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Blaad Booyashaka
4 Inches Of PAIN
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Posted - 2011.02.26 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Blaad Booyashaka on 26/02/2011 23:51:22 Edited by: Blaad Booyashaka on 26/02/2011 23:51:03 I would leave falloff bonus, but yeah nerf Dram plx.
(and give AFs 4th bonus ffs)
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III ZiggyBang
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.27 07:33:00 -
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+1
Nerf it to the ground & take a look at Cynabal too, they are making plex fights a joke.
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The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.27 09:12:00 -
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Sounds reasonable. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.27 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: III ZiggyBang +1
Nerf it to the ground & take a look at Cynabal too, they are making plex fights a joke.
Comparatively, Cynabal is p much fine. Slightly better than Vaga in some areas, slightly worse in others, IMHO so little "better" that balancing by price does work there ATM. FW being permabroken is a different subject :D (they should have tweaked the plex entry rules with the faction ship boost, no?) ----------
Prom4csm
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Chinwe Rhei
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.02.27 10:15:00 -
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Also put faction ships with their T2 equivalents in FW complexes instead of with T1.
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Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
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Posted - 2011.02.27 14:45:00 -
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The Dramiel ruined frigate pvp. ____________________________________________
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Tyrehl
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Posted - 2011.02.27 15:04:00 -
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I would be REALLY HAPPY to see CCP do something about the Dramiels. They really are an issue, nothing else. Go podcat pew-pew |
Tordin Varglund
Minmatar Vivicide
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Posted - 2011.02.27 15:52:00 -
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nERF DRAM BOOST BURST
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Raimo
Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.27 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tordin Varglund nERF DRAM BOOST BURST
You forgot to gief support ----------
Prom4csm
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Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.27 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Batolemaeus on 27/02/2011 16:11:42 Posting in an "Ephemeron makes himself look stupid"-thread.
Also:
:excellence:
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Podcat
Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.27 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tordin Varglund nERF DRAM BOOST BURST
speaking of which, the whole tier system for frigs and BC/BS etc should go and ships rebalanced and we would suddenly get 3 times the number of useful ships to play with instead of adding new ones. totally different issue tho and a lot of effort for CCP to pull off.
vid: Dishonor - combat evolved |
Dwergi
No.Mercy Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.02.27 17:03:00 -
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Completely agree.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.02.27 17:32:00 -
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So basically OP wants to change Dramiel into a Firetail with fitting issues, where you pay 40mill for 2 drones.
For the sake of balance, not supporting.
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Raimo
Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.27 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor So basically OP wants to change Dramiel into a Firetail with fitting issues, where you pay 40mill for 2 drones.
For the sake of balance, not supporting.
Still loads faster, and "for the sake of balance"??? ----------
Prom4csm
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Marconus Orion
Global Criminal Countdown
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Posted - 2011.02.27 17:53:00 -
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Badger > Dramiel
Supported ofc. Would be nice if flying something other than a Dramiel was an option again.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.02.27 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo
Still loads faster
No, the speed he describes in the OP is exactly what Firetail does under web with faction AB.
Originally by: Raimo
and "for the sake of balance"???
A pirate faction frigate should offer something over a navy faction frigate, dont you think?
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2011.02.27 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor
A pirate faction frigate should offer something over a navy faction frigate, dont you think?
Like, say, >20% more DPS plus more speed and substantially better agility, you mean? Signature removed. |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.02.27 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 27/02/2011 18:44:55
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Originally by: Lilith Velkor
A pirate faction frigate should offer something over a navy faction frigate, dont you think?
Like, say, >20% more DPS plus more speed and substantially better agility, you mean?
Obviously not speed if you read the OP.
On the damage output I'd be sold if it was fully turret based, and agility does tend to rapidly diminish in actual value once you reach a certain base treshold.
As lined out in the OP, it wouldnt be worth the pricetag given the alternative is less than half the price for 90% the performance.
Ed: I can see the scanres nerf argument tho, and probably dropping 5m¦ drone bandwidth, but thats pretty much it.
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Tordin Varglund
Minmatar Vivicide
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Posted - 2011.02.27 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Tordin Varglund nERF DRAM BOOST BURST
You forgot to gief support
oh..
nERF DRAM BOOST BURST AND I GIF SUPPORT
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Raimo
Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.27 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tordin Varglund
Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Tordin Varglund nERF DRAM BOOST BURST
You forgot to gief support
oh..
nERF DRAM BOOST BURST AND I GIF SUPPORT
No, tick box when poasting
And shut up Lilith and give support, we all know the changes won't go in as is - if you agree the Dram needs toning down please do it (with any and all disclaimers you'd like) ----------
Prom4csm
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2011.02.27 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 27/02/2011 18:44:55
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
Originally by: Lilith Velkor
A pirate faction frigate should offer something over a navy faction frigate, dont you think?
Like, say, >20% more DPS plus more speed and substantially better agility, you mean?
Obviously not speed if you read the OP.
On the damage output I'd be sold if it was fully turret based, and agility does tend to rapidly diminish in actual value once you reach a certain base treshold.
As lined out in the OP, it wouldnt be worth the pricetag given the alternative is less than half the price for 90% the performance.
Ed: I can see the scanres nerf argument tho, and probably dropping 5m¦ drone bandwidth, but thats pretty much it.
OP is kind of contradictory on speed. The suggested 20% speed nerf would still leave it as the fastest ship in the game, it just wouldn't be doing 1 km/s while webbed (EFT warrior time: current speed with a heated gistii B AB under a 60% web: 1073 m/s; with a 20% nerf, that falls to 858 m/s. A firetail with the same heated AB under the same web does 768 m/s).
