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Renier Gaden
Exanimo Inc Anger Management.
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Posted - 2012.08.29 19:18:00 -
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The effect of Tier 3 ships was opposite to the effect of T3 ships. Unlike T3 ships which could perform several roles and ended up being better at some roles than the ships that were designed specifically for those roles (command ships for instance), the Tear 3 Battlecruisers were designed for a specific role (sniping) and in that role made other ships which had not been designed specifically for that role obsolete in that role.
Yes, Tier 3 Battlecruisers are better sniper ships than Battleships and Heavy Assault ships setup with a sniper fit. This is because they are designed specifically for the sniper role. The trade off is that when sniper fit, these ships have almost no tank and are easily killed by any ship that gets within range of them. In my experience the counter to a Tier 3 Battlecruiser is an Interceptor with web and point.
As far as HACGÇÖs go, I only have experience with Armour HACGÇÖs but I do know that when combined with logi an AHAC gang can easily take on twice itGÇÖs number of most other ship types. I see a lot of AHAC gangs in Syndicate. Armour HACGÇÖs still have a solid rule in PVP. Maybe Shield HACGÇÖs need a buff; I donGÇÖt know them well enough to say. I donGÇÖt think that HACGÇÖs were designed to be snipers though, so I donGÇÖt see a point in complaining about them not being as good as ships specifically designed for that role. |
Cpt Branko
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.29 20:08:00 -
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If he has no support and is solo and so on, the counter to a Tier 3 is an interceptor. Sure.
As for HACs not being specifically designed to be snipers, well... there is a number of HACs which clearly have bonuses geared to (long) ranged combat. The Minmatar "ranged" HAC has bonuses to optimal range (which is specifically designed with artillery in mind, given how that bonus means less then 1km on AC fits). Certain HACs have double optimal bonuses.
I just don't get from where this belief that HACs are not intended to snipe comes from, because ship bonuses on some of them basically shout "I'm designed to be used at long range".
The Tier 3s are obviously designed to kite. The problem is that ships designed to do that have already existed but for this and that reason were not used. Incidentally, it was also one of the HAC strengths (compared to Tier 2 BCs) - the Munnin actually outdid the Hurricane at ranges beyond 70km (comparing both in longrange fits), Zealot outdoes the Harbinger, etc - the other being their superior resists / sig for armourfleets and speed - an are where HACs were nerfed quite hard.
You are right in that unlike Tier 3s they don't obsolete anything "by accident", but are just designed to obsolete the LR HAC.
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Noisrevbus
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Posted - 2012.08.29 20:28:00 -
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Posts like Renier Gaden's really boggles my mind.
How can you write three paragraphs and just sound like someone pulled "show info" on a module?
You need to look at the use of the ships a bit more man, so you don't end up sounding like a leaflet. |
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