .. yeah Allah wont see through that one at all. I think the idea behind religious laws is not for it's followers to find loopholes for their own gain. If God exists he'd probably be ****ed at it.
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Teladius
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Posted - 2011.02.19 02:36:00 -
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i am quite interested in this bank. i want a sharia friendly way to fund my jihad against the miners that are raping the resources from my local area. I find it to be quite disheartening that big corporations come into my area and steal all our resources, thus leaving the locals in the area to live in little huts and live on bread and water. But even though the corporate miners come into my area with big ships, a cunning jihadist in a small ship hiding amongst the asteroids can let off a few volleys to destroy the mighty ships of the imperialist invaders. I plead with all you abdullah's out there to pour your sharia friendly hard earned isk into this bank and together we shall defeat the thieves that steal our stuffs.
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Creiter
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Posted - 2011.02.19 04:31:00 -
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Originally by: Abdullah al Wahhab The Islamic Bank of EVE is sharia-approved now and got permission to offer you to invest.
OP: Hey, I got this really cool idea for a scam. I know a little bit about middle east customs and beliefs, it just may work. TO THE FORUMS!!!!
Go RP amongst friends, you are trying way to hard. There is nothing backing up your "Bank" but some promise/goodwill/****poor excuse to gain trust, it relys on human greed and stupidity to succeed. You can color code your deity of choice as a distraction all you want, it doesn't prove anything that God/Allah/Buddah/Neighbor's cat support your ideals. If you want to be really cleaver, go offer some local freighter spam contracts that include a Python mine and shout like Zena: Warrior princess when someone clicks accept and ends up with carbon or join in on Hulkageddon and call it insurgent strikes.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.02.19 04:51:00 -
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This one has the potential to be interesting for a lot of reasons - all of them wrong.
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Florestan Bronstein
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Posted - 2011.02.19 07:11:00 -
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alternative way to do things:
Bank sells the depositor 1 Tritanium for x ISK.
Bank agrees to buy back 1 Tritanium for x*(1+i)^n ISK at some defined point in the future.
Short selling meets ebay's paperclip => Allah is happy (if you assume a god would really only care about formal requirements and not about your intentions) and interest is guaranteed.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2011.02.19 07:31:00 -
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Are you only interested in providing clear statements based on facts and logic and then allow the individual decide for themselves who they would like to invest in? There have always been people who invested in the existence of great business and there have always been those who have denied in profit existence. We must realize there are those who will never believe no matter how much proof or evidence you produce. The reason is some people don't want to believe in a sharia-aproved business. They would not like to consider one day they will have to answer for their foolishness and for their refusal to demand collateral. We come to know it is not so much a matter of you trying to convey your beliefs as it is for them to set aside preconceived prejudices against proper morale. Meaning: this is really a matter of guidance from Above. If they refuse even with evident proofs in front of them, this is not between you and them; it is between them and their Creator. It is not your job to "prove" anything to anyone. You only need to present the facts in truth and allow the listener to make up their own mind.
You just began with simple logic. When something is right in front of our eyes it is difficult to deny it, right? Asking rhetorical questions can be very helpful in presenting your case. Begin by asking the question; "Can you prove I scam?" Yes, of course we can not. You merely use our senses to determine what we can see, hear, feel, smell, taste and you have emotions as well. All of this is a part of your business model. But this is not how we perceive God in Islam. We can look to the things He has created and the way He cares for things and sustains us, to know there is no doubt of His existence.
One approach is to suggest simple yet convincing experiments anyone could comprehend. For instance, say to someone, "Consider this the next time you are looking up at the moon or the stars on a clear night; could you drop a thread on MD and expect it would hit the disk drives and on impact it would not shatter, but it would divide up into little smaller loans, with plenty of interest in them? Of course not."
Another example is have us consider what might happen if a tornado came through a junkyard and tore through the old buses; would it leave behind a nice new IPO with the keyboard still warm and the auditor finding nothing left over? Naturally not.
Or ask someone to consider what it would be like if someone told us about a fast food restaurant operating itself without any people there? The food just cooks itself, files from the kitchen to the table and then when we are done, the dishes jump back the kitchen to wash themselves. This is too crazy for anyone to even think about.
After reflecting on all of the above, how could we look to the EVE forum above us through a telescope or observe the cells in a microscope and then think all of this came about as a result of a "big bang" or some "accident"?
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.19 08:26:00 -
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Trolling and religious discussions are not allowed on these forums.
Thread locked.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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