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Valari Nala Zena
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.03.12 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Janos Saal
Originally by: CCP Adida Trolling comment removed.
Hmm I dunno I can still see all of Whitehound's posts.
It wasn't even a troll, it was about market bots /sigh.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.12 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Avon It is probably the defence he is going to try and use when he gets caught speeding in his Ferrari 9000 GTFO.
No. I just do not think that cheating should be punished. Speeding causes many deaths every year. --
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Avon
Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.03.12 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 12/03/2011 16:15:06
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Avon It is probably the defence he is going to try and use when he gets caught speeding in his Ferrari 9000 GTFO.
No. I just do not think that cheating should be punished.
Why gets to decide what forms of cheating are okay, you?
If I duped a couple of trillion ISK that would be okay?
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.03.12 16:17:00 -
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Does anyone happen to have Chribba's '24 hours in high sec' or even the '7 days in high sec' on google docs, CSV or even Excel?
I'd like to view the list submitted here with that list to see if there is a correlation between the two using a simple relationship DB.
Thanks in advance.
AK EVE-ONLINE Video-Making Tutorials Vid - New Tricks |
Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.12 16:37:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 12/03/2011 16:37:30
Originally by: Avon Why gets to decide what forms of cheating are okay, you?
If I duped a couple of trillion ISK that would be okay?
It is not me who gets to decide it and you know it.
But for the sake of an argument ... if I had to decide it then the question would be how you "duped" it. The height is not important, but the how or what you did is. If you run lots of bots and use up CPU time on my valuable server hardware, that I have to maintain and pay bills for, so you can make a business with my machines, then I would give you a kick. --
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.12 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat Does anyone happen to have Chribba's '24 hours in high sec' or even the '7 days in high sec' on google docs, CSV or even Excel?
I'd like to view the list submitted here with that list to see if there is a correlation between the two using a simple relationship DB.
Thanks in advance.
AK
24 hours - Linkage one week - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1301898
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Namira Incendie
Minmatar Valor Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.03.12 16:44:00 -
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I just wanted to post to thank Whitehound for continuing his attempt at playing Devil's advocate in order to keep this topic on the front page for everyone to see.
Thank you. I understand the sacrifice you've made to your credibility, and I want you to know it's worth it.
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.12 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Avon Do you think CCP should investigate accusations of cheating?
You mean on this scale as we see now? No. It is just too much effort to go through a list of thousands of player names provided by an anonymous source. CCP already employs staff to fight off bots. This list will give CCP a lot of work and it may be that it is just one RMTer who tries to deflect from his bots by providing CCP with information on a competing RMTer.
the lists will lead to the bots as a good amount of income will come from them. you have to start somewhere, your point it moot, the list helps CCP in their hunt.
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Originally by: Avon Do you think that cheaters should be punished?
Where there is no victim there is no crime. If no damage is being done and no victim can be found then no punishment shall occur, even when an act is against the law.
the victim is CCP, that is money they could use to upgrade servers, hire new people, spend more on beer in pizza. your victim is them, your point is moot
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Originally by: Avon Dp you think that, in order to protect the integrity of the game, CCP should be able to choose any appropriate punishment, up to and including permanent account bans?
It does not matter what I think. CCP does ban people permanently afaik. This already answers your question.
you answered, and your points fell short. stop digging a bigger hole
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.12 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 12/03/2011 17:18:23
Originally by: Hecatonis the lists will lead to the bots as a good amount of income will come from them. you have to start somewhere, your point it moot, the list helps CCP in their hunt.
Wrong. CCP does not need "to start somewhere". They have already started, a long time ago and know how to find bots best. The question still is to whom's bots this list will lead should it actually lead somewhere. Might just be a dead trail that is going to keep CCP's staff chasing after a ghost. So CCP might as well just keep pursuing their own course. It is stupid to trust someone anonymous to do the job for you especially when it means a lot of extra work for you.
