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Tiberius StarGazer
COPIERGLOBALHYPERMEGANET
5
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Posted - 2012.08.27 23:02:00 -
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Gotta love the complexity of this game. A buddy & I set up a small corp to mine and trade ore, and, to begin with it worked quite well.
I'd set up a buy order in our home station with the values of the Ores at about 80% of the value at what I know I could sell them for at the locat trade hub, OR one ISK cent higher than the highest local offer, whichever was the lowest. We would buy our Ores at the station and our characters would be paid for their time mining, about 4% was then spent on shipping it to the trade hub, and then sold with probably about 15% profit for the corp after fees +/- any movements in prices.
The great thing was that often our buy orders were met within 24 hours by us and other miners. With a day for shipping and 24 hours to sell it all, so a total stock to cash to stock turnaround of 3/4 days. All cash was reinvested into the next buy order.
No refining yet as neither of us have enough stills trained to make it more profitable than just selling the ore.
Both our mining skills are now pretty good, but I also started training trade and industry skills, with a view of cutting costs and eventually refine ore.
But now I have trade skills which allow me to place remote buy orders over a 5 system range, and this has resulted in an interesting situation.
Turnover is up massively from 20-30m ISK per order/mining/delivery/sell cycle to 100m ISK and for every cycle this amount increases from anything between 10-20%. Orders are met so fast, it's actually meant I am now acting as collection and transport. It has taken me all day today to transport delivered Ores back to HQ to make ready to ship to the hub. This is not paying our charecters any money.
Also the company does not have the cash to buy and both of us are a very long way off from being able to fly a freighter and the lack of ability to move larger scale shipments is causing the order/mine/delivery/sell cycle to get longer and slowing growth.
So, my question is, until the corp is able to ship large scale goods itself, how can I quickly ensure that goods are delivered faster to HQ for shipping without eating too much into the profit margin and/or, ensure that all members of the corp involved in transportation are paid fairly for doing so?
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2525
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Posted - 2012.08.27 23:04:00 -
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There are a couple of corps that do hauling only and are not scams... Probably not easy to find unless you talk to someone already using one.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1952
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Posted - 2012.08.27 23:05:00 -
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Cargohold expanders? Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |
Tiberius StarGazer
COPIERGLOBALHYPERMEGANET
5
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Posted - 2012.08.27 23:10:00 -
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James 315 wrote:There are a couple of corps that do hauling only and are not scams... Probably not easy to find unless you talk to someone already using one.
Use a few good contacts to ship from HQ to Trade Hub already. But those are now 800km3 shipments so cost about 4% of shipments value. But don't use shipments fom other stations to HQ, many are small amounts and not cost effective to hire people to do the job.
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Cargohold expanders?
Yep, Badger II's fully maxed with 27.5% expanders, but carry only 12km3. Full stock is 800km3 |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1735
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Posted - 2012.08.27 23:21:00 -
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I don't know where you are located but you might consider courier contracts.
If you are near a trade hub they will get picked up pretty quick for a reasonable rate and be delivered (or default) within 24 hrs. I used to freighter everything myself but it worked out to be actually cheaper to put up contracts.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Caerfinon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.08.27 23:41:00 -
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Make courier contracts for Redfrog like rates
860,000 m3 maximum size 1,000,000 ISK per pickup 450,000 ISK per jump
Equals 1.16 ISK per m3 for pick up and .52 ISK per m3 per jump.
Base your courier contracts on those rates with reasonable sized loads and lots of haulers are around to move them for you.
Give the contract a week or two to be picked up. It can be slow at times but I find it get's moved.
Under 20,000m3 then new pilots with industrials will haul for you, Over 300,000m3 and freighter pilots will pick up your stuff if they have free space.
Make your collateral worth the value of your goods plus a little more to cover any loss and you are in business. To high collateral and no one will touch it.
If you want faster and more reliable deliveries, then use Redfrog directly or a similar service.
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Jonah Gravenstein
775
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Posted - 2012.08.27 23:44:00 -
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Push Industries will do the same as Red Frog. Letting someone else haul is always worthwhile. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1952
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Posted - 2012.08.27 23:49:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:
Yep, Badger II's fully maxed with 27.5% expanders, but carry only 12km3. Full stock is 800km3
Afraid the only way to haul that 1 jump is in a freighter Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |
Archdaimon
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
88
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Posted - 2012.08.28 00:06:00 -
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With the current price of freighters on market I'd use Red Frog for all but the most sensitive logistic assignments.
Minerals and ores are not sensitive.
(I still don't get how Red Frog can keep so retardedly low prices for their service.) |
Aricaan
Cobra Corp
19
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Posted - 2012.08.28 00:25:00 -
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Archdaimon wrote:With the current price of freighters on market I'd use Red Frog for all but the most sensitive logistic assignments.
