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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:28:00 -
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Pilot and star system names have been changed to protect the innocent.
New Eden is a strange, and wonderful place where almost anything can happen. Many times I have read stories of betrayal, empires falling, and how the actions of one player can affect the lives of hundreds of others, and destabilize an entire region.
This is one of those stories, that illustrates what makes this game unlike any other.
Allow me a bit of back story;
I am a pilot in a small pirate corporation. We are the scum of the EVE universe, the most hated of the hated.
We are the ones who wait on the lowsec gates, and kill those foolish enough to come through, interested only in the contents of their cargo holds, and the bragging rights the inevitable killmail holds.
While camping a stargate in an outlying region our corporation CEO, guild boss to those uninitiated to the world of EVE decided he was bored. Gatecamping can be a dull, dull excercise, and nothing had come through for a good 40 minutes. "Camping this gate is dull, I'm going to go out", he said. An hour passed, a few foolish newbies fell to our guns, tears were spilt and harsh words delivered. We laughed about it. We even bagged a battleships, which fell quickly to our superior numbers.
Suddenly our CEO came back online. " o/ ", the standard greeting in EVE online was posted to our chat channel, but met with no response from him. Eventually both of his accounts came online, but he remained silent.
Two ships drop out of warp near our gate camp, and jump through the gate. A cargo vessel and a frigate. Our CEO, and his alt account. " o/ " again in the local system chat channel "Blade, get a combat ship come and join us! We've got some good kills today"
Again, no response. Three more times this happens, at which point we are becoming suspicious. Generally in EVE, it is a bad thing if someone is running a cargo vessel out of low security space, back to empire. It only means one thing: they are moving out. As the head of our corp, this could only mean one of two things: betrayal, or his account had been hacked and someone was stealing his assets.
A quick meeting of the corporate directors was called, as well as some mutual friends.
"What is Blade doing?" .. "He must be going rogue" .. "We need to stop this from happening, he could steal many of our assets" .. A quick check of our corporate hanger, and POS (player owned station) revealed nothing was missing, except for Blade's personal assets. All that remained in his hanger was his newly acquired Caldari carrier. A powerful starship that represents a strategic military resource to all of the players living in the star system.
A quick decision was made, the next time Blade jumped through we would interdict his ship, holding it immobile in space and thus forcing him to communicate with us.
Like a moth to the flame he jumped through again, and his Condor class frigate was quickly warp scrambled and webbed. Suddenly, Blade did the unthinkable, he ejected from the ship and warped away in his escape pod.
Frustrated with the situation, our director Luigi vaporised the small abandoned vessel with a single volley from his array of auto-cannons.
"This is not right, this is not Blade.. He would say something" Luigi stated. I agreed. The only way I knew of to reach Blade was through facebook.
Luckily, he was online.
"What are you doing Blade?" û Me
"What you you mean?" û Blade
"You are moving your stuff out of Alderaan, are you betraying us?" û Me
"What are you on about? I'm not even playing EVE. I am at a mates house" û Blade
At this point it all became too clear. Someone had hacked Blades accounts. RMT's as they are called. Real Money Traders.. They would sell every scrap he owned, and disseminate the money to their friends where it could never be recovered, and sell that money to people for real world cash. 'Gold Farmers' as they are called in most online games.
(continued)
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:30:00 -
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scum. The only scum that even space pirates look down on.
As the realization hit that their ultimate goal was the carrier, I communicated what was happening to our small fleet.
"Check the station, make sure the carrier is there" commanded the FC (fleet commander), "and everyone warp to the station immediately and ready your warp disruptors and scramblers. We have to web the carrier if it undocks, to prevent it from jumping out."
You see, our low security home has no refinery, and a poor market, thus selling the carrier there was not an option for the hacker as nobody would buy it, and he could not 'refine' it to its base minerals there either.. We knew he would have to execute an FTL jump out of the system, an ability unique to carriers and a few other capitol ships in order to sell it. We could stop him.
"This guy is a Cockroach." our fleet commander stated, venom in his voice.
As everyone was coordinating, I was furiously communicating with Blade on facebook, and relaying information to the fleet. His account had indeed been hacked. He was at a friends house, and was downloading EVE. He had changed his account passwords, but this did not disconnect the hacker. Until he could download and log into the game, he could not bump the hacker off of the account. He estimated less than an hour for the download to finish
Surely enough, the hacker undocked his carrier moments later, only to see 10 friendly battlecruisers and a carrier waiting for him. Immediately we targetted, scrambled and webbed the vessel, rendering it helpless to escape. It opened fire on one of us. The space station responded in kind by opening fire on the carrier, and us for perpetrating hostile action outside the station. Thankfully our logistics ships were able to keep everyone's armor regenerating, even Blade's carrier which the hacker seemed to be trying to get destroyed by the sentry guns.
We were at a standoff. The hacker was pinned. It was now a waiting game, would Blade regain control of his accounts first, would we run out of time and have to log out letting him get away? Of course he had no way of knowing Blade was furiously trying to regain control of his accounts, and was in contact with us via facebook.
This standoff continued for almost an hour. Us not budging, the hacker unable to do anything but wait. Sentry guns firing, and warp disruptor beams trained on the carrier.
Finally he spoke. "You know this thing carries smartbombs, right" These heinous weapons could wipe us out if he activated them, not to mention the arsenal of fighter drones he was carrying in his bay. However he never launched them. We can only assume he did not have the skills to do so, or had some other plan.
"For the greater glory of the empire" I responded.
Finally, Blade managed to regain control of one of his accounts, not the carrier pilot. He undocked a small frigate to see his billion credit flagship under attack by a friendly fleet and the station "Oh my God, you guys were not sh**ing me were you?"
Unable to login to the main account, as the hacker had changed the password, it took a few minutes for him to reset the password and log into that one. Upon reconnecting, and bumping off the hacker I asked him a question only he would know the answer to, and he responded correctly.
"It's over guys, Blade is in control. Cease fire and release the carrier. We have won the day."
As our warp disruptors and repair beams powered down, Blade docked and began an inventory of his assets.
Everything had been moved to a nearby high security station, and a courier contract had been put up to have it shipped to a local market hub, where the hacker no doubt intended to sell it before he was caught. Blade cancelled the shipping contract and we all breathed a sigh of relief.
