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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
210
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Posted - 2012.08.27 17:08:00 -
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This only works if everything affected by your account turns off if you use hourly fee. In essence, I pay for my skill training while AFK and thus, am playing 24/7.
Could be a option for those having maxed most skills and strictly pvp'ing when online since the following must be turned off: -skill training when not online -any market transactions linked to the account (buy/sell/contracts) -any passive industrial tasks (manufacturing, research, PI, etc.) -datacores -etc, etc.
This would become advantageous only for very specific accounts and might possibly be the end-game for those who have played this game for a long time. A sort of "retirement" plan, if you will...
EDIT: To those saying this would reduce CCP's income - what about the players who don't play EVE strictly because of the subscription model? What little they might lose from the low percentage of accounts which would actually benefit from this, they would gain much more imo in new players interested by the suggested subscription plan. |
Probebly Afk Cloaking
No Self Esteem Imperius Legio Victrix
2
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Posted - 2012.08.27 17:14:00 -
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bad idea to just bother little lonesome me
stop pissing on my profession
i do valuable work for the eve community
just move system if i bother you, not like ill follow i'm afk anyway
i pay for 30 day's so 23,5/7
put a sock in your idea and move on
P.A.C.
ps. afk cloaking working as intended |
Cristl
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.08.27 17:15:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote: And everyone would still pick the 30 day option, so...
No.
No, it would not introduce a soft-limit on anything, as people would still pick the 30 day option for skill training. It would also be pretty awful if you were in the middle of a fun fight & all of a sudden your gametime expired. This is easily one of the worst ideas I've ever seen.
Aw. Mallak, please try to get your head around this. It's not a choice that the user picks mate, and yes, 150 hours *is* yonks. It wasn't long ago that France decided to abolish the 35 hour work week. That's about 150 hours per month mate. That's WORK: you know, the time that isn't consumed by sleeping, eating, a bit of telly and some 'hunt the banana'. Trust me, 150 hours on a video game would be fine for everyone (that wasn't RMTing). |
Tiberius StarGazer
COPIERGLOBALHYPERMEGANET
5
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Posted - 2012.08.27 17:20:00 -
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Be great for me as a trader, log on, make my trades, log off, only need 30 min a day, and hey presto I get 300 days for the price off the subcription.
Never mind CCP, you dont need the other 10 months I would have ordinarily have paid for as I now don't see the need to maximise my time in game.
As model for a business... not ideal to ensure a regular cashflow. Which ultimately, CCP will be relying on the regular monthly money paid to ensure ongoing income. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
978
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Posted - 2012.08.27 17:31:00 -
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its still going backwards though. Unlimited month to only so many hours for the same price is horrible marketing.
Players can take individual mechanic nerfs, as long as its for the greater good. Yet putting a limit on the whole game that wasn't there before (even if just parts such as site rooms) is maddening. Would would have a riot.
Its easier in terms of PR and function to modify truly broken mechanics if they actually feel that are broken, such as afk cloaking.
Limiting the game as a whole, even if the majority wouldn't use up the time is still taking away what they once had the option in doing. This isn't taking away a function like dual afterburners, this is subscription and effects everything despite "timers off in specific zones".
Tiberius StarGazer wrote:Be great for me as a trader, log on, make my trades, log off, only need 30 min a day, and hey presto I get 300 days for the price off the subcription.
no, she wants 150 hours or a month, which ever comes first. She wants to limit game time as a whole to try and effect botters and afk cloaks. not you getting more time for cheaper. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
236
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Posted - 2012.08.27 17:48:00 -
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30 days or 150 hours means that people who play more than 150 hours in a month would pay more to play EVE.
This guy only logs out when the server goes down each morning. He sits in a station, manufacturing and updating market orders. It's easier to stay logged in and check orders every couple hours or so than it is to log in every time I want to check my orders. Not to mention I can check my orders anywhere I have wifi thanks to remote desktop.
