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Seeker'Of Truth
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Posted - 2011.03.05 18:31:00 -
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My standings are .08 off from being able to start level 4 missions with the corp I'm running missions for, and I just destroyed the loot in the mission I was running. It was New Frontiers (5 of 7), I targeted the canister with the Hive Mind CPU in it, and instead of activating my Tractor Beam, I activated my grouped Heavy Missile Launchers and blew the canister into oblivion.
I checked market and contracts and evidently no one sells Hive Mind CPU, will the ships in the mission respawn after downtime? Or should I quit the mission? I'm sure there is a standing loss for quitting or failing the mission, is it significant?
For now I will run missions with the other agent at my current station and move on to the level 4 missions, but I really don't want to fail/quit this current mission...
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Alahias Khan
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Posted - 2011.03.05 19:00:00 -
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Should respawn after downtime along with all the rats so you can get it then :P
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Centus Commander
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Posted - 2011.03.05 19:12:00 -
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Petition CCP, They'll restart the mission for you
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Seeker'Of Truth
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Posted - 2011.03.05 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Centus Commander Petition CCP, They'll restart the mission for you
Thanks for the advice, I filed a petition and it has already been reset.
Cheers!
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Centus Commander
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Posted - 2011.03.05 22:34:00 -
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Glad to help
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.05 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Alahias Khan Should respawn after downtime along with all the rats so you can get it then :P
Not anymore. CCP stopped doing this a couple months ago to stop mission farming.
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Plentath
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Posted - 2011.03.07 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Alahias Khan Should respawn after downtime along with all the rats so you can get it then :P
Not anymore. CCP stopped doing this a couple months ago to stop mission farming.
Source?
I just successfully farmed an Angel's X ... accidentally, I just forgot to hand in. Tried to hand it in the day after, but couldn't as I had to go destroy some pesky Angels
Respawning after DT seems to work.
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Rita's Catastrophy
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Posted - 2011.03.07 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Plentath
Originally by: Feligast
Originally by: Alahias Khan Should respawn after downtime along with all the rats so you can get it then :P
Not anymore. CCP stopped doing this a couple months ago to stop mission farming.
Source?
I just successfully farmed an Angel's X ... accidentally, I just forgot to hand in. Tried to hand it in the day after, but couldn't as I had to go destroy some pesky Angels
Respawning after DT seems to work.
It is, till you arent gonna get mission marked as finished, and then u woke up that u dont have the mission item.
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Argosus
Waverunners
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Posted - 2011.03.07 12:26:00 -
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as far as i am aware you can still farm missions until their expiry as long as you do not activate the mission completion trigger,
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vorneus
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Posted - 2011.03.07 13:21:00 -
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Before I say this I want to make it clear that I know everyone makes mistakes, myself included, and that I'm all for helping others and tolerating such mishaps.
HOWEVER.
I find it absurd that CCP would reset the mission following a petition for this. People are constantly talking about how missions are too easy, a skewed risk to reward ratio, etc etc. I'm not hopping on any bandwagon for this, but the fact that CCP reset your mission because you accidentally destroyed your own mission objective I think is completely wrong.
Everyone makes mistakes, stuff like this happens, but there should be consequences. It's not like it's a big deal, but it would certainly stop you from making similar mistakes in the future. You shouldn't just be able to cry to CCP about it and get it revoked.
I once had a mission objective stolen by a cloaked ship who scanned the site down. Perfectly valid game mechanics - they then ransomed it to me. I would never expect CCP to reverse something like this, it's part of the game.
Highlighted differences between two very different circumstances leading to the same predicament - unable to complete the mission. CCP should stand firm on this and not give people freebies.
-Ed
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Seeker'Of Truth
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Posted - 2011.03.07 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: vorneus Before I say this I want to make it clear that I know everyone makes mistakes, myself included, and that I'm all for helping others and tolerating such mishaps.
HOWEVER.
I find it absurd that CCP would reset the mission following a petition for this. People are constantly talking about how missions are too easy, a skewed risk to reward ratio, etc etc. I'm not hopping on any bandwagon for this, but the fact that CCP reset your mission because you accidentally destroyed your own mission objective I think is completely wrong.
Everyone makes mistakes, stuff like this happens, but there should be consequences. It's not like it's a big deal, but it would certainly stop you from making similar mistakes in the future. You shouldn't just be able to cry to CCP about it and get it revoked.
I once had a mission objective stolen by a cloaked ship who scanned the site down. Perfectly valid game mechanics - they then ransomed it to me. I would never expect CCP to reverse something like this, it's part of the game.
Highlighted differences between two very different circumstances leading to the same predicament - unable to complete the mission. CCP should stand firm on this and not give people freebies.
-Ed
I actually agree with this 100%, but as long as CCP is willing to do it, I'm going to take advantage of it.