4 hours since the hacker had come online, we were victorious, and had prevented the perpetration of a heinous real world crime.
Just another day in New Eden.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Bumblefck on 24/02/2011 19:31:10 pipped to the post :(
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Crooked Cross
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:35:00 -
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Well done, and a good read.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:46:00 -
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Nice! ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
XenosisReaper
Rising Ashes Inc. Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:48:00 -
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Best post in GD in....ages? I actually cheered
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar STRAG3S STRAG3S.INC
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:50:00 -
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A good read. +1
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Zaotome
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:54:00 -
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nice storytelling! even if i dont like pirates that much, i rather loose a ship to pirates instead of hackers^^
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Torie Foster
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:54:00 -
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Great post!
Time to update passwords!
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Evil Aye
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:55:00 -
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Good Aye. Slave |
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:55:00 -
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Surprised he didn't just give you his new password and account name at that point and you could've saved the day a few hours quicker... Still a great story though!
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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VE3DVY
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:57:00 -
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One of the best posts I've seen in a long time. Bravo brother, er. pirate scum?
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.24 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: PieRat scummm on 24/02/2011 19:58:48
Originally by: Stick Cult Surprised he didn't just give you his new password and account name at that point and you could've saved the day a few hours quicker... Still a great story though!
A fair point.
Until he regained control and undocked and saw it himself, he didn't believe us :) Likely thought I was trying to do the same thing the hacker was.
Trust no one, first rule of EVE. :)
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Serge Bastana
Gallente GWA Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:00:00 -
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Good stuff ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people! Welcome to eve where your sensibilities are a liability |
Telvani
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:07:00 -
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your CEO should probably inject the fighters skill now |
Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:09:00 -
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if that hacker was a little smarter he could have initiated self destruct - and got full insurance payout
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Telvani your CEO should probably inject the fighters skill now
a good point.. he has it.. we can only guess as to why the hacker did not fully attack, or self-destruct.. perhaps he had backup coming in to kill us.
we will never know.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:19:00 -
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also, the fact that both accounts were taken over at same time would suggest that the physical computer of the player is infected with keylogger or other malicious software
I'd recommend reformatting
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron also, the fact that both accounts were taken over at same time would suggest that the physical computer of the player is infected with keylogger or other malicious software
I'd recommend reformatting
Or just a virus scan...
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:20:00 -
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+10 steps ahead guys :)
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron also, the fact that both accounts were taken over at same time would suggest that the physical computer of the player is infected with keylogger or other malicious software
I'd recommend reformatting
A lot of the time the victim used the same credentials to sign up for a website and the website was hacked. A LOT of login credentials for MMOs are stolen this way. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Illwill Bill
Reign of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:22:00 -
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Cool story bro. No really, it was!
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Malen Nenokal
The Nightshift
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:26:00 -
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Would read again, nice story.
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Alexi Komanov
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:35:00 -
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+1 my good sir
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Bek Thyron
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:37:00 -
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Great story, great action. +1
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:42:00 -
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Imagining...
[mask pulled off]
"And I would've gotten away with it, too. If it hadn't been for you meddling kids."
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:45:00 -
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Nice story and good for your CEO to have recovered the stuff, but would it not be simpler for him to file a petition instead than downloading EVE?
Maybe CCP could even have got some useful information about the hacker getting him redhanded.
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.24 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul Nice story and good for your CEO to have recovered the stuff, but would it not be simpler for him to file a petition instead than downloading EVE?
Maybe CCP could even have got some useful information about the hacker getting him redhanded.
There are many ways to skin a cat. It was a hectic situation.. This is just how it unfolded.. Hindsight and bleacher views are always 20/20.. In the heat of the moment, what needs to be done is done.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.02.24 21:42:00 -
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Even scum as yourself don't deserve this type of theft, good work!
***** Signature may appear without warning! ***** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.02.24 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul Nice story and good for your CEO to have recovered the stuff, but would it not be simpler for him to file a petition instead than downloading EVE?
Maybe CCP could even have got some useful information about the hacker getting him redhanded.
By the time they got around to the petition all his stuff would have been gone and possibly all of the corp's stuff, maybe even biomassed the character. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.24 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Venkul Mul Nice story and good for your CEO to have recovered the stuff, but would it not be simpler for him to file a petition instead than downloading EVE?
Maybe CCP could even have got some useful information about the hacker getting him redhanded.
By the time they got around to the petition all his stuff would have been gone and possibly all of the corp's stuff, maybe even biomassed the character.
27 hours later they still have not even responded to the petition .. so .. yea :)
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Valerius
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
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Posted - 2011.02.24 21:51:00 -
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so you contacted your ceo... he used his friends computer to download eve, install it, patch it and then log in which took 4h INSTEAD of giving the details to you and letting you bump off the hacker which would have taken 30s?
Also a hacker in a situation like that would have self destructed the ship and not just sat there doing nothing on undock for an hour.
I call bull tbh ___________________________
Bringing Lag to a place near you since 2004
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Atedar Kerane
Silentium Mortalitas
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Posted - 2011.02.24 21:52:00 -
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You just won EVE Online. Gratz
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.24 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Valerius so you contacted your ceo... he used his friends computer to download eve, install it, patch it and then log in which took 4h INSTEAD of giving the details to you and letting you bump off the hacker which would have taken 30s?
Also a hacker in a situation like that would have self destructed the ship and not just sat there doing nothing on undock for an hour.
I call bull tbh
erm no.. the hacker was active for 4 hours on the account.. it took us 2 and a half to realize what was going on.. and it took him about 40 minutes to download and install on a 50 mbit connection :P
i asked him for his passwords, he refused.. his reasons are his own .. he likely knew worst case scenario he could petition and get everything back
as for bull, hey man.. it happened.. pretty much as i described it .. if you choose not to believe me, well.. that's your perogative..
as for why the hacker didn't pop the ship.. well.. who knows.. we were all waiting for him to, and he didnt.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.24 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: PieRat scummm
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Venkul Mul Nice story and good for your CEO to have recovered the stuff, but would it not be simpler for him to file a petition instead than downloading EVE?
