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KNK
Mugen Industry Tricell Coalition
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Posted - 2011.03.13 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate Edited by: Selinate on 12/03/2011 15:21:53 Edited by: Selinate on 12/03/2011 15:01:32
Originally by: KNK explosion happened in a nuclear reactor just now...
No it didn't. The building exploded, apparently. Reactor containment vessel is fine.
In fact, it seems to have been so. When I watched live news, all source of informations fell into a panic. Several hours later, I heard relief team removed crisis of unit No.1 nuclear reactor.
But do not forget that the problem of the 1,400+ victims is not still settled. Also, we should think about how we can save them who waits for help in frozen mud, about not Godzilla.
I am not living in the disaster area, but, I wanna say thank for you guys having worried about this disaster caused in our small country.
Originally by: Cpt Advile Edited by: Cpt Advile on 12/03/2011 23:28:33 "Meltdown may be under way at Fukushima nuclear reactor, official with Japan's nuclear safety agency tells CNN."
taken from their own webpage @ http://edition.cnn.com/
I believe that they use seawater for cooling of unit No. 3 reactor on the basis of experience of unit No. 1 reactor at an early stage. |
Zachstar
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Posted - 2011.03.13 01:18:00 -
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#1 Is being filled with Seawater. #3 is hot but no seawater yet. And no even at worst this cant be worse than even Three mile Island.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2011.03.13 02:15:00 -
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Bad news. The official is not ruling out the possibility that #3 has also melted down. If this has happened this means that the plant will have lost 2 major reactors and a good amount of its total power generation ability. Bad news for the economy of Japan.
Notice how I am more worried about economic damage than stupid worries over radiation. You get MUCH more exposure from a a long flight and MANY times more just standing outside than whatever this reactor could do outside of the local area.
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egegergergsdgedgege
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Posted - 2011.03.13 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar Bad news. The official is not ruling out the possibility that #3 has also melted down. If this has happened this means that the plant will have lost 2 major reactors and a good amount of its total power generation ability. Bad news for the economy of Japan.
Notice how I am more worried about economic damage than stupid worries over radiation. You get MUCH more exposure from a a long flight and MANY times more just standing outside than whatever this reactor could do outside of the local area.
Ah hello Mr Expert. Than you can sure tell me how much radiation i get from a long flight.
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.03.13 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: egegergergsdgedgege
Originally by: Zachstar Bad news. The official is not ruling out the possibility that #3 has also melted down. If this has happened this means that the plant will have lost 2 major reactors and a good amount of its total power generation ability. Bad news for the economy of Japan.
Notice how I am more worried about economic damage than stupid worries over radiation. You get MUCH more exposure from a a long flight and MANY times more just standing outside than whatever this reactor could do outside of the local area.
Ah hello Mr Expert. Than you can sure tell me how much radiation i get from a long flight.
About 0.238 mrem (millirem) per hour.
The more you know...
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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KNK
Mugen Industry Tricell Coalition
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Posted - 2011.03.13 03:16:00 -
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This quake's magnitude was revised to 9.0. Also, the number of dead/missing persons are 2,800 at the moment. |
La5eR
Amarr Infinite Improbability Inc -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.03.13 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: KNK This quake's magnitude was revised to 9.0. Also, the number of dead/missing persons are 2,800 at the moment.
Where do you get that information from? USGS website: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/ still has it at 8.9
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KNK
Mugen Industry Tricell Coalition
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Posted - 2011.03.13 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: La5eR
Originally by: KNK This quake's magnitude was revised to 9.0. Also, the number of dead/missing persons are 2,800 at the moment.
Where do you get that information from? USGS website: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/ still has it at 8.9
It was announced at the press conference of the Meteorological Agency, each wesite will be updated. |
Selinate
Amarr Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.13 04:45:00 -
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Edited by: Selinate on 13/03/2011 04:46:14
Originally by: Hoya en Marland Edited by: Hoya en Marland on 13/03/2011 00:42:36
Originally by: Zachstar Can we keep talk of Chernobyl out of this. COMPLETELY different reactor designs and safety margins.
It's not about the design, safety margins and event triggers, but the danger of runaway nuclear reaction and final outcome which could be the same as in Chernobyl. Hense the reference.
If you know absolutely anything about nuclear reactors and Chernobyl, you'd realize why any comparison at all to Chernobyl in this incident is completely asinine.
Let me make one thing clear. THERE NEVER WAS ANY CHANCE OF A RUNAWAY REACTOR. Never. Not at any point in time. No, it does not matter what any news anchor idiot says, it does not matter what the "experts" (who got their degree from watching a special on the discovery channel, apparently) say, there was never any chance at all. Period.
In addition to this, there never was a "meltdown". Not in any of the reactors. Again, I don't care what some idiot anchorman said on the news. There is a possibility of Unit 1 being exposed for some time due to lack of coolant, however, if there was a meltdown, you would know it for sure, not all this "Maybe there was a meltdown?" "POSSIBLE MELTDOWN" crap. Why? Because meltdown means that the entire reactor melted into a puddle of liquid radioactive nastiness. If this happens, it's generally very noticeable. Also, if the reactor is flooded with sea water and boric acid, that alone tells me that the reactor is still in tact, and definitely never melted down.