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SickSeven
Simplistic Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.07 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: vorneus Before I say this I want to make it clear that I know everyone makes mistakes, myself included, and that I'm all for helping others and tolerating such mishaps.
HOWEVER.
I find it absurd that CCP would reset the mission following a petition for this. People are constantly talking about how missions are too easy, a skewed risk to reward ratio, etc etc. I'm not hopping on any bandwagon for this, but the fact that CCP reset your mission because you accidentally destroyed your own mission objective I think is completely wrong.
Everyone makes mistakes, stuff like this happens, but there should be consequences. It's not like it's a big deal, but it would certainly stop you from making similar mistakes in the future. You shouldn't just be able to cry to CCP about it and get it revoked.
I once had a mission objective stolen by a cloaked ship who scanned the site down. Perfectly valid game mechanics - they then ransomed it to me. I would never expect CCP to reverse something like this, it's part of the game.
Highlighted differences between two very different circumstances leading to the same predicament - unable to complete the mission. CCP should stand firm on this and not give people freebies.
-Ed
I totally agree. You died at the fittings screen, you just hand't realized it yet - Mr. Cue |
Wildthorn Starfire
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Posted - 2011.03.07 13:53:00 -
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Actually it would be interesting to find out if mission really respawns.
As someone stated it respawns if you do no trigger mission complete trigger. Because if you did (mission log shows it's complete) after downtime you would be able to warp to point, but wouldnt find any gate or site. You would stop in siply empty space.
I suggest you simply check after downtime. If there is nothing and no respawn just cancel it. Really no big deal. When ypu mission for isk you decline a lot with standind loss. And i believe you do not lose more standing by aborting mission when accepted, than declining when offered.
But please, let us know if respawn is there or not!
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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.07 18:08:00 -
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That's nothing much even if you had to take a loss. My recent Nooo!!! moment was much more painful. Amarr standing at 9.89 for a few storylines, just had to stay up and finish a multipart storyline cause it would be the one to push me over 9.9 Amarr (you get something good at 9.9 faction standing) and was so tired I forgot there was contraband looted just long enough to warp to gate instead of station. Tried cancel warp just seconds too late. 9.89 Amarr turned into 9.79 Amarr real fast. That's months to make up, and is my tale of woe and oh noes. (If you have to fail that mission it wouldn't take very long to get those middle of the road standings back up.)
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Seeker'Of Truth
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Posted - 2011.03.07 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hockston Axe That's nothing much even if you had to take a loss. My recent Nooo!!! moment was much more painful. Amarr standing at 9.89 for a few storylines, just had to stay up and finish a multipart storyline cause it would be the one to push me over 9.9 Amarr (you get something good at 9.9 faction standing) and was so tired I forgot there was contraband looted just long enough to warp to gate instead of station. Tried cancel warp just seconds too late. 9.89 Amarr turned into 9.79 Amarr real fast. That's months to make up, and is my tale of woe and oh noes. (If you have to fail that mission it wouldn't take very long to get those middle of the road standings back up.)
Ouch
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2011.03.07 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: vorneus
the fact that CCP reset your mission because you accidentally destroyed your own mission objective I think is completely wrong.
I think the uncompassionate consequences of Eve are what makes it great. So I agree with you here....
Originally by: vorneus
I once had a mission objective stolen by a cloaked ship who scanned the site down. Perfectly valid game mechanics - they then ransomed it to me. I would never expect CCP to reverse something like this, it's part of the game.
This is straight up griefing, and is currently a ban-able offense (as it should be!). The victim here has very few options to counter this, especially since you can't shoot the guy until after they steal the item. I wonder if going into someone else's mission and shooting all the trigger ships is griefing too?
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Nomad Vherokic
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Posted - 2011.03.07 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Nomad Vherokic on 07/03/2011 20:08:23
Originally by: Gizznitt Malikite
Originally by: vorneus
the fact that CCP reset your mission because you accidentally destroyed your own mission objective I think is completely wrong.
I think the uncompassionate consequences of Eve are what makes it great. So I agree with you here....
Originally by: vorneus
I once had a mission objective stolen by a cloaked ship who scanned the site down. Perfectly valid game mechanics - they then ransomed it to me. I would never expect CCP to reverse something like this, it's part of the game.
This is straight up griefing, and is currently a ban-able offense (as it should be!). The victim here has very few options to counter this, especially since you can't shoot the guy until after they steal the item. I wonder if going into someone else's mission and shooting all the trigger ships is griefing too?
It's not bannable at all unless the guy does it to the same guy over and over again, and possibly used an exploit to do so. In which case it becomes harassment and is then bannable. Had a guy in my corp once who did this ransoming for a living and was never banned as he was not specific in who he targeted, and, yes he had gone in and shot at the triggers and lots of other stuff like that. Alas, the guy was a complete ****wad so I kicked him in the end... As the other chap said the game mechanics support it so how could you be banned for it? I'm not saying I support that kind of game-play at all, but if someone wants to play that way, then they can...