Auto logging out isn't necessary either. Automatically logging off afk players only effects market guys, manufacturers, and afk cloaked ships. The first two have zero impact on anyone, and the third is best fixed by removing cloaked ships from the local list.
The OP's idea just looks like a poorly thought out idea to prevent afk cloaked ships in a system.
PS, bots won't register as afk, and would only be effected by the 150 hour limit. ****** idea to discourage bottling as it would also discourage anyone that plays often to not play as much so that they only reach the 30 day limit. EVE would be better off with mechanics that encourage you to log in more, for longer, than it would the opposite. |
Sugar Kyle
The humbleless Crew Capital Punishment.
91
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Posted - 2012.08.27 17:50:00 -
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The OP seems to have developed an idea of how much gaming is acceptable for other people. If they want to play more then the OPs acceptable five hour a day maximum they shall be punished by paying more money. I am puzzled by the fact that the OP feels that CCP wishes to do anything to decrease the energy its obsessive players put into it.
OP, I wonder what you do with your time. Grind and log? For some their game of Eve has little relation to red crosses or the ships they spin.
Is this a stealth trader buff or a stealth FW nerf? I am undecided.
Also, its nice that France feels 35 hours a week is to much. My minimum is 42 per week and I am fortunate when I can keep it that low. It is also arrogant of you to assume everyone has the same life interests that you do and define as normal. I do not watch television and do not count any of it into my personal time. Tilde soaked words from something kinda like a pirate. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
809
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Posted - 2012.08.27 17:56:00 -
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Cristl wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Bad idea is bad. Fantastic. It would be great if you could elaborate just a tiny bit on that mate.
no point, everyone else has pretty much brought up the issues with the idea. I think it should stay the way it is currently. There is nothing wrong with it, no need to change it. |
Thrym Garsk
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:05:00 -
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Cristl wrote:I hope this isn't taken as a troll post because I wrote it in all seriousness. Quite a few people seem to have gotten the wrong end though, so some clarification:
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It might as well be a troll post, that's how terrible the idea is. Fortunately no game company would ever really be stupid enough to do it.
You don't make game mechanic fixes by screwing with your subscription model. You make game mechanic fixes by screwing with game mechanics.
On top of this, the game is old. You most assuredly don't take the oldest full blown subscription model game and change the subscription to potentially be worth LESS than it has been in the past---products go down in price as they become obsolete, not up. |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
674
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:07:00 -
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Since it's already covered why this 'idea' is bad, I ilke to advice the OP to biomass him/ her/ it self.
Just login one more time, go to the screen where you can select the character then find the tiny skull and click it. Continue pressing yes, and save us from your bad, bad idea's in the future.
With love and regards,
/Me. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
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Riot Girl
State War Academy Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:21:00 -
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There's no need to be mean. It's just an idea, not a threat. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1254
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:22:00 -
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I only have one question OP: what are you trying to fix?
This doesn't seem to do anything except make those who play more than x number fo hours have to pay more (btw, for those who are below the legal job age during summer vacation, 150 hours of EVE is less than a week). |
Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention Middle of Nowhere
5
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:33:00 -
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Hi,
his/her idea not far from CCP+CSM, as you can see in the 2011 December CSM Summit meeting minutes on page 29, although not the same: "One idea that came up was a micro-PLEX (not Aurum), for example allowing the option to break down PLEX 30 micro-PLEXes which could in turn allow you to pay subscription for one day, 10 days or 30 days in addition to spending it on vanity items. Micro-PLEX might also possibly be convertible back into PLEX, though there was some debate as to whether this was a good idea. Then the option of trading micro-PLEX for ISK would be the most obvious solution. While nothing was decided, discussion received positively by both parties."
As it seems CCP is (or at least was) open for shorter subscription periods.
Regards |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
981
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:42:00 -
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Vorll Minaaran wrote: As it seems CCP is (or at least was) open for shorter subscription periods.