Maybe CCP could even have got some useful information about the hacker getting him redhanded.
By the time they got around to the petition all his stuff would have been gone and possibly all of the corp's stuff, maybe even biomassed the character.
27 hours later they still have not even responded to the petition .. so .. yea :)
What category?
The only one applicable seem to be "struck" as he couldn't log in and that one usually get a fast reply.
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Laurabelle Okaski
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Posted - 2011.02.24 22:19:00 -
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Quote: Pilot and star system names have been changed to protect the innocent.
This made me giggle a bit.
However, overall this is a very well told and heart touching story. I never thought that I would say this to some pirates . . . give me a second . . . good job. *lets out a breath*
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.02.24 22:29:00 -
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SWEETNESS! I loved this!
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Stu Pendisdick
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.02.24 22:30:00 -
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You lot saved your mate. Seriously. Had he taken the petition route instead of having your assistance and the opportunity, he would be out all, if not the significant portion of his assets.
I speak from direct experience. My account was hacked in the early hours recently. I logged on mid-theft. I changed all the passwords and petitioned, and when CCP finally got around to answering it 3 days later, of course, all the assets were gone, "sold to 'innocent' players" and not able to be returned.
Of course I protested, 'innocent' players my ass, etc. and I had to tolerate the indignation of being accused of buying ISK, etc. until I pressed the point by demanding an account audit.
Brute force hacking DOES occur in this game. It happens a damn sight more than I think is let on.
Good job on saving your mate. Good mates are hard to come by.
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theocratis
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Posted - 2011.02.24 23:22:00 -
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honor among thieves.
congrats had me cheering you guys on there.
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Verkala Ven
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Posted - 2011.02.24 23:36:00 -
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So, let me make sure I understand this.
It was in low-sec. Someone hacked your CEO's account(s).
He then proceeded to try to fly a bunch of random stuff out of low sec. He never contracted anything over to anyone else (like a nameless alt). He never touched the corp hangar. He didn't clean out the wallet. He never self-destructed the carrier, or the pod, despite being stuck there for an hour. He also never tried to redock the carrier in that time.
Uhm... Yeah. Sorry, I'm having to go with fiction here. Entertaining fiction, to be sure, but fiction nonetheless. Either that or the dumbest hacker in the history of EVE.
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.24 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Verkala Ven So, let me make sure I understand this.
It was in low-sec. Someone hacked your CEO's account(s).
He then proceeded to try to fly a bunch of random stuff out of low sec. He never contracted anything over to anyone else (like a nameless alt). He never touched the corp hangar. He didn't clean out the wallet. He never self-destructed the carrier, or the pod, despite being stuck there for an hour. He also never tried to redock the carrier in that time.
Uhm... Yeah. Sorry, I'm having to go with fiction here. Entertaining fiction, to be sure, but fiction nonetheless. Either that or the dumbest hacker in the history of EVE.
Well it ain't fiction, and yea you got it straight.. So i guess it was option b :P
Really, why would i make this **** up guys?? LOL
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Sahmul
The Grimreapers.
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Posted - 2011.02.25 00:14:00 -
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Good story
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Grumpymunky
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Posted - 2011.02.25 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: PieRat scummm Immediately we targetted, scrambled and webbed the vessel, rendering it helpless to escape. It opened fire on one of us. The space station responded in kind by opening fire on the carrier, and us for perpetrating hostile action outside the station.
Confirming station guns will do this when you fire on your own corp members.
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Val Amora
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Posted - 2011.02.25 01:10:00 -
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why did he just not give you his PW/account an hour earlier?
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Ai Shun
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.25 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Val Amora why did he just not give you his PW/account an hour earlier?
Oh look! An original, unanswered question. No, wait. Damn you David Attenborough. That's actually just a Spotted Warbler.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.02.25 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Val Amora why did he just not give you his PW/account an hour earlier?
If your corp mate suddenly messaged you on MSN or something, knowing you can't login right now, asking you to give him your login info cause some hacker just took your account. Would you just give everything to him?
This is EVE we are talking about, a game that promotes treachery and scamming
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Hungry Hungry Hobo
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Posted - 2011.02.25 01:37:00 -
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I call BS. 1. Shooting corp members does not aggro gate guns. 2. The RMT would have transferred all the items over to an alt straight away and moved them from there and not used that character to ship them out slowly but surely. 3. Logging onto an account that is already logged in does not bump them offline ;)
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Unit757
North Point
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Posted - 2011.02.25 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Hungry Hungry Hobo 3. Logging onto an account that is already logged in does not bump them offline ;)
It does, I remember trying to log onto my account a while back to use another character, while already being logged on with my main. Instantly boots the character already on to the log in screen. |
Lex Dante
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Posted - 2011.02.25 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: Lex Dante on 25/02/2011 01:46:44
Originally by: Hungry Hungry Hobo 3. Logging onto an account that is already logged in does not bump them offline ;)
I regularly transfer between my desktop & laptop by logging onto one while still logged onto the other. I've never had it not disconnect the original connection.
I call BS on your BS.
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FeralShadow
RipStar Mining Industries United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.25 02:03:00 -
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Very well done sir and corpmates. It's awesome people are still this astute. _______________________________________________ "If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.25 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Hungry Hungry Hobo I call BS. 1. Shooting corp members does not aggro gate guns. 2. The RMT would have transferred all the items over to an alt straight away and moved them from there and not used that character to ship them out slowly but surely. 3. Logging onto an account that is already logged in does not bump them offline ;)
1. the fleet was 9, only 3 were corp members 2. idk *shrugs* he didn't :P 3. uhh.. yes it does
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Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.02.25 03:31:00 -
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tl;dr
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syphurous
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.02.25 03:39:00 -
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All my petitions have been answered within minutes.
Mission in Progress, stuck of course always the fastest. Though EULA / Exploit would probably get the same attention.
Account would've been locked down for a couple days, but it would've stopped right then and there.
Of course he has the skills to use the smartbombs, he was in your CEO's account,....
Inconsistencies dont make this story sound very true,.. Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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St Mio
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.02.25 05:45:00 -
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Well written +1
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.02.25 06:10:00 -
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Might be BS, might not. Who cares, entertaining nonetheless.
