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Fluer Florentius
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Posted - 2011.03.02 20:14:00 -
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Signed ~ long overdue
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.03.02 20:20:00 -
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Relvant image:
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Naomi Knight
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Posted - 2011.03.03 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Naomi Knight on 03/03/2011 09:29:20 not supported it cost too much it needs a boost not a nerf +1 turret slot it is a matar ship for god's sake it should have more guns matar power
and add another bonus: flown more than 1 hour makes cancer in podder brain ,who drastically looses lp over time like 10k lp/hour , stupid matars never knew how to build a reactor shield anyway oh and 1% chance that when mwd being used reactor goes boom and blows up the ship with pod too
!!!!no it is not op it is just minmatar!!!
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Tyrehl
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.03 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Naomi Knight Edited by: Naomi Knight on 03/03/2011 09:29:20 not supported it cost too much it needs a boost not a nerf +1 turret slot it is a matar ship for god's sake it should have more guns matar power
and add another bonus: flown more than 1 hour makes cancer in podder brain ,who drastically looses lp over time like 10k lp/hour , stupid matars never knew how to build a reactor shield anyway oh and 1% chance that when mwd being used reactor goes boom and blows up the ship with pod too
!!!!no it is not op it is just minmatar!!!
Hmm, not sure if serious
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TimMc
Brutal Deliverance Gypsy Band
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Posted - 2011.03.03 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kayl Breinhar Edited by: Kayl Breinhar on 28/02/2011 07:03:00 So evidently it's too difficult for PL to fit Hyenas, Rapiers, and Huginns into their fleet dynamics?
Or is this prompted by our reimbursement program and it's cutting into your K/D ratios?
lol check battleclinic you idiot.
Dramariel usage for Genos in February: Kills: 197 Losses: 21
They definitely use them.
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Morel Nova
Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.03 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: Morel Nova on 03/03/2011 17:33:47 hes just trolling badly. we used to use dramiels a lot solo too, but it got boring because they are OP. In fact looking at my statistics dramiel is the ship I have the second most kills in after taranis, and I'v flown all sorts of stuff since 2007. I can also fly all frigates at the same trained skill levels, so personally I have nothing to win in the boost/nerf game, I just like a more interesting and level playing field. Its a fact that dramiels ahve ruined the frigate bracket balance.
latest vid: Dishonor - combat evolved
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13Child
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.03.04 01:21:00 -
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Yes Yes and well Yes
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Teshir
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Posted - 2011.03.04 06:33:00 -
[128]
Supported.
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Natalya Rhen
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Posted - 2011.03.04 10:49:00 -
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Yes, yes, yes. Fix dramiels, please.
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Terios Corvalis
Gallente HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2011.03.04 14:57:00 -
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Sure, lets "balance" the 90M ISK Dramiel to the same level of other frigates like the 200k ISK Rifter. Let me think... NO!
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Oen''Gus
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Posted - 2011.03.04 18:29:00 -
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Dramiels definetely need a fix. +1
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james1122
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Posted - 2011.03.04 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: james1122 on 04/03/2011 19:31:51 Edited by: james1122 on 04/03/2011 19:31:19
Originally by: Terios Corvalis Sure, lets "balance" the 90M ISK Dramiel to the same level of other frigates like the 200k ISK Rifter. Let me think... NO!
Cost is not a valid argument as it is driven by supply and demand. Ship isn't as effective = less people use it = cost goes down.
People saying we need an elite ship make me lol. What makes a ship elite? The fact that is singularly better than every other ship in its class ? what your really saying is i need an "I win" ship.
It defo needs a slight tap from the nerf bat!
Originally by: Oen''Gus Dramiels definetely need a fix. +1
You didn't tick the support box :P
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.03.04 20:10:00 -
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james1122, CCP control base costs of all items. Then if supply is abundant, the price of item remains near base cost.
In case of faction ships, the base cost is set in terms of loyalty point + other items required to purchase BPC from LP store. That's primary factor. Secondary factor is the BPC drops from loot, which are actually very rare.