This isn't the same idea though. Its a far cry from "you can use a micro plex for a week or 35 hours, which ever comes first".
CCP's micro plex, like 15 days. its cute and all, yet its still 15 days. not less in pure hours as the OP would want. |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
875
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:45:00 -
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Cristl wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: And everyone would still pick the 30 day option, so...
No.
No, it would not introduce a soft-limit on anything, as people would still pick the 30 day option for skill training. It would also be pretty awful if you were in the middle of a fun fight & all of a sudden your gametime expired. This is easily one of the worst ideas I've ever seen.
Aw. Mallak, please try to get your head around this. It's not a choice that the user picks mate, and yes, 150 hours *is* yonks. It wasn't long ago that France decided to abolish the 35 hour work week. That's about 150 hours per month mate. That's WORK: you know, the time that isn't consumed by sleeping, eating, a bit of telly and some 'hunt the banana'. Trust me, 150 hours on a video game would be fine for everyone (that wasn't RMTing).
Summer Holidays, Winter Holidays, any holidays, disabled people who don't work, old people who are retired.
Your "idea" would destroy EVE within a year. Considering EVE is one of very few monthly subscription games that is still growing, albeit slowly, while most others are going f2p, the only thing your inane idea would achieve would be a rapid and abysmal death for this game. No one is going to pay to play by the hour just because you don't like AFK cloakers.
Ban OP, gas thread.
My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
Garreth Vlox
Blackened Skies The Unthinkables
95
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:56:00 -
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Cristl wrote:This has high-octane flame potential. Please give it a proper read before popping the safeties. Cheers :)
What if the subscription model was changed from units of '30 days' to units of '30 days or 150 hours logged-on time, whichever elapses first' ?
If you think about it, 150 hours must cover almost all of the people who play Eve 'normally' (responses to a recent thread certainly suggested it would). An average of 5 hours each and every day for a month (or equivalent) is pretty lengthy play. Besides, if you're exceeding 150 hours a month and earning, say, 10 million ISK an hour, then you cover several PLEXs handsomely anyway.
I think this would introduce a soft limit to how much benefit someone can get from AFK behaviour and therefore addresses quite a few issues such as Domis in COSMOS plexes, major AFK mining operations etc., but also as-yet undiscovered methods. And no policing of the system would be required at all.
You'd need to allow players to select options along the lines of: GÇ£if I don't do anything for 30 minutes please log me offGÇ¥ and maybe AFK cloakers would need something too, but otherwise it seems like it would curb (or at least tax) excessive bot-like behaviour.
What do you think?
ROFL...wait did this moron just say that he wants CCP to charge me more if I play more than 150 hours? That's a joke right? Yeah you'll screw over those few characters that afk full time but you **** everyone who plays the game more than you do.
on another note,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTfl0kfPI4M <--- here is a fire, please die in it immediately. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Still Censored
676
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:58:00 -
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Should probably mention "in game" with that threat.
Also passing out while playing Eve would become a lot more costly. |
Landrae
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
350
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:36:00 -
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I can see this being a decent idea in Korea and such where gamers die from starvation while gaming because they forget to eat. But anywhere else this is a terrible idea. I'm happy to give money to CCP but not so they can try and pretend to be my mother and tell when how much I can play. Trash this terrible idea.
Edit: No Just No Welcome to Eve Online |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
89
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:40:00 -
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You are paying for the ability to access the servers when you wish to during your subscription period, you are not specifically paying for the time you actually do access them.
p.s.After running this game for over 8 years, CCP probably know more about account payment mechanisms than random posters on forums. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:50:00 -
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Right now I'm paying whatever a month costs. You are suggesting that I should get less than I am already paying for for the same amount of money.
If you don't understand why that is a bad idea then you aren't "trolling", just bad at math. |
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Cristl
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:09:00 -
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Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Right now I'm paying whatever a month costs. You are suggesting that I should get less than I am already paying for for the same amount of money.
