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Chrar
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Posted - 2011.03.07 18:45:00 -
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I'd wager you fell into a trap. A Myrm can fit hell of a tank so he just needs to last long enough for his mateys to warp in, tackle you and make you go *splat*.
Your mistake was, in my book, to follow the Myrm through a gate. You do not know what's on the other side! It's possible that he called his mateys as well that it is possible that there was a covops cloaked on the other side telling their fleet that you jumped (FC then has the fleet warp to the gate and *splat* you).
As a general rule of thumb I personally would only follow someone through a gate if I have enough support coming with me; anything else means HIGH risk. And this regardless of the ship you're flying. So do not get discouraged by this loss - view it as a learning lesson:
1) don't follow somoene through a gate (unless you have backup coming, too) 2) HACs aren't invulnerable nor overpowered 3) Losing a ship sucks and hurts but it happens. Get a new one and fly it with the insight you should have gotten from your previous loss. 4) You lost a HAC and are thinking of now flying a BC...what will you do if you lose a few of these? Fly cruisers? Cheaper ships? Fly what you LIKE and learn to do this well!
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VE3DVY
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.07 19:03:00 -
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This thread should have finished after the first reply, might I remind everyone:
Originally by: Gavin DeVries Because when you DON'T run into that blob, the difference between a cheap ship and an expensive ship might mean the difference between you winning the fight and losing the fight. Sometimes even when you do run into that blob, it's the difference between escaping in your expensive ship and dying in your cheap ship.
Furthermore, if you are even half competent, you will see the giant blob coming toward you and gtfo. If you run before the blob gets there, the Nanocane and Vaga will be able to escape with roughly the same effectiveness. If the blob gets there before you can get your sorry behind into warp, then the Vaga will outperform the Cane in escaping under heavy fire.
If you are judging ships purely by how well they can escape a blob, then why aren't you flying an interceptor? |
RavenPaine
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Posted - 2011.03.07 19:30:00 -
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If you solo a lot, you're going to lose a lot of ships. Survive ability of the Vaga might make it worth 3 or 4 canes in the long run.
Solo Vaga is all about: Picking your targets. You picked the wrong target.
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Ephemeron
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.03.07 19:41:00 -
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As someone who flew plenty of expensive faction Battleships for PvP, I'll say this:
Expensive faction Battleships were viable before The Great Nano Nerf, and before the game got oversaturated with cyno hot drops, bored carrier pilots, bored titan pilots (before changes to DD where Titan could not insta kill a properly fitted faction battleship, but now can do so)
I have tried using faction bs in the new EVE environment, and it just doesn't work. I know there are some people who are better than me. But that doesn't change the fact that it got a lot harder over the years, so hard that it's highly questionable.
Lack of speed, lack of agility, and risk that every other target you engage may light a cyno and 3 seconds later swarm you with carriers, titans, or titan bridged blob.
Having said that, I find that faction fitted t3s are still viable, because they can achieve decent speeds. However, inferior hitting power (relative to bs) makes it harder to kill the enemy before their blob support arrives, resulting in less kills over time than in the old days.
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Sjugar
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Posted - 2011.03.07 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dorian Tormak (this comment is directed at the morons)
Hey, quit trying to sound pro because a Vaga can avoid blobs.
The point is that a battlecruiser can just as well, especially if it is nano fitted. That's what is important here. And he is right.
I'm pretty sure we've established that he shouldn't have lost his Vaga about 10 times in this thread. No need for more chickens clucking in.
He's using a situation he encountered to prove that Vagabonds are not worth it to fly. But it's a situation he shouldn't have been in. Especially not in a Vagabond. So the rest of his post might not have been posted at all because he bases it on a loss that shouldn't have happened with that ship.
Whether to fly a Hurricane or a Vagabond is another discussion.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Rogue Drone Systems
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Posted - 2011.03.08 02:53:00 -
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I fly expensive ships to show people I have more money than them, and am thus a better quality of human being. The poors stand aside in deference when Istvaan Shogaatsu passes through!
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.03.08 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sjugar
Originally by: Dorian Tormak (this comment is directed at the morons)
Hey, quit trying to sound pro because a Vaga can avoid blobs.
The point is that a battlecruiser can just as well, especially if it is nano fitted. That's what is important here. And he is right.
I'm pretty sure we've established that he shouldn't have lost his Vaga about 10 times in this thread. No need for more chickens clucking in.
He's using a situation he encountered to prove that Vagabonds are not worth it to fly. But it's a situation he shouldn't have been in. Especially not in a Vagabond. So the rest of his post might not have been posted at all because he bases it on a loss that shouldn't have happened with that ship.
Whether to fly a Hurricane or a Vagabond is another discussion.
But the situation does prove that Vagas are not worth their price. Don't you see? He would've lost a Hurricane the same way he lost the Vaga. But a more experienced pilot would have gotten both ships out of the situation/wouldn't have gotten them into the situation in the first place!
So where does the superiority of the Vaga happen?
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AristotleOnassis
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Posted - 2011.03.08 05:46:00 -
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Vaga could engage faster ships then the nano cane.
Pretty simple really.
And yes. there are many ships that are faster then the nano cane.
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Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
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Posted - 2011.03.08 09:25:00 -
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If the blob assembles to get you, and you stick around, you will die - eventually.
Yes, the Vaga has some niche roles, mainly being be average 50% faster than the cane and align / orbit faster too + locking a tad faster...it's a superior tackler. Still it's more fragile tank wise, has less cap to play with (both with local MWD managing + enemy neuts) and if not fitted with neut is extremely weak to scrambling frigs. Even with a neut, the cane is better to fending off / escaping the tackle after it (2x neuts, respected range, same tracking)
All-in-all, the Vaga is better as part of a frig, for pointing stuff before the rest arrive, and picking out enemy frigs, even outside point range due to good DPS @ falloff extremities.
For fighting within 24km and soloing anything bigger than short ranged, untanked BCs, the cane is superior. Think the Cane as a fat vaga with 2x neuts and moar DPS... Then again you can think the nano-tempest as a fat cane with heavy neuts and even moar DPS...
Darn, if its Minmatar is fun, T1 or T2
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.14 08:13:00 -
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Cheap ships can't do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac-QWzK2cnw
Warning, long video with very little actual EvE content. What the video does include is a lot of strategy and shows how to really utilize these expensive ships. This has become one of my favourite EvE videos.
The conclusion is shown at 10:00.
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.14 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Diomidis If the blob assembles to get you, and you stick around, you will die - eventually.
THIS. A MILLION TIMES THIS. GET YOUR KILL(s) AND GTFO.
Quote: Then again you can think the nano-tempest as a fat cane with heavy neuts and even moar DPS...
Darn, if its Minmatar is fun, T1 or T2
Damned straight. Boom and zoom, all day long.
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente Halinallen veroparatiisi Inglorious Carebears
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Posted - 2011.03.14 11:17:00 -
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If you find someone alone...always be prepared that he has friends on the other side of the gate. Or an alt that has logged.
Consider if you can kill him BEFORE anything reacts (basically meaning you have time to gtfo) or if you have abilities to stay and fight. Or you are bored and want to have a fight.
Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
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