Originally by: Hecatonis the victim is CCP, that is money they could use to upgrade servers, hire new people, spend more on beer in pizza. your victim is them, your point is moot
Sure is CCP a victim, too, but if they start banning thousands of players, then they will also lose paying customers.
Are you then going to pay CCP the difference of lost subscriptions just so you can see a massive player ban? --
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.03.12 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Shaemell Buttleson on 12/03/2011 17:52:49
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson
Not understanding the rules is an ok excuse?
I'm gonna try that next time I get pulled over for something I'm not 100% legaly sure of. COOL!
I never said it was a excuse, i'm just saying that you can't assume that everyone deliberately broke the eula. The gut buying the titan knows what he is doing, but it's not impossible that someone just did'nt understand the difference between GTC and plex and ended you spending 10$ a RMT site.
Ban the account and next account said "mistaken" person opens won't have ISk from a RMT site. Problem solved!
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TBH if CCP did take a hard line with ppl buying off RMT sites I bet the problem would halve in weeks!
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.12 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: dexington on 12/03/2011 18:37:04
Originally by: Shaemell Buttleson
TBH if CCP did take a hard line with ppl buying off RMT sites I bet the problem would halve in weeks!
It's very hard to say what effect it would have, but it would probably only be temporary. It would not have the same effect on new players, and with time it's likely that things would just return how it was.
Besides from a business point of view the isk buyers are the ideal subscriber, aslong as they just buy their isk using plex. Most of the poeple on that list are probably flaged as isk buyers now, the ones that CCP deside not to ban are more or less forced to buy all furture isk using plex. That does somewhat make them a cash cow when you know they are enclined to buy isk, and are forced to use plex.
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coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.12 18:41:00 -
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im so fed up with the bots and the RMT that comes with it...
im a miner(well most of the time) and seeing more and more mining bots warping in the belt the whole day long.
over all those months i have yet to see any action done by CCP so im closing my 2 accounts down and check this forum from time to time if CCP starts acting, only then ill come back(and that doesnt mean temp ban on bots like in holy rage...i wanna see mass perma bans for botters.)
CCP advocated that they wanted to see more people/alliances and that sounds good to but its pretty much impossible for a small alliance that plays honest to do that if they are greated by bot alliances that has so much overpower due to the bots making them unlimited ammounts of isk.
Jack of all trades, master of none...
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.12 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Taggart
At this point though, I believe Whitehound is trolling you guys as well for the past 15-20 pages.
I hope you're right Mr Alt #3. The alternative viewpoint may be in the majority though
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.03.12 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 12/03/2011 18:57:47 Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 12/03/2011 18:56:26 Cant believe people are really dropping this kinda cash... I get 30 or so buck here and there, but thousands of dollars?
Also to those who say money doesn't matter, War is two parts the fighting, and the logistics to keep you fighting.
Clearly the second is just as important as the first or else this wouldn't be a million dollar business. Dont be naive money matters.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.03.12 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: AlleyKat Does anyone happen to have Chribba's '24 hours in high sec' or even the '7 days in high sec' on google docs, CSV or even Excel?
I'd like to view the list submitted here with that list to see if there is a correlation between the two using a simple relationship DB.
Thanks in advance.
AK
24 hours - Linkage one week - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1301898
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/Bows
Thanks Chribba.
Interestingly, 19 names did match - but the quantity of times they spoke during the 7 days analysis is less than 10 times.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.03.12 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: AlleyKat Does anyone happen to have Chribba's '24 hours in high sec' or even the '7 days in high sec' on google docs, CSV or even Excel?
I'd like to view the list submitted here with that list to see if there is a correlation between the two using a simple relationship DB.
Thanks in advance.
AK
24 hours - Linkage one week - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1301898
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Wow. Who would even think to do something like this? It amazes me that I've been playing this game for 5 years-ish and still feel like such a nub on a frequent basis (that's either a testament to the depth of eve or my own cerebral limitations... my perspective precludes a conclusion). Nice work Cribba... I'm going over this and will think about how to apply information like this to a money making scheme.