As for destroying your own mission objective... In this case it shouldn't be petitionable, as it is your own fault.
I've completed a mission, but not handed it in because I've had to log due to emergency at home/work, meaning I was unable to collect objective loot. The next time I log in I can't complete mission as it has despawned and I am unable to either do the mission again or collect the objective. In that case I petitioned and the mission was reset and I had to do it again. The problem with resetting the mission is the player still retains the bounties accrued from the first run through, so to be fair, the player should lose the ISK gained from the original mission run through and also have the ammo used reimbursed etc.
The most annoying mission related petition is those when you lose a ship to either lag-spike, client crash, or similar. Have never had a successful petition for one of those even though it is one of the most justifiable petitions you can make. "Our logs show nothing" of course, but then anyone trying to foretell the future from looking down the toilet bowl is not going to go very far in life... (unless your name is Charles Darwin) --
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Cindy Marco
Minmatar Expanse Security
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Posted - 2011.03.07 20:07:00 -
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Well even as someone who likes to run missions I don't think they should normally reset them if the player messes up. Hopefully it is a once per account type of thing. |
Azirapheal
Amarr The Black Company LLC.
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Posted - 2011.03.07 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gizznitt Malikite
This is straight up griefing, and is currently a ban-able offense (as it should be!). The victim here has very few options to counter this, especially since you can't shoot the guy until after they steal the item. I wonder if going into someone else's mission and shooting all the trigger ships is griefing too?
i dont think so. but thanks for the idea.
to be honest, even in highsec you are vulnerable, it has always been clear. and there are many ways to get ahead... i wouldnt be above hitting all the triggers to annoy a player, im definately not above stealing mission critical loot.
its all part of the game baby, hell they should welcome the chance to shoot at my ikkle cloaker.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails I decided to make some kind of deterrant against people casually entering my passage
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.03.07 22:08:00 -
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I remember someone was mission running drunk and shot the loot can, he petitioned and ccp told him to suck it up.
imo a perfectly good response
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Khalia Nestune
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.03.07 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gizznitt Malikite
Originally by: vorneus
I once had a mission objective stolen by a cloaked ship who scanned the site down. Perfectly valid game mechanics - they then ransomed it to me. I would never expect CCP to reverse something like this, it's part of the game.
This is straight up griefing, and is currently a ban-able offense (as it should be!). The victim here has very few options to counter this, especially since you can't shoot the guy until after they steal the item. I wonder if going into someone else's mission and shooting all the trigger ships is griefing too?
Uh, no it isn't. If you ransom the item back to the owner, it is considered a legitimate way to make ISK. Otherwise you might as well call ninja salvage griefing. I've had bears petition me for this, and get denied.
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Saveforthememory
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Posted - 2011.03.08 03:56:00 -
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Quote: That's nothing much even if you had to take a loss. My recent Nooo!!! moment was much more painful. Amarr standing at 9.89 for a few storylines, just had to stay up and finish a multipart storyline cause it would be the one to push me over 9.9 Amarr (you get something good at 9.9 faction standing) and was so tired I forgot there was contraband looted just long enough to warp to gate instead of station. Tried cancel warp just seconds too late. 9.89 Amarr turned into 9.79 Amarr real fast. That's months to make up, and is my tale of woe and oh noes. (If you have to fail that mission it wouldn't take very long to get those middle of the road standings back up.)
What happens when you reach 9.9 standing, such as what do you get?
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Herrring
Amarr Caldari Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2011.03.08 05:47:00 -
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you get access to 9.9 faction standing cosmos missions which gives you 2 faction battleship bpcs
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Brego Tralowski
Gallente Outpost 99
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Posted - 2011.03.08 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Herrring you get access to 9.9 faction standing cosmos missions which gives you 2 faction battleship bpcs
Well I'll be looking forward to that then :) -----------------------------------------------
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Terena Starfire
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Posted - 2011.03.08 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nomad Vherokic
The problem with resetting the mission is the player still retains the bounties accrued from the first run through, so to be fair, the player should lose the ISK gained from the original mission run through and also have the ammo used reimbursed etc.
i do not agree, you can re-kill pirates in the same mission after every downtime if you dont trigger completion trigger. this seems to be normal thing and no exploit, so i dont think that bounties has to do with that anything. I dont know if they do reset petitioned missions , but it is a mission, and if you can't, couldn't complete it because of whatever reason, you get bad sidefect. dont accept loot missions if you cant be sure you wont kill container you will need :D missions were not made to be 100% comleteable. Techically they are, but with sidefects they are not - that is part of the game!
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