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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.02.24 15:20:00 -
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Drake gets BC skill "5% bonus kinetic damage of heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles per level"
What is the % that npcs are weak to certain types of damage? Im trying to see if its even worth it to buy multiple ammo types in a Drake or just use Kenetic for the bonus
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Ziaxi
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Posted - 2011.02.24 15:40:00 -
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Rule of thumb is that for kinetic-bonused ships: use EM for bloods, sansha and drones, explosive for angels and kinetic for everything else.
If you want to play with some numbers yourself, find an NPC database like http://eveinfo.com/npcships/* and check the resists for yourself.
* not sure if this one is up-to-date
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Von Kroll
Caldari Kroll's Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.24 16:33:00 -
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With BC V trained, kinetic all the time in PvE for me. There's probably a break-even point around BC III to BC IV where it makes more sense to use racial damage types below, and kinetic only above. In Fleet/gang PvP, I mostly carry EM and Kinetic. I shoot EM at other Drakes (if its a Drake heavy fleet (which most are these days)) and kinetic at everything else since swapping ammo mid-fight isn't practical. Explosive may be useful if there's a lot of Myrms, but I rarely carry it since 1v1, Drake vs. Myrm isn't a good idea anyway and in a mixed gang, better to just shoot kinetic like I said before. The Hookbill is the only kinetic bonused ship I use where I carry all ammo types, since it gets a smaller bonus for all ammo types and most engagements are 1v1 or small gang vs small gang.
I haven't run the exact numbers here, so someone that has may prove me wrong.
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freshspree
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Posted - 2011.02.25 03:24:00 -
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It's the dumbest bonus I've seen in my life in terms of ship bonus even worse than optimal range bonus on caldari hybrid platforms. Just make it a bonus to all heavy and heavy assault missiles and we're good. That said, you should still use the recommended damage type for missions as the kin bonus won't really suffice in pve unless when your are up against guristas/serp/gallente/eom/insert another faction here.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.02.25 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: freshspree It's the dumbest bonus I've seen in my life in terms of ship bonus even worse than optimal range bonus on caldari hybrid platforms. Just make it a bonus to all heavy and heavy assault missiles and we're good. That said, you should still use the recommended damage type for missions as the kin bonus won't really suffice in pve unless when your are up against guristas/serp/gallente/eom/insert another faction here.
You get more than a 20% danage bonus for using racial damage types? I have BC to IV
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.02.25 04:06:00 -
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This is something you have to work out on a case by case basis. Use the site linked above, or Chruker's EVE database dump majigger to see the resists of the ships you are fighting, use something like EFT to work out your theoretical DPS using specific missile types, then run the figures for yourself. Don't expect the forums to do all the hard work for you.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.25 04:19:00 -
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EFT is screwy... it rounds up power grid and CPU, making impossible fits seem like you could use it in game but you cant cause it rounded up the PG or the cap |
AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2011.02.25 07:04:00 -
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Contrary to popular belief -> kinetic is great allaround damage for both PVE and PVP. And 20 - 25% bonus at BC IV or V respectively is great.
Only time I use EM missiles is on amarr rats (blood for example). Otherwise - damage bonus more then compensates for shooting non weakest resistance.
Regards
I.
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.25 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: AstarothPrime Contrary to popular belief -> kinetic is great allaround damage for both PVE and PVP. And 20 - 25% bonus at BC IV or V respectively is great.
Only time I use EM missiles is on amarr rats (blood for example). Otherwise - damage bonus more then compensates for shooting non weakest resistance.
Regards
I.
This.
In PvE use kinetic against everything but Blood and Sansha if you have at least Battlecruisers level 4.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2011.02.25 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: GyokZoli
Originally by: AstarothPrime Contrary to popular belief -> kinetic is great allaround damage for both PVE and PVP. And 20 - 25% bonus at BC IV or V respectively is great.
Only time I use EM missiles is on amarr rats (blood for example). Otherwise - damage bonus more then compensates for shooting non weakest resistance.
Regards
I.
This.
In PvE use kinetic against everything but Blood and Sansha if you have at least Battlecruisers level 4.
yup same here, scourge was by far the easest all round missile to bother stocking, only blood/sansha get special damage type treatment.
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Kneebone
Heathens' Harbor
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:01:00 -
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I'd take the ROF bonus of the Raven on a Drake personally. It could just be that the purpose of your life is to server as a warning to others. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari GloboTech Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Richard Aiel on 25/02/2011 20:42:08
Originally by: Kneebone I'd take the ROF bonus of the Raven on a Drake personally.
then why the heck is the drake so popular lol ----------------------------------------- If you dont learn from the past you are doomed to repeat it http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1469262&page=2#51 |
Adian Grey
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel Edited by: Richard Aiel on 25/02/2011 20:42:08
Originally by: Kneebone I'd take the ROF bonus of the Raven on a Drake personally.
then why the heck is the drake so popular lol
Pick from any of the threads that are constantly on going about that...
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.02.25 21:01:00 -
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Well, given that Im using it to run lvl II/III missions not IV or anything, I was mostly just curious lol
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Main ForumAlt
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Posted - 2011.02.25 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Richard Aiel Edited by: Richard Aiel on 25/02/2011 20:42:08
Originally by: Kneebone I'd take the ROF bonus of the Raven on a Drake personally.
then why the heck is the drake so popular lol
Well, lesse...
The ship's got two bonuses. We've established that it's isn't one of them that's great. It's universally seen as a great ship.
Wow - this is a stumper!
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DeadNite
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.26 18:03:00 -
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Drakes are popular because you can tank the **** out of them. Also, as a result rarely do drakes get primaried unless they are the only thing to shoot at. It is also easy to apply the deeps with a HML drake without worrying about range. Finally, most people are Caldari...and drakes are cheap as hell. ================== It is, what it is. |
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