If you don't understand why that is a bad idea then you aren't "trolling", just bad at math.
No, you're just a knob-end. Please re-read the op and comment.
thanks, bye! |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
982
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:12:00 -
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Cristl wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Right now I'm paying whatever a month costs. You are suggesting that I should get less than I am already paying for for the same amount of money.
If you don't understand why that is a bad idea then you aren't "trolling", just bad at math. No, you're just a knob-end. Please re-read the op and comment. thanks, bye!
Yet you are suggesting that we should get less than what we are already paying. |
Cristl
Perkone Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:36:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Cristl wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Right now I'm paying whatever a month costs. You are suggesting that I should get less than I am already paying for for the same amount of money.
If you don't understand why that is a bad idea then you aren't "trolling", just bad at math. No, you're just a knob-end. Please re-read the op and comment. thanks, bye! Yet you are suggesting that we should get less than what we are already paying.
No I'm not. Not unless you play more than 150 hours a month.
Do you play more than 150 hours a month Roll Sizzle B? Even after my "first 30-min is free" discount and "no timer in stations" discount?
I bet you dont. Also, I bet way over 90% of the people here don't. But that's just us Beefy. You know, I could really use a nice well-toned industrious boy like you around the place. You up for that beefy-weeffy?
*owww...chicka chicka..pow wow... Oh yeah....!
Night folks! See ya later! |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
876
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:54:00 -
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Cristl wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Cristl wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Right now I'm paying whatever a month costs. You are suggesting that I should get less than I am already paying for for the same amount of money.
If you don't understand why that is a bad idea then you aren't "trolling", just bad at math. No, you're just a knob-end. Please re-read the op and comment. thanks, bye! Yet you are suggesting that we should get less than what we are already paying. No I'm not. Not unless you play more than 150 hours a month. Do you play more than 150 hours a month Roll Sizzle B? Even after my "first 30-min is free" discount and "no timer in stations" discount? I bet you dont. Also, I bet way over 90% of the people here don't. But that's just us Beefy. You know, I could really use a nice well-toned industrious boy like you around the place. You up for that beefy-weeffy? *owww...chicka chicka..pow wow... Oh yeah....! Night folks! See ya later!
Just because you seem to have missed what I said earlier, here it is again;
Summer Holidays, Winter Holidays, any holidays, disabled people who don't work, old people who are retired.
Hopefully it is clear enough now. In all the above instances, people can and do play more than 150 hours a month. Even those with jobs. Your "idea" would curtail peoples play time during their holiday periods, not to mention disabled or retired people on lower incomes, unless of course they wanted to pay even more for the privilege of playing.
And calling people knob-ends just proves you are the poorest of trolls. My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
Barrak
Wormhole Engineers Review and Evaluation Greater Realms
53
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Posted - 2012.08.27 21:13:00 -
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So..... and not to be to 'flamey', you'd be happy for players to make billions worth of ISK on the back of a single 30 day value subscription?
Indy types, traders and PI, in SOME cases, do not require substantial 'online' time, thus I could subscribe a single account for whatever the going rate for a monthly subscription is now and then log in for 1hr a day and make ISK............. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
984
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Posted - 2012.08.27 21:28:00 -
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Cristl wrote:No I'm not. Not unless you play more than 150 hours a month.
Do you play more than 150 hours a month Roll Sizzle B? Even after my "first 30-min is free" discount and "no timer in stations" discount?
I bet you dont. Also, I bet way over 90% of the people here don't. But that's just us Beefy. You know, I could really use a nice well-toned industrious boy like you around the place. You up for that beefy-weeffy?
*owww...chicka chicka..pow wow... Oh yeah....!
Night folks! See ya later!
