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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.03.17 00:51:00 -
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I'm using EFT to look into active shield tanked AB-using ships, cruiser- or frigate-sized. The main goal is to keep them fast and avoid signature radius bloat.
The only rig I have experience using, that does not cause sig bloat, is CCC. It helps a lot, but strikes me as a bit superflous when I'm fitting my ship with a Capacitor Booster module.
Am I on to something? Or should I go ahead and fit CCC in rig slots, to augment the cap cooster?
What are the alternatives? Extender and Purger rigs bloat sig. So do shield resistance rigs.
What do rigs do that is cool? I know there are rigs that improve damage against smaller targets. Perhaps if I fit a Caracal or Cerberus with such rigs, and HML, I can be useful both against small and medium sized targets? Does that make sense?
Are there rig that help my shield tank, but which do not cause sig bloat?
Also, even with an active tank, if I can spare a MID slot, should I fit a single shield extender? I've experimented a little in EFT and it seems to be a bad idea, compared to a Shield Boost Amplifier, or fitting a hardener to improve my worst resist. But I'm very new to active tanking, and don't quite have the instinctive feel for it yet.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.17 01:01:00 -
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If you have enough EHP to buffer in shields the alpha you're expecting to receive, then don't bother with the extender, leave an SBA or invuln or whatnot there.
For rigs, you might check out SMCs - they're not as much cap regen as CCCs but they'll give you more room for your boosters to fill up. You could also check out missile rigs like rigors/flares for hitting frigates.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.03.17 01:17:00 -
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question: pve or pvp?
imo ccc's just don't do much to help most ships these days. pve or pvp, only place I really use them is on a pve paladin. if you are going for an epic tank pve tengu might make sense to use CCCs.
extenders/purgers in general don't belong on an active tank
Rigors/flares to make your missiles better against smaller targets can be a good option, especially in pve. I don't really know what the effect of rigors/flares is in pvp.
all shield rigs have the sig radius drawback, although that doesn't necessarily mean they are bloating you. the cap safeguard is one of the better active tanking rigs imo.
resist rigs are something I wouldn't use unless trying to make an as cheap as possible fit, or if you just have a gaping hole and only a little calibration left over.
and if you want to focus on active tanking it probably is better for the boost amp or another hardener, having a bit of buffer isn't the worst idea but most of the time you want to focus on one thing.
a good option could be going with speed increasing rigs
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.03.17 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane For rigs, you might check out SMCs - they're not as much cap regen as CCCs but they'll give you more room for your boosters to fill up. You could also check out missile rigs like rigors/flares for hitting frigates.
Sorry, what is SMC?
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.03.17 09:34:00 -
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If I want to fly a Cerberus against Incursions, and want to do well against both frigate-sized rats and larger rats, using Heavy Missile Launchers, should I fit 2 Rigor rigs, or 2 Flare rigs, or one of each?
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.17 10:33:00 -
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I thought Incursions mean you needed all the resists and buffer (and speed/sig tank) you could get to help the fleet RR keep you alive... could be wrong. |
GyokZoli
Caldari Sanctum of Citizens
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Posted - 2011.03.17 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad If I want to fly a Cerberus against Incursions, and want to do well against both frigate-sized rats and larger rats, using Heavy Missile Launchers, should I fit 2 Rigor rigs, or 2 Flare rigs, or one of each?
2 rigors, preferably T2.
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.03.17 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize I thought Incursions mean you needed all the resists and buffer (and speed/sig tank) you could get to help the fleet RR keep you alive... could be wrong.
Maybe it does. But perhaps avoiding signature radius bloat is a good thing, even against Incursions.
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.03.17 22:02:00 -
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If I want more speed, e.g, on an AB-using Cerberus, what rigs should I use? I like the penalty type on Astronautics rigs (I don't need armour), but of the rigs available in that category, only "Auxiliary Thrusters" looks attractive.
Or is agility useful in PVE? Polycarbons are the only alternative that might be attractive, but I'm not sure. I think I'd rather have a better speed tank.
Most of the capacitor I use goes to the Shield Booster, so making the AB more efficient seems unattractive. Am I mistaken here? And I don't much like the rigs that makes my Shield Booster more efficient, because they bloat my sig.
"Ancillary Current Router" gives more Power Grid, which might be nice, but my EFT fits tend to run out of CPU more often (and I already have the +3% implant), and there doesn't seem to be a rig that boosts my CPU, so am I stuck with Co-Processor modules in LOW slots?
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2011.03.17 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Misanthra on 17/03/2011 22:58:12 Bit pricey but a cerb setup I ran and liked was a gist B small sb (gist b's became fotm and ergo price shot up a little...got mine when cheaper) with just 1 CCC. Enough power for boosts. other rig was a rigor. gist gear's claim to fame is smaller activation energy needs...mkaes many fits cap stable or damn near close to it not needing to fit too many power mods/rigs. Also better boosts than t2...2 for the price of one.
Gist B small a wise investment imo. Works well in tengu as well (might need 2...still much cheaper than ds mediums). Feel the itch for frigate pve...they make damn near any frigate setup cap stable perma boost and well tanked for pve. Dont get blown up...months to years of use its so versatile. Rich enough to put on af's for pvp...will also have some people going wtf is he running since you will be much harder to kill.
Cerb will speed tank for the most part. Or use its looooong range on hml. Range bonus, missions that start at 100kms, your only limitation is how far you can target. Kill webs/scrams/jams from far away and have speed tanky jam free day. Never did ham's...can't comment on how to make em work well.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.03.17 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad If I want more speed, e.g, on an AB-using Cerberus, what rigs should I use? I like the penalty type on Astronautics rigs (I don't need armour), but of the rigs available in that category, only "Auxiliary Thrusters" looks attractive.
Or is agility useful in PVE? Polycarbons are the only alternative that might be attractive, but I'm not sure. I think I'd rather have a better speed tank.
Agility can be useful as it allows a much tighter orbit and/or higher speed at a tighter orbit. But on a Cerb -- not so much. When you're already sitting out 100 km you don't really need agility except in order to align more quickly if **** hits the fan.
Originally by: Salpad Most of the capacitor I use goes to the Shield Booster, so making the AB more efficient seems unattractive. Am I mistaken here? And I don't much like the rigs that makes my Shield Booster more efficient, because they bloat my sig.
If you're hurting for cap, then, you're only looking at CCCs for sustained cap and SMCs for burst cap.
Originally by: Salpad "Ancillary Current Router" gives more Power Grid, which might be nice, but my EFT fits tend to run out of CPU more often (and I already have the +3% implant), and there doesn't seem to be a rig that boosts my CPU, so am I stuck with Co-Processor modules in LOW slots?
There are actually rigs that reduce CPU usage for various modules (Liquid Cooled Electronics, Algids for lasers and hybrids), but none increase your total CPU. And none of them apply to missiles or shields, so meh for what you're trying to do.
Strongly consider BLA IIs, rigors, and flares. They're probably the best bet for your money.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.03.18 01:55:00 -
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~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.03.18 02:00:00 -
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~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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