There's plenty of room to cut its speed down to a more reasonable value without knocking it off its perch. Signature removed. |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.02.27 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo
And shut up Lilith and give support, we all know the changes won't go in as is - if you agree the Dram needs toning down please do it (with any and all disclaimers you'd like)
Yes I know it will not go in like that, so why on earth would I support it? If you want support, line out something reasonable and I'll be glad to tick that box.
I'm definitely not supporting something like this and put a comment that nobody reads anyway on page 3. For what its worth, what I would support in the proposal is explained in my comment, that has to be enough.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.02.27 21:33:00 -
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I don't get why so many people cannot grasp the idea of item/ship balance by cost/supply.
That idea is already fundamental part of this game, as we accept existence of t2 and t1 as something normal, even tho t2 is superior to t1 in every way. We accept the existence of meta 6+ modules that are clearly overpowered, only because the supply is limited and the cost is high.
Yet when it comes to adjusting game balance by manipulating supply/costs, people hit a brick wall in their head. It's all around you and yet you are unable to see it.
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Tyrehl
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.02.27 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrehl on 27/02/2011 23:05:01 Dramiel pilot detected /o\
Just admit that you will be rly butthurt if someone touches your dram with dirty hands. A faction frigate should NOT be the best / overpowered in most of the roles it may fit into. It should be unique.
Overpowered < > Unique
See the difference?
Edit: Ephemeron, you dont need to fit your ship in a special way when fighting a t2 fitted / t2 ship? also who told you that its normal for a frigate to be able to fit dual prop, full tank, guns and everything just like that, enough cap for intensive MWD use? PG/CPU restrictions anyone? Lol .. try fitting a slicer and see the cpu wall that you will hit. There is no "best" ship in eve, and yet dram pilots think that they should screw frigate pvp because they are used to the way the ship is in the moment. And btw the dramiel costs like 40 mil or so more than an empire-faction frigate. For that little difference in price the performance boost looks a bit too much (compared to the T1-T2 difference that is like 3-5% most of the time). pew-pew |
Triksterism
Victory or Whatever.
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Posted - 2011.02.27 23:34:00 -
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I read over this post and I have to agree this would certainly help balance things out quite a bit.
Good job and I hope this goes somewhere! *
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Podcat
Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.02.27 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Podcat on 27/02/2011 23:44:52 Edited by: Podcat on 27/02/2011 23:42:53
Originally by: Ophelia Ursus
OP is kind of contradictory on speed. The suggested 20% speed nerf would still leave it as the fastest ship in the game, it just wouldn't be doing 1 km/s while webbed (EFT warrior time: current speed with a heated gistii B AB under a 60% web: 1073 m/s; with a 20% nerf, that falls to 858 m/s. A firetail with the same heated AB under the same web does 768 m/s).
There's plenty of room to cut its speed down to a more reasonable value without knocking it off its perch.
well, that sounds pretty much exactly like the values I wanted? the firetail is also worse on all other stats. and it sounds more like it gets close to the firetail when you compare webbed speeds. its still 6290 m/s vs 5400 using mwds which is a hefty difference (basic cy-1, zor implants and no speed mods on the ships). before nerfing speed that dram did 7860m/s.
by knocking the dram below 1k/s ab it means other ab+web only ships can control range on a dram without a web of its own like it is now. one of the reasons this change is needed. you shouldnt have to use dual webs and ab to range control another ships "standard" fit of the same class.
also the dram has drones and will have more dps as well so it will still be the best general frig pretty much, just not untouchable
vid: Dishonor - combat evolved - Vote prom4csm |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.02.28 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 28/02/2011 00:40:22
Originally by: Podcat
by knocking the dram below 1k/s ab it means other ab+web only ships can control range on a dram without a web of its own like it is now. one of the reasons this change is needed. you shouldnt have to use dual webs and ab to range control another ships "standard" fit of the same class.
You dont need dual webs to hold a webless Dramiel down in afterburner frigates. Rifter, Merlin, Tristan, Comet, Firetail and Hookbill are a few examples that can do it right now without any special fittings.
Given 2 of the other 4 ships in the pirate faction frigate class have at least equal or even superior range control, I dont really see what you are going at here.
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Sofaking Weetawded
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Posted - 2011.02.28 02:14:00 -
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It's funny that the pirate faction ship rebalancing and the rise of the dramiel came so soon on the heels of the nano-nerf. It's no coincidence. There always has to be an instant I-win option available for those players who see themselves as "leet" and are willing to pay to be so. The Dramiel keeps a lot of spoiled crybabies from packing in their Eve accounts and going elsewhere. You know, the guys who always train for whatever is the most overpowered thing in the game, and think that somehow makes them more uber in real life, when the truth is they just aren't good enough to win any other way. If the Dramiel gets nerfed, it's just a matter of time until CCP comes up with something else to replace it, unfortunately.
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Sofaking Weetawded
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Posted - 2011.02.28 02:18:00 -
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Nevertheless...supported. |
Tordin Varglund
Vivicide
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Posted - 2011.02.28 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Tordin Varglund
Originally by: Raimo
Originally by: Tordin Varglund nERF DRAM BOOST BURST
You forgot to gief support
oh..
nERF DRAM BOOST BURST AND I GIF SUPPORT
No, tick box when poasting
nERF DRAM BOOST BURST AND BREACHER |
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