All CCP would have to do to double the Dram prices would be to double the LP required for purchasing BPC, or just drop plain 100m isk requirement in addition to LP.
If you want a real world analogy, think of the interest rates that bank charges for loans. Theoretically, interest rates are set by supply and demand. But the government can easily manipulate the rates using FED - by setting the overnight loan rates. The government can raise and lower prices on a whim, in what seems to be a free market economy. CCP do same thing.
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Nauplius
1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2011.03.04 23:45:00 -
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Edited by: Nauplius on 04/03/2011 23:45:08
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Frank Shitlitz
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Posted - 2011.03.05 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron Secondary factor is the BPC drops from loot, which are actually very rare.
Tell that to the people who farm angel 2/10 static plex's. There is a reason why the Dram hull is so cheap by comparison to most of the other hulls.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.03.05 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Frank ****litz
Originally by: Ephemeron Secondary factor is the BPC drops from loot, which are actually very rare.
Tell that to the people who farm angel 2/10 static plex's. There is a reason why the Dram hull is so cheap by comparison to most of the other hulls.
I was not aware of that. Considering the power of Dramiel, it should drop only from 8+/10
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.03.05 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Frank ****litz
Originally by: Ephemeron Secondary factor is the BPC drops from loot, which are actually very rare.
Tell that to the people who farm angel 2/10 static plex's. There is a reason why the Dram hull is so cheap by comparison to most of the other hulls.
Pretty much. I did run a local 2/10 out of sheer boredom, and it dropped me a Dramiel BPC.
So I farmed it for about a week, and running this thing ~25 times got me 7 Dramiel BPCs and a truckload of various goodies like ABs, MWDs and small shield boosters.
The whole thing can be blitzed in less than 5 minutes in a frigate or destroyer.
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Tyrehl
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.05 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrehl on 05/03/2011 07:01:49
Originally by: Terios Corvalis Sure, lets "balance" the 90M ISK Dramiel to the same level of other frigates like the 200k ISK Rifter. Let me think... NO!
You are ******ed, really. "Dont fix the ship im flying, i like easy kills". Another thing the dramiel brings is relative safety. There are just a few ships that can really screw your day, and with dualprop + insane agility/speed you have a good GTFO ability. In other words, you dont have to commit to a fight. See where im going? pew-pew |
Natalya Rhen
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Posted - 2011.03.07 22:48:00 -
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Epic bamp, support this please
Also vote PROM4CSM because he's cool and flies solo just check his page v0v
http://www.promsrage.com/csm.html
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Grimster
Reikoku Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.03.08 10:09:00 -
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Signed. _______________________________
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2011.03.09 18:16:00 -
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Yess, supported.
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Natalia Kovac
Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.03.10 08:04:00 -
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I wouldn't say it needs a nerf, a rebalance maybe. You still die pretty easily in them if you suck, like me.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.10 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Cearain on 10/03/2011 16:56:51
Originally by: Podcat you could boost all other frigs but then you are looking at changing 20+ ships instead of one. Pretty much all other frigates are balanced with each other right now.....
I can agree with the speed nerf. It's pretty crazy. But what if they just toned down the speed and buffed the other pirate frigates esp the succubus and worm.?
I think it should be t1 frig< ceptor= faction frig < asault frig = destroyer< pirate frig. It's not clear that the succubus and worm are where they should be. Daredevils seem ok. But balancing them with ships of a different class does not seem appropriate.
Dramiels are not just 70 mil. To properly fit them with the grid restrictions I see them more in the 90 mil range. If the problem is that they keep locking t1 frigates then maybe slightly nerf their lock time. That would also make it so they do not replace interceptors.
I'm not sure the dram you describe is much better than a lol firetail. HavenÆt really looked at it much though.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Mad Luna
CUVEE DES TROLLS
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:25:00 -
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Drams Online.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.10 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Luna Drams Online.