EDIT: If you want reliable information on the nuclear incident, this is the website you should look at.
TEPCO
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2011.03.13 04:57:00 -
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There was a partial meltdown. The same where TMI was a partial meltdown except this is obviously far less.
The word is that the water level got too low and likely one or more rods got partially exposed. That would be enough for a partial meltdown. Nothing too serious but guarantees that the #1 and now possibly #3 reactors will never be used again.
Flooding with highly corrosive seawater is a last ditch measure for a loss of coolant event. The reactor even if the rods are perfectly intact is ruined. Also its very likely they had no time to do any serious filtering of the seawater anyway and put boron in as a reaction poison. There is no way they will attempt to repair it. They will just likely accelerate building of one or more of the ABWR planned for the plant. But that will leave them with a serious electrical generation shortage for years.
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Selinate
Amarr Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.13 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar There was a partial meltdown. The same where TMI was a partial meltdown except this is obviously far less.
The word is that the water level got too low and likely one or more rods got partially exposed. That would be enough for a partial meltdown. Nothing too serious but guarantees that the #1 and now possibly #3 reactors will never be used again.
"The word is"... Is this coming from a credible source, or is this just speculation?
Also, what melted? The fuel? Containment vessel?
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.03.13 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Zachstar There was a partial meltdown. The same where TMI was a partial meltdown except this is obviously far less.
The word is that the water level got too low and likely one or more rods got partially exposed. That would be enough for a partial meltdown. Nothing too serious but guarantees that the #1 and now possibly #3 reactors will never be used again.
"The word is"... Is this coming from a credible source, or is this just speculation?
Also, what melted? The fuel? Containment vessel?
The nuclear pile?
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2011.03.13 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Zachstar There was a partial meltdown. The same where TMI was a partial meltdown except this is obviously far less.
The word is that the water level got too low and likely one or more rods got partially exposed. That would be enough for a partial meltdown. Nothing too serious but guarantees that the #1 and now possibly #3 reactors will never be used again.
"The word is"... Is this coming from a credible source, or is this just speculation?
Also, what melted? The fuel? Containment vessel?
NHK News who have so far been quite reliable for info. Being the first to announce the reactor ruining seawater pumping as well as the issues with #3 Also the official doing the press conference has been very forthcoming and is not trying to hide the facts in my opinion.
Most likely what melted is the tops of the fuel rods which starts with the metal coating. This introduces fission products into the reactor and eventually outside through the pressure venting. Cessium detection is normally a dead giveaway there is atleast a partial meltdown.
Containment vessel is holding. TMI held while the top parts of the fuel rods completely melted due to a far more serious loss of coolant. What I am reading is these are results of "brief" exposure to air meaning partial reactor ruining but not serious risk events.
It's starting to seem more and more that #3 suffered a similar issue meaning it too will have to be decommissioned. At 784 MW that is going to hurt quite a bit more than #1 in the long term power production.
Thankfully 4-6 are far more powerful and that will help but only until they have to be turned off for maintenance.
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Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
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Posted - 2011.03.13 09:34:00 -
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"In the coastal town of Minami-sanriku in Miyagi Prefecture, about 10,000 people have not been in contact. That is more than half the town's population of 17,000. Most of the town's buildings have been washed away by a tsunami, though a hospital and several other concrete structures are still standing".
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.13 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar Bad news. The official is not ruling out the possibility that #3 has also melted down. If this has happened this means that the plant will have lost 2 major reactors and a good amount of its total power generation ability. Bad news for the economy of Japan.
Notice how I am more worried about economic damage than stupid worries over radiation. You get MUCH more exposure from a a long flight and MANY times more just standing outside than whatever this reactor could do outside of the local area.
Since there are different types of ionizing radiation and we do not yet know which one was, or will be, released from the plant I would not be so quick to dismiss serious health risks caused by a partial breach of the reactors containment.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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KNK
Mugen Industry Tricell Coalition
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Posted - 2011.03.14 02:39:00 -
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An explosion was caused at No.3 / 2:01 UTC The details are unclear atm |
egegergergsdgedgege
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Posted - 2011.03.14 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Zachstar
Also, what melted? The fuel? Containment vessel?
The fuel rods in reactor 1 and 3 at least patially melted due to still ongoing secundary reactions and the broken cooling system.
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.03.14 09:22:00 -
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No. 2 going down too:
The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency says a reactor at a power plant in quake-hit Fukushima Prefecture has lost all its cooling capability.
The agency said on Monday that Tokyo Electric Power Company notified the agency of an emergency at the Number Two reactor at its Fukushima Number One power station.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.03.14 10:12:00 -
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This youtube video is very interesting (taken from Nakano Ward, Tokyo)
It appears that they have an earthquake early warning system that accurately predicted the Mar 11 Japan earthquake. Certainly a useful system if proved reliable.