As for a couple points raised here.
--Gate guns not shooting corpmates Coulda been a group of mixed corpmates and blues. All he had to do was shoot a blue to flag up.
--Hacker would have done xyz Nobody said he was smart Also makes sense that the guy would move everything out with the CEO account, it was a lowsec system with the gates camped, how much luck would he have had moving everything with his neutral alt?
--Petitioning CCP woulda fixed it erm, no. Had a mate that had his account hacked and over 15bil of assets and cash stolen. CCP's paraphrased response 'Oh well, not our fault. Use a better password'
--Logging same account twice doesn't boot first account lol no Stop pulling information outta your ass and shut ya nublicious face-hole.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group Fleet Coordination Coalition
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Posted - 2011.02.25 06:11:00 -
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I hope a lesson was learned.
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July Shine
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Posted - 2011.02.25 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul Nice story and good for your CEO to have recovered the stuff, but would it not be simpler for him to file a petition instead than downloading EVE?
Maybe CCP could even have got some useful information about the hacker getting him redhanded.
This. It's so bad that these thieves (they are not hackers, they are criminals) can steal and do whatever they want and never being caught. No one was caught, ever. So sad.
Anyway, good story, nice corp, lucky CEO.
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Helixios
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.25 06:20:00 -
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Smartbombs can't be activated on the undock. - Battle Dust Proposal |
Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.02.25 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 25/02/2011 07:37:30
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Ephemeron also, the fact that both accounts were taken over at same time would suggest that the physical computer of the player is infected with keylogger or other malicious software
I'd recommend reformatting
A lot of the time the victim used the same credentials to sign up for a website and the website was hacked. A LOT of login credentials for MMOs are stolen this way.
There used to be a program that scramled your keystrokes so this wouldnt be possible or at least a bit harder (yea nothing stays impossible long lol).
Originally by: Stu Pendis**** You lot saved your mate. Seriously. Had he taken the petition route instead of having your assistance and the opportunity, he would be out all, if not the significant portion of his assets.
I speak from direct experience. My account was hacked in the early hours recently. I logged on mid-theft. I changed all the passwords and petitioned, and when CCP finally got around to answering it 3 days later, of course, all the assets were gone, "sold to 'innocent' players" and not able to be returned.
Of course I protested, 'innocent' players my ass, etc. and I had to tolerate the indignation of being accused of buying ISK, etc. until I pressed the point by demanding an account audit.
Yeah i love how EVE cant figure out where the isk goes and they cant seem to figure out anyone that gets isk from these guys isnt "innocent"
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Siona Windweaver
Placeholder Holdings
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Posted - 2011.02.25 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 25/02/2011 08:21:01 Tell your CEO to stop ninja botting with a separate account. He won't get hacked if he doesn't bot/buy ISK/do shady stuff.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.02.25 08:34:00 -
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The CEO is better to immediately clean his home computer before playing EvE again, otherwise the second he will start the game, the hacker will get his changed password and everything will be done again. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Mangala Solaris
Caldari Blue Republic
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Posted - 2011.02.25 09:21:00 -
[62]
Excellent read, with a good conclusion. Really made my morning.
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Eve Industrial Corp
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Posted - 2011.02.25 09:27:00 -
[63]
An awesome tale of teamwork, metagaming and hacking.
the devs can only replace so much. What you guys did you should be proud.
The CEO should break open the corp wallet and issue dividends on those that were present.
View The Eve Industrial Organiser Site
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.02.25 09:44:00 -
[64]
A suggestion for those that find themselves in a similar situation in the future.
If you can start immediately a vote to elect a new CEO. It will block the CEO access to corp wallet and hangars (unless something as changed from the last election I have seen).
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Hygron Pyr
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.02.25 09:46:00 -
[65]
Great story! Thanks for sharing.
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Raeza
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2011.02.25 09:47:00 -
[66]
Hahahaha that was strangely intense!
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha The CEO is better to immediately clean his home computer before playing EvE again, otherwise the second he will start the game, the hacker will get his changed password and everything will be done again.
just FYI... 90% of hacked accounts are due to people using the same username and password on other forums and online communities as they do for EVE... so to anyone who's a culprit of this, get your password changed!!
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Sharon Anne
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Posted - 2011.02.25 10:40:00 -
[67]
Nice story, but wtf as I was reading your post my anti-virus pops up into action fighting a Trojan. changing my pw now. (after the the 2nd scan and reboot. (runs iolo SMP)
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TigerXtrm
APEX ARDENT COALITION
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Posted - 2011.02.25 11:29:00 -
[68]
Good read and nice save!
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Airu Naari
The Noxious
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Posted - 2011.02.25 11:44:00 -
[69]
Was expecting another lame story or a bunch of whinery, but this was amusing ^_^
Nice story and glad you fended off the 'hacker' scum!
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Gypsy Band
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Posted - 2011.02.25 12:02:00 -
[70]
Nice story. I've had alliance mate become the victim of these ****s before, lost billions.
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Neamus
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Posted - 2011.02.25 12:20:00 -
[71]
Great story, and I'm glad that you caught it before too much damage was done.
I quite like the meta gaming that goes on in EvE, but I draw the line at account hacking, its lame.
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Minero Grosero
Minmatar La Groseria
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Posted - 2011.02.25 12:35:00 -
[72]
Real world hacker: "You know this thing carries smartbombs, right?"
Internet spaceship pirate: "For the greater glory of the empire!"
Simply hilarious...
+10
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Arnakoz
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Posted - 2011.02.25 12:43:00 -
[73]
lol, too cool! i just dont get why he didn't drop the smart bombs. obviously the account he was logged into had the skills - else they wouldn't be present.
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Chandaris
Gallente Lethal Devotion
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Posted - 2011.02.25 13:05:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Arnakoz lol, too cool! i just dont get why he didn't drop the smart bombs. obviously the account he was logged into had the skills - else they wouldn't be present.
You cannot drop smarties on a station undock. You have to be 2500 outside the station bubble
Great story +1!
:P
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CCP StevieSG
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Posted - 2011.02.25 14:08:00 -
[75]
Gosh that was an awesome read. I'm glad you got your stuff back!