I could, and I have. I work full time yet I get 4 days off a week. 10 hour days of semi afk behavior for the majority of the time. Is that afk cloaked in nul making people parinoid? no. Its guarding exits in wormholes and keep track of incoming and outgoing traffic, or scouting lowsec routes to pull in more fuel. Much of this takes tons of time with no immediate profit. You are suggesting we get less than what we pay for currently. it's math. Doesn't matter what you think the majority might do on average yet its our option and right to play the game for as many hours as we would like within a month. This shouldn't be calculated some some vague isk/hr ratio as depending on how you play you may always be dirt poor, or you make more money than you know what to do with.
Instead of this poorly thought out idea. Why not think of new mechanics that do the same exact function. Give Cloaks a 3600s activation that cant be auto cycled. Change mining grids daily like scan sites, or large sites with different ore locations which would likely be Ring mining. Can old static DED sites or make the rewards for killing those specific ships acquire diminishing returns so you cant blap them all day in Domies.
If you are indeed serious about trying to stop specific behaviors, quit trying to ram a square peg into a round hole. |
Garreth Vlox
Blackened Skies The Unthinkables
95
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Posted - 2012.08.27 21:51:00 -
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Cristl wrote:Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:Cristl wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Right now I'm paying whatever a month costs. You are suggesting that I should get less than I am already paying for for the same amount of money.
If you don't understand why that is a bad idea then you aren't "trolling", just bad at math. No, you're just a knob-end. Please re-read the op and comment. thanks, bye! Yet you are suggesting that we should get less than what we are already paying. No I'm not. Not unless you play more than 150 hours a month. Do you play more than 150 hours a month Roll Sizzle B? Even after my "first 30-min is free" discount and "no timer in stations" discount? I bet you dont. Also, I bet way over 90% of the people here don't. But that's just us Beefy. You know, I could really use a nice well-toned industrious boy like you around the place. You up for that beefy-weeffy? *owww...chicka chicka..pow wow... Oh yeah....! Night folks! See ya later!
Just because you don't play more than 150 hours a month doesn't mean you aren't getting less than you previously payed for. I play that easy and most of that is moving stuff or watching pipelines while moving/using shinnies. If I pay 15$ a month for unlimited access and then that gets changed to 150 hours for 15$ I'm still losing time regardless of whether you use it or not, you are losing time you payed for. Please go back to high school and ask you old math teacher to explain the concept again as you obviously weren't paying attention the first time 15$/30 days doens't = 15$/150 hours. It doesn't even come close.
Also posting in a stealth cloaky whine thread. |
Landrae
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
350
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Posted - 2012.08.27 22:31:00 -
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10/10 on your troll post OP.
Successful troll is successful. Welcome to Eve Online |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
154
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Posted - 2012.08.28 01:54:00 -
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Not sure if srs I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Mallak Azaria
587
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Posted - 2012.08.28 05:05:00 -
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Cristl wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote: And everyone would still pick the 30 day option, so...
No.
No, it would not introduce a soft-limit on anything, as people would still pick the 30 day option for skill training. It would also be pretty awful if you were in the middle of a fun fight & all of a sudden your gametime expired. This is easily one of the worst ideas I've ever seen.
Aw. Mallak, please try to get your head around this. It's not a choice that the user picks mate, and yes, 150 hours *is* yonks. It wasn't long ago that France decided to abolish the 35 hour work week. That's about 150 hours per month mate. That's WORK: you know, the time that isn't consumed by sleeping, eating, a bit of telly and some 'hunt the banana'. Trust me, 150 hours on a video game would be fine for everyone (that wasn't RMTing).
One thinks it is you that does not understand the point you were trying to make. I play about 30 hours a month these days & still wouldn't pick the 150 hour option, because losing training time & market orders wouldn't compliment my play style. And yes, you did bring it across as a choice that the user picks, so back-tracking doesn't bring you any credibility at this point.
Your idea, if serious, is a terrible idea. No one would use it & it would lower CCP potential income per month which is never a good choice from a business standpoint.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
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