(東北地方太平洋沖地震(東北関東大震災)の東京都中野区の揺れ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQVPfQu50yY&feature=player_embedded
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.03.14 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sturmwolke This youtube video is very interesting (taken from Nakano Ward, Tokyo)
It appears that they have an earthquake early warning system that accurately predicted the Mar 11 Japan earthquake. Certainly a useful system if proved reliable.
(東北地方太平洋沖地震(東北関東大震災)の東京都中野区の揺れ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQVPfQu50yY&feature=player_embedded
Didn't help them much
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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KNK
Mugen Industry Tricell Coalition
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Posted - 2011.03.14 11:06:00 -
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all of fuel rods of No2 reactor cropped out |
Cpt Advile
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Posted - 2011.03.14 15:02:00 -
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one of the pluses in this case vs Chernobyl is that the fuel in these reactors has a half-life of only 3 days. ________________________________ ACXtreme @ deviantart |
Thuranni
Eldjotnar
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Posted - 2011.03.14 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Thuranni on 14/03/2011 18:52:19
Originally by: Cpt Advile one of the pluses in this case vs Chernobyl is that the fuel in these reactors has a half-life of only 3 days.
No, you know what one of the pluses of this vs Chernobyl is?
Chernobyl was a major freaking disaster which released a ****ton of radioactive particles into the atmosphere, this is a relative non-event which will only result in some reactors being decommissioned, and the only reason that anyone outside of Japan even knows about this is the shock-hungry media which will blow literally anything out of proportion.
Comparing this in any way to Chernobyl is just dumb.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2011.03.14 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 14/03/2011 18:52:19
Originally by: Cpt Advile one of the pluses in this case vs Chernobyl is that the fuel in these reactors has a half-life of only 3 days.
No, you know what one of the pluses of this vs Chernobyl is?
Chernobyl was a major freaking disaster which released a ****ton of radioactive particles into the atmosphere, this is a relative non-event which will only result in some reactors being decommissioned, and the only reason that anyone outside of Japan even knows about this is the shock-hungry media which will blow literally anything out of proportion.
Comparing this in any way to Chernobyl is just dumb.
The scale of this accident is nothing like Chernobyl but claiming that exploding reactors are a non event is also dumb.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.14 20:33:00 -
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Knowing little to nothing about the technical aspects of nuclear energy, I found this explanation helpful: http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_risk/safety/clarifying-japans-nuclear-disaster.html - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.03.14 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Knowing little to nothing about the technical aspects of nuclear energy, I found this explanation helpful: http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_risk/safety/clarifying-japans-nuclear-disaster.html
so from what I understand, the only way that the nuclear accident becomes something even close to a Chernobyl or a Three Mile is, stuff needs to go down south very fast, very dirty and must obey to a certain amount of pre-existing conditions? ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.14 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Barakkus Knowing little to nothing about the technical aspects of nuclear energy, I found this explanation helpful: http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_risk/safety/clarifying-japans-nuclear-disaster.html
so from what I understand, the only way that the nuclear accident becomes something even close to a Chernobyl or a Three Mile is, stuff needs to go down south very fast, very dirty and must obey to a certain amount of pre-existing conditions?
I read elsewhere that Chernobyl was using something like graphite or some **** that was flamable for something which made the whole thing pretty much just blow up making it much worse...but I don't know what that's all about though. From what I can gather the reactors in Japan are completely different and wouldn't produce a Chernobyl like effect. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.03.14 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Barakkus Knowing little to nothing about the technical aspects of nuclear energy, I found this explanation helpful: http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_risk/safety/clarifying-japans-nuclear-disaster.html
so from what I understand, the only way that the nuclear accident becomes something even close to a Chernobyl or a Three Mile is, stuff needs to go down south very fast, very dirty and must obey to a certain amount of pre-existing conditions?
I read elsewhere that Chernobyl was using something like graphite or some **** that was flamable for something which made the whole thing pretty much just blow up making it much worse...but I don't know what that's all about though. From what I can gather the reactors in Japan are completely different and wouldn't produce a Chernobyl like effect.
Chernobyl reactors used graphite rods to stop fission yes. That and a badly trained personnel and a multitude of human errors, bad maintenance and obsolete equipment (graphite rods were considered very obsolete even for the date of the Chernobyl accident), made the issue escalate into what it's known today, afaik. Atm if I'm not mistaken, the damaged reactor is still on fire inside the concrete sarcophagus that was built at the cost of the life of pretty much all the ones that went there to cover it up.
Also, there are reports that the concrete sarcophagus is starting to display some cracks. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Mutant Caldari
Caldari Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.03.14 23:26:00 -
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I think this is relevant so I'll just leave this here. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? Killboard link is not allowed to be used in a signature.Applebabe
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.03.14 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mutant Caldari I think this is relevant so I'll just leave this here.
thank you for showing me yet again that my utter lack of faith on mankind is not unfounded. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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