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Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
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Posted - 2011.02.25 15:15:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Aessoroz on 25/02/2011 15:16:55 Edited by: Aessoroz on 25/02/2011 15:16:22
Originally by: Stu Pendis**** You lot saved your mate. Seriously. Had he taken the petition route instead of having your assistance and the opportunity, he would be out all, if not the significant portion of his assets.
I speak from direct experience. My account was hacked in the early hours recently. I logged on mid-theft. I changed all the passwords and petitioned, and when CCP finally got around to answering it 3 days later, of course, all the assets were gone, "sold to 'innocent' players" and not able to be returned.
Of course I protested, 'innocent' players my ass, etc. and I had to tolerate the indignation of being accused of buying ISK, etc. until I pressed the point by demanding an account audit.
Brute force hacking DOES occur in this game. It happens a damn sight more than I think is let on.
Good job on saving your mate. Good mates are hard to come by.
Actually brute force hacking doesn't occur in this game, there is an actual cooldown that goes in place if you fail too many times(don't even get me into how many password combinations can exist due to the 8 char limit and other chars required, needless to say, any attempt to brute force the possible combinations would essentially knock the login servers offline and take a few months). Also CCP will sure as hell notice 10k+ attempts in a small period of time. ****, even POS passwords have a scaling cooldown period(increases each time you change the pass) when attempting to brute force.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.25 15:58:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Siona Windweaver Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 25/02/2011 08:21:01 Tell your CEO to stop ninja botting with a separate account. He won't get hacked if he doesn't bot/buy ISK/do shady stuff.
sadly not true Ive never done any of this in any game but I got me WoW account stolen when I wasnt even playing the game. The inactive account was reactivated by someone other than me and played for a couple months. ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
Cintas
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Posted - 2011.02.25 16:36:00 -
[78]
Great story, actually just inspired me to change all my passwords lol..
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.02.25 16:42:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Arnakoz lol, too cool! i just dont get why he didn't drop the smart bombs. obviously the account he was logged into had the skills - else they wouldn't be present.
This is probably when the CEO (who had been pretending to be hacked in order to clean out the corp and run with the isk) realized he wasn't going to get away with it and cooled his jets.
As posted earlier...there are a lot of questions about things the "hacker" didn't do to make off with the isk.
And, conveniently nobody will know if the CEO filed an actual petition.
TL;DR - CEO got caught and got cold feet.
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JitaPriceChecker2
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Posted - 2011.02.25 16:45:00 -
[80]
Screenshot or it didnt happen.
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Stu Pendisdick
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.02.25 17:12:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Aessoroz ............Actually brute force hacking doesn't occur in this game, there is an actual cooldown that goes in place............
Right.
And hack bots can't wait x seconds between tries.
Wake up, lad.
The old password requirements were too easy to brute force. And they WERE brute forced.
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.02.25 17:17:00 -
[82]
Nice read, congrats you dirty no good gatecampers ;)
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The Old Chap
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Posted - 2011.02.25 17:40:00 -
[83]
My take: Your CEO got bored, flew off and decided to have some fun with you guys, staged the whole thing. A real hacker would have either transferred the stuff - personal and corp - to another player and shipped it out that way. But to ship it out in front of your eyes... And a hacker would have blown you guys with the carrier when you had it pinned down, or re-logged or something?
At least you had some fun out of it!
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BoBoZoBo
Foundation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2011.02.25 17:44:00 -
[84]
F*$K NICE! - GRRRRREAT Story - well written.
Only if the US Government was so quick to stop the banks from hacking our accounts!
HOOORAY TO YOU =========================
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.25 18:01:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Originally by: Arnakoz lol, too cool! i just dont get why he didn't drop the smart bombs. obviously the account he was logged into had the skills - else they wouldn't be present.
This is probably when the CEO (who had been pretending to be hacked in order to clean out the corp and run with the isk) realized he wasn't going to get away with it and cooled his jets.
As posted earlier...there are a lot of questions about things the "hacker" didn't do to make off with the isk.
And, conveniently nobody will know if the CEO filed an actual petition.
TL;DR - CEO got caught and got cold feet.
Hmm.. nope..
we have nothing in our corp hanger.. we are lowsec pirates man.. all we needs are pvp ships and a couple alts with cloaky haulers to bring us ****..
corp hangars are for carebear wimps and 0.0 corps :P
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Famble
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.02.25 18:26:00 -
[86]
Great read, glad I resisted the tl;dr urge!
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.02.25 18:36:00 -
[87]
Originally by: PieRat scummm
Hmm.. nope..
we have nothing in our corp hanger.. we are lowsec pirates man.. all we needs are pvp ships and a couple alts with cloaky haulers to bring us ****..
corp hangars are for carebear wimps and 0.0 corps :P
Originally by: OP
"What is Blade doing?" .. "He must be going rogue" .. "We need to stop this from happening, he could steal many of our assets" .. A quick check of our corporate hanger, and POS (player owned station) revealed nothing was missing, except for Blade's personal assets. All that remained in his hanger was his newly acquired Caldari carrier. A powerful starship that represents a strategic military resource to all of the players living in the star system.
Now the story is really starting to get interesting. First it was "quick...check the corp hangar and make sure none of our loots are missing." then it's "corp hangars are for carebear wimps and 0.0 corps."
"When is your reality going to be coming out on Blu-ray so we can all enjoy it?"
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.02.25 18:37:00 -
[88]
Originally by: CCP StevieSG Gosh that was an awesome read. I'm glad you got your stuff back!
lol, yeah, since the response time to hacking petitions get responded to so quickly.
Is there a petition category with a lower priority than hacking attempts?
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M3ta7h3ad
Caldari Phrixus Mot
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Posted - 2011.02.25 18:44:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Siona Windweaver Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 25/02/2011 08:21:01 Tell your CEO to stop ninja botting with a separate account. He won't get hacked if he doesn't bot/buy ISK/do shady stuff.
sadly not true Ive never done any of this in any game but I got me WoW account stolen when I wasnt even playing the game. The inactive account was reactivated by someone other than me and played for a couple months.