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Jon Taggart
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.12 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Othran I hope you're right Mr Alt #3. The alternative viewpoint may be in the majority though
I'm not an alt .
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000Hunter000
Gallente Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2011.03.13 00:58:00 -
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If the list is true... then KILL EM ALL!!!
Then again, they could have given the RL monies to ccp and bought plex to sell ingame
These are the moments that do make me question if i should keep playing or not... (i just questioned it, the answer is no, and u cannot have my stuff) ________________________________________________
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GateScout
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Posted - 2011.03.13 01:02:00 -
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Looks like microtransactions are going to be a huge success in this game. Can wait to see that get rolled out.
Yes. I'm serious.
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.13 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 12/03/2011 19:49:11
Originally by: Hecatonis the lists will lead to the bots as a good amount of income will come from them. you have to start somewhere, your point it moot, the list helps CCP in their hunt.
Wrong. CCP does not need "to start somewhere". They have already started, a long time ago and know how to find bots best. The question still is to whose bots this list will lead should it actually lead somewhere. Might just be a dead trail that is going to keep CCP's staff chasing after a ghost. So CCP might as well just keep pursuing their own course. It is stupid to trust someone anonymous to do the job for you especially when it means a lot of extra work for you.
it is a safe guess that there are 1000's or transactions in eve every second, yes they need to start somewhere, since there are many bots and many transactions this will narrow who the major farmers are, so yes, you are still incorrect
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Originally by: Hecatonis the victim is CCP, that is money they could use to upgrade servers, hire new people, spend more on beer in pizza. your victim is them, your point is moot
Sure is CCP a victim, too, but if they start banning thousands of players, then they will also lose paying customers.
Are you then going to pay CCP the difference of lost subscriptions just so you can see a massive player ban?
you proved my point, you claimed it was a victimless crime
Originally by: Whitehound Where there is no victim there is no crime. If no damage is being done and no victim can be found then no punishment shall occur, even when an act is against the law.
now you fall back as contradict your own comment, i understand you are trying to troll, but you really need to be better at this.
since there is a victim, then here needs to be punishment, this is something we both agree on ( we both agree on it because you stated in the above post). this punishment is set out in the EULA they can remove the money, remove the items, and ban your account.
so you can stop your arm waving and fear mongering because you are just here to argue, so am i, but the different between us is. i am better at it then you.
troll on little brother, but remember, smarter people then yourself troll this forum.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.13 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Hecatonis it is a safe guess that there are 1000's or transactions in eve every second, yes they need to start somewhere, since there are many bots and many transactions this will narrow who the major farmers are, so yes, you are still incorrect
Wrong. CCP is going after bots even before you started playing EVE. You think they need you to show them where to start? You think that they do not know how and where to find them?
You are a noob with a hero affliction. Who is going to save us from you?
Originally by: Hecatonis you proved my point, you claimed it was a victimless crime
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.13 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Hecatonis it is a safe guess that there are 1000's or transactions in eve every second, yes they need to start somewhere, since there are many bots and many transactions this will narrow who the major farmers are, so yes, you are still incorrect
Wrong. CCP is going after bots even before you started playing EVE. You think they need you to show them where to start? You think that they do not know how and where to find them?
well since i have been playing since shortly after beta, you might be correct, its a really close call if you ask me.
Quote: You are a noob with a hero affliction. Who is going to save us from you?
3rd post to me and you are at name calling. wow, your good at this. calling me a 'noob' doesn't invalidate my points, but it does shrink your epeen
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Originally by: Hecatonis you proved my point, you claimed it was a victimless crime
Wrong. I did not claim it to be victimless. I pointed out who the victims are.