Matar Online is much more accurate
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wolf419
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Posted - 2011.03.11 10:10:00 -
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quite frankly the dramy is op i meen come on i can run lvl 3 missions in it and just kite the npc's while my t2 hobs do the killin boring but i also agree that there has been to much nerfing already un nerf the ships and mods especaly the drake come on who's stupid idiea was it to nerf a ship thats ment to be a tank all this whineing nerf this nerf that makes me sick it's no wauner councel games are more fun only reason i even have to play eve any more is for my friends so it is now nothing more then a paid chat site like yahoo or facebook mabe i'll run some missions or mine or even find some thing else to do in game but i wont enjoy the game i like i did when i first started so much has changed and not for the better captians corters whats that all these buggs and inballances and thats what they come up with i for one would rather see themfix some isiues with game play x960.jpg |
Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.11 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: wolf419 quite frankly the dramy is op i meen come on i can run lvl 3 missions in it and just kite the npc's while my t2 hobs do the killin boring but i also agree that there has been to much nerfing already un nerf the ships and mods especaly the drake come on who's stupid idiea was it to nerf a ship thats ment to be a tank all this whineing nerf this nerf that makes me sick it's no wauner councel games are more fun only reason i even have to play eve any more is for my friends so it is now nothing more then a paid chat site like yahoo or facebook mabe i'll run some missions or mine or even find some thing else to do in game but i wont enjoy the game i like i did when i first started so much has changed and not for the better captians corters whats that all these buggs and inballances and thats what they come up with i for one would rather see themfix some isiues with game play
I don't really understand all the buffs don't nerf debate. By either boosting or nerfing something you are changing the metagame in some way and everything shifts either upwards or downwards based on the outcome. It's clear that the Frigate bracket is generally balanced as a whole, the only problem is the Dramiel. Why buff every single Frigate in the game to match the Dramiel, and then have to look at the ramifications of a power creep it has on other classes (are Cruisers obsolete now that Frigates are stronger? etc.) Other than saying "the Glass is half full" instead of half empty. Not only are they more likely to screw something up and change the game balance drastically, but it will take about 20x as long for designers to do properly.
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Suitonia
Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.11 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Terios Corvalis Sure, lets "balance" the 90M ISK Dramiel to the same level of other frigates like the 200k ISK Rifter. Let me think... NO!
The Daredevil and Cruor are more expensive than Dramiels and they have weaknesses that can be exploited by other classes of ship.
Daredevil - No Dual Prop due to 3 mids if you're using the 90% web (you should), More Commited in Scram/Web range in general. Limited range, Guns require cap, slower than speed fit interceptors making it more vulnerable to kiting outside web range.
Cruor - No Dual Prop due to 3 mids if you're using the 90% web, very slow (slower than some AFs), no neut range bonus making it vulnerable to being kited at 6km+, neuts not very effective against ships like Jaguar, Hawk, Hookbill, Worm etc.
I don't think Price should be the only balancing factor, and as pointed out, the Cruor and Daredevil are indeed more expensive than the Dramiel but also are generally balanced. ---
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.11 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia I don't really understand all the buffs don't nerf debate. By either boosting or nerfing something you are changing the metagame in some way and everything shifts either upwards or downwards based on the outcome. It's clear that the Frigate bracket is generally balanced as a whole, the only problem is the Dramiel. Why buff every single Frigate in the game to match the Dramiel, ...
Actually all ôthe frigate bracketö is not generally balanced. T1 <interceptor and faction < asault frigates < pirate frigates (except maybe the succubus and worm which are weak)
The problem is dramiels are oped compared to their sub-class of frigate - pirate frigates. If you give them a *slight* nerf and bump the other pirate frigates such as the worm and succubus you have some other variety for those who want to spend 100 million isk on a frigate. Like you said the daredevil seems about right. Make the other pirate ships about that powerful.
Trying to balance *all* the frigates so they are equal regardless of whether they cost 200k isk or 100 million isk is a bad idea.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Bomberlocks
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.03.13 01:00:00 -
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/signed. Dram is nice but it chases away all the other frigs except for slicers.
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