WOW is thataway ->>>>
EVE is here. Totally true. Obv doing zee dodgy stuffs! CEO should be investigated for RMT/Botting. ----- If you kill all the wolves, your gonna end up with a crapload of bunnies, and by bunnies I mean stupid people
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Hacra
Minmatar Cosmodynamics Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.02.25 18:56:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Valerius so you contacted your ceo... he used his friends computer to download eve, install it, patch it and then log in which took 4h INSTEAD of giving the details to you and letting you bump off the hacker which would have taken 30s?
Also a hacker in a situation like that would have self destructed the ship and not just sat there doing nothing on undock for an hour.
I call bull tbh
Russians aren't that smart.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2011.02.25 19:40:00 -
[91]
excellently written account, great show of support for your CEO and good team work.
Makes me wonder how different it might have been if you noticed any sooner/later.
Im sorry for this, but, i hope somthing like this happens again and you once again crush the theifs efforts and write another top notch post!
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.25 19:47:00 -
[92]
Edited by: PieRat scummm on 25/02/2011 19:54:05
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
Originally by: PieRat scummm
Hmm.. nope..
we have nothing in our corp hanger.. we are lowsec pirates man.. all we needs are pvp ships and a couple alts with cloaky haulers to bring us ****..
corp hangars are for carebear wimps and 0.0 corps :P
Originally by: OP
"What is Blade doing?" .. "He must be going rogue" .. "We need to stop this from happening, he could steal many of our assets" .. A quick check of our corporate hanger, and POS (player owned station) revealed nothing was missing, except for Blade's personal assets. All that remained in his hanger was his newly acquired Caldari carrier. A powerful starship that represents a strategic military resource to all of the players living in the star system.
Now the story is really starting to get interesting. First it was "quick...check the corp hangar and make sure none of our loots are missing." then it's "corp hangars are for carebear wimps and 0.0 corps."
"When is your reality going to be coming out on Blu-ray so we can all enjoy it?"
LOL ohhh my god you guys are really over-nitpicking this to ****.. LOL.. there is a certain amount of dramatic flair that went into this guys..
*I* do not use the corporate hangar, *I* don't know if the ceo keeps stuff in it.. as far as i know, it's not used in official capacity.. Did I check it anyways to see if it was empty or full? Of course I did.. I also checked his Personal hangar because I am a director and have rights to do so..
I didn't mention that.
I also didn't mention the part about the cane we accidentally popped on the friendly side when we cynoed in a Archon to help with the effort.
Consider this a historical drama, it is based on the events that occured, and is very accurate, however, I have left some parts out I felt were not relevant, and may have muddied a few of the facts.. It was written from *my* perspective of what happened.. not an absolute recreation of every single fact that transpired.. I do not know exactly what everyone did, what modules they ran, etc. etc. .. I am not even that experienced of a pvper, and do not fully understand all of the pvp mechanics of eve at times
"History is always re-told from the point of view of the victorious..."
Anyways.. haters gonna hate.. I'm not going to respond to anymore 'this is nitpicky 'why didn;'t you do this, or your story is false because xyz mechanic doesn't work that way'
I don't care if you all believe me, it happened :)
Cheers and signing off.
And damn.. should have taken a screenie.. did not even occur to any of us at the time :(
o7
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Meatay
Night Theifs Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:17:00 -
[93]
Nice read... Good work ----------------------------------------------
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Hrian d'Greedy
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:34:00 -
[94]
There are more holes in that story, than in some cheese variants, and it definitely smells cheesy.
Just two of the most obvious ones: - Any guy who is skilled / prepared enough to hack multiple accounts would most probably also have some spare alts he/she can contract the stuff to, instead of trying to 'move it' with the hacked characters. - Instead of downloading the client, the CEO should just have told you (or some friend playing EVE he trusts) the username and the changed pass, so you can bump the perp off the accounts, not giving the thief any more chances to cause harm.
So even though the story was a nice read, if it is true the way it happened, then it is... oh well, lets not insult our proud heroes here. The title should probably be changed to dumb 1 vs dumber 0 in that case.
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:42:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Hrian d'Greedy There are more holes in that story, than in some cheese variants, and it definitely smells cheesy.
Just two of the most obvious ones: - Any guy who is skilled / prepared enough to hack multiple accounts would most probably also have some spare alts he/she can contract the stuff to, instead of trying to 'move it' with the hacked characters. - Instead of downloading the client, the CEO should just have told you (or some friend playing EVE he trusts) the username and the changed pass, so you can bump the perp off the accounts, not giving the thief any more chances to cause harm.
So even though the story was a nice read, if it is true the way it happened, then it is... oh well, lets not insult our proud heroes here. The title should probably be changed to dumb 1 vs dumber 0 in that case.
Cool story, bro.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2011.02.25 20:56:00 -
[96]
Nice read!
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.25 21:02:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Chribba on 25/02/2011 21:03:21 Q, why didn't you just petition the accounts under exploits and have them shut down in minutes? GMs would have been able to see the (hopefully) odd IP's accessing it and closed them while investigating it.
edit/and obviously a great "fix" for the issue from your side, props for that. Good to see it sorted.
/c
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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AFK Master
AFK Chartered System Management
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Posted - 2011.02.25 21:13:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 25/02/2011 21:03:21 Q, why didn't you just petition the accounts under exploits and have them shut down in minutes? GMs would have been able to see the (hopefully) odd IP's accessing it and closed them while investigating it.
edit/and obviously a great "fix" for the issue from your side, props for that. Good to see it sorted.
/c
Hey Chribba, there is a char over on the new forums called Chribbo. His old pic was much like yours and his new one, like your pre redone new version. Is this your alt or just some wannabe?
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PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.25 21:20:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 25/02/2011 21:03:21 Q, why didn't you just petition the accounts under exploits and have them shut down in minutes? GMs would have been able to see the (hopefully) odd IP's accessing it and closed them while investigating it.
edit/and obviously a great "fix" for the issue from your side, props for that. Good to see it sorted.
/c
/me HUGGS CHRIBBA LIKE A TEDDY BEAW!!!! XD
we submitted a petition for sure man.. but it's not like we were just going to say 'ok petition filed, lets' all go mine!'
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.02.25 21:22:00 -
[100]
@AFK Master, not me, imposter using the new char creator to fake my face (which is old now btw)
@PieRat, great!