Originally by: Whitehound Where there is no victim there is no crime. If no damage is being done and no victim can be found then no punishment shall occur, even when an act is against the law. If we would punish people regardless of this then it would make us heartless people. Now EVE is just a game and not the real world. Here it is even more important not to punish people too quickly. So generally no, cheaters should not be punished, but only the hardest cases.
this RMT site and the people that used it cost CCP over a quarter of a million dollars USD, if they wanted the isk they could have used that same money and bought a PLEX, that is a pretty hard case. and then yes, they need to be punished.
we all can tell that you are trying vainly to try to lay the ground work for your inevitable ban/ negative wallet, just so you can say "look now the took my money and i never bought any ever, its a witch hunt, CCP is evil, i told you all, i was right, bla bla bla bla bla wah" but its falling short.
your argument is flawed, you continually contradict yourself, and now you are resorting to name calling. your argument is lost, saddly you just fail to realize that.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.13 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 13/03/2011 18:56:40
Originally by: Hecatonis well since i have been playing since shortly after beta ...
Then prove it and post with your main.
Originally by: Hecatonis 3rd post to me and you are at name calling. wow, your good at this. calling me a 'noob' doesn't invalidate my points, but it does shrink your epeen
It is the truth, noob.
Originally by: Hecatonis you continually contradict yourself
You wish. Why do you not cry me a river, noob? --
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.13 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 13/03/2011 18:56:40
Originally by: Hecatonis well since i have been playing since shortly after beta ...
Then prove it and post with your main.
Originally by: Hecatonis 3rd post to me and you are at name calling. wow, your good at this. calling me a 'noob' doesn't invalidate my points, but it does shrink your epeen
It is the truth, noob.
Originally by: Hecatonis you continually contradict yourself
You wish. Why do you not cry me a river, noob?
my first toon is long gone. i have a running rule, play with one char, no more, no less. it keeps the game fresh.
since you failed to argue any of my points and preceded to become more childish i will consider this argument won, nice chatting with you.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.13 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hecatonis my first toon is long gone. i have a running rule, play with one char, no more, no less. it keeps the game fresh.
So you have no proof but still want people to believe you are not a noob? This alone makes you a noob!
Originally by: Hecatonis since you failed to argue any of my points and preceded to become more childish i will consider this argument won, nice chatting with you.
No, you did not win or lose. You are dreaming a day dream. --
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.13 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Hecatonis my first toon is long gone. i have a running rule, play with one char, no more, no less. it keeps the game fresh.
So you have no proof but still want people to believe you are not a noob? This alone makes you a noob!
Originally by: Hecatonis since you failed to argue any of my points and preceded to become more childish i will consider this argument won, nice chatting with you.
No, you did not win or lose. You are dreaming a day dream.
it seems that you are only 7 months older to the game then me, this doesn't leave you in the bitter vet realm yet.
your argument was so paper thin that it only took me a handful of posts to lead you to name calling. you sir couldn't hold a point if it was taped to your hands.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.13 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 13/03/2011 19:48:39
Originally by: Hecatonis it seems that you are only 7 months older to the game then me, this doesn't leave you in the bitter vet realm yet.
No, it does not make me a vet, but it makes you a liar.
Tell me something interesting. How is the weather where you live? --
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Hecatonis
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.13 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 13/03/2011 19:48:39
Originally by: Hecatonis it seems that you are only 7 months older to the game then me, this doesn't leave you in the bitter vet realm yet.
No, it does not make me a vet, but it makes you a liar.
Tell me something interesting. How is the weather where you live?
you will have to explain how i am a liar?
its windy and over cast, how is yours?
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.13 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hecatonis you will have to explain how i am a liar?
You said you are playing since the beta, then you said you are younger than me. This makes you a liar.
Originally by: Hecatonis its windy and over cast, how is yours?
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.13 20:35:00 -
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So, Whitehound, now that it has been clearly established that not only are you a poor quality troll, but also an idiot and a purchaser of RMT ISK, please tell us just how much you are in for.
I'm going to guess at around 8-12 billion ISK and possibly some high end faction gear. There is even the possibilty that you purchased one or more characters using RMT ISK, or possibly just bought an entire account from an RMT site.
Anyone else want to hazzard a guess?
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