Minerals and ores are not sensitive.
(I still don't get how Red Frog can keep so retardedly low prices for their service.)
Volume.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
584
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Posted - 2012.08.28 00:32:00 -
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Archdaimon wrote:With the current price of freighters on market I'd use Red Frog for all but the most sensitive logistic assignments.
Minerals and ores are not sensitive.
(I still don't get how Red Frog can keep so retardedly low prices for their service.)
Watching TV while hauling. Even ATK, that's minimal attention. Just listen for the jumpgate sound, select the next gate and hit jump.
Something goes wrong, well, there's not a great deal you can do but hope they flub the gank.
And a whole bunch of freighter pilots. People that carry stuff while they'd have been deadheading somewhere. And so on. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
609
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Posted - 2012.08.28 04:30:00 -
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Delegate? |
Tiberius StarGazer
COPIERGLOBALHYPERMEGANET
5
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Posted - 2012.08.29 16:41:00 -
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Caerfinon wrote:Make courier contracts for Redfrog like rates
860,000 m3 maximum size 1,000,000 ISK per pickup 450,000 ISK per jump
Equals 1.16 ISK per m3 for pick up and .52 ISK per m3 per jump.
Unfortunately, with the current model I am running, those fees would quickly bankrupt the company!
While this current trade cycle is buying 130m ISK worth of ore, it is over 5 systems, many of the pick ups are only worth about 2m ISK in value. Some are worth more if the local miner sells a large amount, but the majority is a bit here, and a bit there.
I tried to issues some contracts to move ores from many locations, but none were picked up, and many were small amounts.
So for now, at least until I am buying and selling in much larger volumes to make contracting privateers as possible, it looks like I am doing this my self.
Still, gives me an excuse to crack on with dust while my ship is autopiloting. |
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
246
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Posted - 2012.08.29 17:30:00 -
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A freighter isn't actually that long to train for. It actually takes less time to get into a freighter than it does an Orca.
What you really need to blitz right now is a perfect refine. Get those social skills going and get a 6.67+ relation with your chosen NPC corp while training up your refining skills.
Until then, yes, use courier contracts. In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse. |
Dog Biscuit
Chitlins
7
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Posted - 2012.08.29 17:31:00 -
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ISD |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1104
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Posted - 2012.08.29 18:28:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:... No refining yet as neither of us have enough stills trained to make it more profitable than just selling the ore. ...
Train refining FFS.
Minerals are smaller than ore.
The solution you're looking for is the one you're pointedly ignoring.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1982
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Posted - 2012.08.29 19:09:00 -
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The mining corp business model:
1. Mine
Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |
Pipa Porto
846
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Posted - 2012.08.30 10:53:00 -
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If you don't have the means to haul that much, you might want to consider limiting your buy orders to just the station you plan to ship from.
Or, if you have the capital, let the stock in the outlying systems pile up (though, with mineral prices dropping...) until it's economical to haul them. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
149
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:01:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:Still, gives me an excuse to crack on with dust while my ship is autopiloting. Continue doing this. Make sure your buddy does this as well. |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
518
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:06:00 -
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How about you grow larger.
What i mean is get more members, pay them a portion of the profit they haul. This way you will always have people that can transport ore to the closest hub. simple but effective.
I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
610
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:23:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote: pay them a portion of the profit they haul.
Nah he's a high sec miner. What profit? |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
518
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Posted - 2012.08.30 11:45:00 -
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^^ Fair enough lol... I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Tiberius StarGazer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:51:00 -
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Well the corp I was in has broken up anyway as my buddy left.
Shame really because the model was working, miners in the local systems got paid for their ores and I made the profit from shipping them and while waiting for orders to be met made money myself from shipping, which usually meant I made 125% on everything I sold, the longer it was going on the more I made.
Still the corp has been wound up and now have 600m ISK to set up somewhere else.
Now working towards the Superior Harvesting Certificate which includes common and advanced ore processing and refining efficiency.
Have a very good standing with my new corp already, so gonna carry on working on that with missions and things while my refining skills are being trained. Just need to find a station with a decent yield. |
Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2012.09.01 23:00:00 -
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Why is it the title of this thread had me smirking and grinning inside with little throat laughs.
edit: that'd be the silent ones, where you want to laugh, feel the laugh, but keep it inside anyway. I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |
Pipa Porto
854
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Posted - 2012.09.02 18:55:00 -
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Tiberius StarGazer wrote:Well the corp I was in has broken up anyway as my buddy left.
What's to stop you from keeping the business model up solo? Just buy from the same markets you were buying from before. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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