Secure 3rd party service | my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' |
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AFK Master
AFK Chartered System Management
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Posted - 2011.02.25 22:32:00 -
[101]
Edited by: AFK Master on 25/02/2011 22:34:12
Originally by: Chribba @AFK Master, not me, imposter using the new char creator to fake my face (which is old now btw)
Yea I saw it was the old new face, I hope you've petitioned the idiot.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.02.25 22:33:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Stu Pendis****
Originally by: Aessoroz ............Actually brute force hacking doesn't occur in this game, there is an actual cooldown that goes in place............
Right.
And hack bots can't wait x seconds between tries.
Wake up, lad.
The old password requirements were too easy to brute force. And they WERE brute forced.
wow....
Yep, brute forcing passwords, by testing one password every 5 or so seconds. sounds awesome brah, it'd only take 2 weeks to break a 3 character password
For the record, your pro hacking method would take 35 million years to break the minimum strength password CCP now requires, and over 100,000 times the age of the universe to break my password (srsly the number the brute calculator returned was so huge I don't even know what it's called)
For the further record, it'd need to be much much slower than one attempt every 5 seconds, you think CCP won't notice something strange when 720 incorrect passwords are attempted in a one hour period?
You're the one who needs to wake up buddy. People who get hacked have one of the following apply to them (most likely to least likely)
A) Have keylogger infection B) Share their account details with unscrupulous people C) Are idiots who use the same pw/username for multiple websites. Websites that either farm pw or have hackers farming pw.
Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3 |
Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.02.25 23:56:00 -
[103]
Originally by: PieRat scummm
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 25/02/2011 21:03:21 Q, why didn't you just petition the accounts under exploits and have them shut down in minutes? GMs would have been able to see the (hopefully) odd IP's accessing it and closed them while investigating it.
edit/and obviously a great "fix" for the issue from your side, props for that. Good to see it sorted.
/c
Thot u were pirates... you have miners too?
/me HUGGS CHRIBBA LIKE A TEDDY BEAW!!!! XD
we submitted a petition for sure man.. but it's not like we were just going to say 'ok petition filed, lets' all go mine!'
------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
captain foivos
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Posted - 2011.02.26 00:01:00 -
[104]
ITT: CCP gets trolled. -- Need a break from EVE? |
PieRat Scummm
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Posted - 2011.02.26 00:01:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Thot u were pirates... you have miners too?
That was sarcasm :)
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Zanes Shoubje
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Posted - 2011.02.26 00:12:00 -
[106]
<-EVE Fiction is that way
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Marcus Druallis
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.02.26 00:25:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Verkala Ven So, let me make sure I understand this.
It was in low-sec. Someone hacked your CEO's account(s).
He then proceeded to try to fly a bunch of random stuff out of low sec. He never contracted anything over to anyone else (like a nameless alt). He never touched the corp hangar. He didn't clean out the wallet. He never self-destructed the carrier, or the pod, despite being stuck there for an hour. He also never tried to redock the carrier in that time.
Uhm... Yeah. Sorry, I'm having to go with fiction here. Entertaining fiction, to be sure, but fiction nonetheless. Either that or the dumbest hacker in the history of EVE.
And for some reason the station attacked him for attacking corp members? --
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Avernus
Gallente Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.02.26 02:12:00 -
[108]
The very near same actually happened to me once a few years ago (3 I think), fairly similar situation being a CEO of a corp.
Hacker was only going for my personal assets however, perhaps he didn't realize my position in the corp, but when things got truly crazy, was the moment I logged in, and bumped him offline.
The guys online had thought I had just been going through my evemails or was stuck in convo's as often happened. I said hi, they did likewise, and I experienced a sudden disconnect. I logged back in and said it was odd that I dropped since my connection had been so stable lately. One of the guys said something to the effect that it was odd that it had happened twice in a row so fast.
I think to myself 'huh? twice?'. Then I disconnected again as the hacker relogged in.
HOLY FRACK! I logged back in again and dropped all roles, typing furiously in corp what was going on.
Disconnect.
I log back in. Look at my wallet, it's dry, 4 years worth of assets sucked away. I check journal and see where it's being transferred too.
Disconnect.
I log back in. People and places, search string 'GM A'. I start flying through the alphabet on a mad mission as I add GM's trying to find one online.
Disconnect.
I log back in and fire off a petition, I start up the client again and enter my account info without hitting enter so that I can recover from the bumps faster.
Disconnect.
I'm back on in 15 seconds flat and repeat the procedure. Corp is going nuts, pilots are scrambling to the station to make sure I don't go on a road trip. Bubbles up, fast lock tackle ready.
Disconnect.
I try to log back in.
Account has been disabled for investigation.
It seemed like an age while all this went on, but when the petition went in, my account got locked down in under 15 minutes flat.
Got everything back, the only sad aspect of it all was my single line employment history got nerfed as the GMs removed me from my corp for the investigation. Oh the humanity!
GMs got it right that day.
/pours a beer for the employment history
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Michwich
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Posted - 2011.02.26 03:54:00 -
[109]
Awww i was cheering for the hacker. Good story. But the hacker was your CEO.
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Jones Bones
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.02.26 06:46:00 -
[110]
Fake story, is fake.
If not your CEO is guilty of RMT and should be permabanned.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.02.26 11:50:00 -
[111]
Neat story.
The story does add up for the most part.
-Hacker probably didn't know of the guys roles in corp which is why the Corp Hanger/Wallet wasn't touched.
-The hacker probably uses courier contracts instead of just dumping stuff on an alt because then it will cause a link to that alt which gets it banned aswell. Courier contracts makes it "look legit".
-Hacker was probably waiting till he got all assets moved before clearing out the wallet. Since he was using courier contracts he had to keep isk in his wallet to set them up.
-The CEO giving his account info out could have worked but also he would be at risk of being banned for account sharing. Doing this also could have negated any help from CCP considering they would just blame it on that. Also this is EVE trust noone.
The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is why the hacker didn't just log off when the carrier was tackled. Would seem like a waste of time for him sitting there for 2+ Hours.
Also brute force doesn't work on EvE. Yes someone could create a program to space the attempts out however your talking about thousands of attempts which will obviously throw up red flags to CCP and will temp ban the account pending investigation.
Lastly logging on to a account WILL kick the active account off. Ive done this numerous times when I log into the wrong alt account and end up kicking my main off.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2011.02.26 12:04:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 25/02/2011 21:03:21 Q, why didn't you just petition the accounts under exploits and have them shut down in minutes? GMs would have been able to see the (hopefully) odd IP's accessing it and closed them while investigating it.
edit/and obviously a great "fix" for the issue from your side, props for that. Good to see it sorted.
/c
Well. Then it would of been just like every other hacked account where CCP allows you to keep characters that were hacked off of you as long as enough time has passed. I'm looking at you U Cak and Bong Me. Both accounts hacked off of my buddy that wasn't playing at the time and when he tried to get his accounts back he was basically told too bad, they are someone elses accounts now. Funny isn't it. CCPs stance on hacked accounts though is that if you hack and control a character for more than a year it's yours. They won't ban you for it. Everytime "U Cak" or "Bong Me" logs in I get reminded of that fact that CCP only cares about money and not the player. Since my buddy was inactive for so long and not paying his characters are now in the hands of a paying subscriber and **** all who they were made by.
But that is a different rant to be heard later and again, good job stepping up where CCP fails. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
Stu Pendisdick
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.02.26 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau ...............
Much pedantic bull**** spouted by a statistic lover with no grasp of reality or how hackers work or even basic pen testing is done.
Thank you for the giggle. I need a nice reminder like this every once in a while to keep me grounded as to the utter stupidity of imbeciles who think they know comp sec.
Simple minded morons that keep me in business. Gotta love em.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.02.26 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Stu Pendis****
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau ...............
Much pedantic bull**** spouted by a statistic lover with no grasp of reality or how hackers work or even basic pen testing is done.
Thank you for the giggle. I need a nice reminder like this every once in a while to keep me grounded as to the utter stupidity of imbeciles who think they know comp sec.
Simple minded morons that keep me in business. Gotta love em.
hah I don't know **** about comp sec, never claimed I did. Grasp of simple maths != degree in IT.
You however are the idiot who claimed brute force was rife in EVE, and that hackers would be able to brute force passwords at a rate of <1 password attempt per second. If you knew half of what you claim to know about comp sec you'd realise what an ridiculous and idiotic statement that is.
Feel free to backpedal on your statements all you like. Make up your mind on whether you're talking about dictionary list hacks, meta hacks, or true brute force, then your opinion might be worth a damn.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.02.26 19:20:00 -
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Nice story.
My take on it is that your ceo did it on purpose to 'liven up' the evening.
Mission acomplished if so.
Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
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Reeno Coleman
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Posted - 2011.02.26 19:44:00 -
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Nice story.
We were just hit ourselves, unfortunately not so lucky.
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Selinate
Amarr Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.02.26 19:45:00 -
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Some hacking asswipe got pwned. Epic.
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Stern Kyrenov
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Posted - 2011.02.26 23:24:00 -
[118]
tl;dr
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Birdman Ravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.27 05:00:00 -
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Great story. A while back I had the same thing happen to me. My ordeal was a lot less dramatic, a GM got wise to my account mysteriously going through a few billion isk in assets, losing it's first battleship ever (Big deal to a two year old mission runner char), and a strange new and overly generous alt - but the point is it does happen. RMT, buying isk, & shady stuff are not required, sometimes all it takes is an old password.
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X Dead
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Posted - 2011.02.27 23:41:00 -
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Just to make an observation, the fact that Eve Gate permits folks to log in with their "actual playing credentials" and people are incentivised (yes, English spelling) to use it then there will ipso facto be an increase in people logging in from insecure locations such as cyber cafes. Personally, I would expect the amount of account compromises to increase.
Welcome to the perverse world of security economics folks, where what is good for A (e.g. improved usability) is not necessarily good for B (greater "security") if not thought through and designed carefully. Personally, I would have let people create secondary credentials (maybe required them to) to use on Gate to separate the informational aspects from the asset access aspects. The proposed API stuff is a step in that direction but it looks like the left API hand didn't explain to the right Human Interface Gate hand why it's doing things the way it is...
There are other options (e.g. secondary credentials to authorise actions as opposed to access) but that's a contextual decision.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.28 04:02:00 -
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Flaw one in your story
Originally by: PieRat scummm Finally he spoke. "You know this thing carries smartbombs, right" These heinous weapons could wipe us out if he activated them, not to mention the arsenal of fighter drones he was carrying in his bay. However he never launched them. We can only assume he did not have the skills to do so, or had some other plan.
So you are saying your CEO didn't have the skills to use smartbombs. Seeing his account was hacked and he was using the CEO's character to transport stuff out to sell.
Flaw two in your tale
Originally by: PieRat scummm Thankfully our logistics ships were able to keep everyone's armor regenerating, even Blade's carrier which the hacker seemed to be trying to get destroyed by the sentry guns.
Seeing you are in the same corporation, please explain how combat between corp members triggers the sentry guns.
We know he didn't smartbomb and hit the station as you previously stated he didn't use smartbomb.
So I just put this story into the EVE Fiction department.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry Flaw one in your story
Originally by: PieRat scummm Finally he spoke. "You know this thing carries smartbombs, right" These heinous weapons could wipe us out if he activated them, not to mention the arsenal of fighter drones he was carrying in his bay. However he never launched them. We can only assume he did not have the skills to do so, or had some other plan.
So you are saying your CEO didn't have the skills to use smartbombs. Seeing his account was hacked and he was using the CEO's character to transport stuff out to sell.
Flaw two in your tale
Originally by: PieRat scummm Thankfully our logistics ships were able to keep everyone's armor regenerating, even Blade's carrier which the hacker seemed to be trying to get destroyed by the sentry guns.
Seeing you are in the same corporation, please explain how combat between corp members triggers the sentry guns.
We know he didn't smartbomb and hit the station as you previously stated he didn't use smartbomb.
So I just put this story into the EVE Fiction department.
Read the forum, these questions were already answered multiple times.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:35:00 -
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Nice story if a bit over embellished for dramatic flair.
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