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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2011.03.20 18:59:00 -
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I know this has been a feature for a while but WTF! I spend all my time, my isk to train for supers and titans, then find i need another decent char to play the game normally if i want to fly a super/titan! Otherwise its visible in a pos for all to see and shoot!
So your forcing me to have 2 accounts or but another one!! so i can pvp whilst my other char is stuck in a ship in a pos! are you for real?
Jeez! what a **** take...let supers/titans dock! and if ppl post no then better give a damn good reason why not! cos this is *******s
rant over.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.03.20 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: CommmanderInChief I know this has been a feature for a while but WTF! I spend all my time, my isk to train for supers and titans, then find i need another decent char to play the game normally if i want to fly a super/titan! Otherwise its visible in a pos for all to see and shoot!
So your forcing me to have 2 accounts or but another one!! so i can pvp whilst my other char is stuck in a ship in a pos! are you for real?
Jeez! what a **** take...let supers/titans dock! and if ppl post no then better give a damn good reason why not! cos this is *******s
rant over.
Oh noes, supercaps are inconvenient. We should make them like normal ships so there are more of them.
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Lord Zim
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.20 19:24:00 -
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Death to supercaps.
Death. To. Them.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.03.20 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: CommmanderInChief
So your forcing me to have 2 accounts or but another one!! so i can pvp whilst my other char is stuck in a ship in a pos! are you for real?
Jeez! what a **** take...let supers/titans dock! and if ppl post no then better give a damn good reason why not! cos this is *******s
In all fairness... the idea behind supercapitals (and capitals in general) is that they are NOT SUPPOSED to be solo ships and require logistical help from others to do things and/or get around, thus promoting teamwork. People get around this by making a second account so they don't HAVE to rely on teamwork to do stuff.
Moreover, supercapitals were never meant to be "cost-effective" or "easy to use." Want ewar immunity and shiny firepower options? Pay through the nose and live with the idea that your ship will always be at risk (i.e. you can't dock) as those really the ONLY limiting factors such ships have. _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.20 19:53:00 -
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The whole point to being "stuck" in a supercap/titan is to deter players from using them. If you could dock a titan everybody and there mother would have one and the game would be flooded with them. So no...no docking for supercaps. NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND! |
Draco Llasa
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.20 21:39:00 -
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They are not supposed to be a easy.. they should be a pain in the arse.. They should NOT be able to dock in any station.
You don't need a second PVP pilot, you need a holding toon, a secondary account/alt that has the skills to sit in it and log off in so you can use your main toon for other pvp.. or yea get another pvp toon works too.
Now one thing i'm not opposed to is an upgrade to a sov held system that would allow supers (maybe just supercarriers) to dock in player owned stations. Def not low sec/NPC stations. Even this idea would have to be thought through to make sure it doesn't make them too convenient
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Voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2011.03.20 22:44:00 -
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I'm sorry to hear that you don't have any friends and have to play with yourself.
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Cthulhu F'taghn
SniggWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.03.21 00:00:00 -
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I'm not sure but couldn't you eject at a safe private pos and then board with an alt on the same account? Then try to safely get to a station to jump clone out of your slaves.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Voogru I'm sorry to hear that you don't have any friends and have to play with yourself.
This TBH
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.03.21 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi If you could dock a titan everybody and there mother would have one and the game would be flooded with them. So no...no docking for supercaps.
I'm not against the idea they can dock since:
Docking time is really really slow -15min or+ to avoid station games Station fees for docking are very very expensive and daily- you don't pay, account stoped, not enough isk? - ship's kiked out of station and everyone can take or shoot it
Just some ideas but wy shouldn't they be able to dock?-they should but with Titanic drawbacks.
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Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2011.03.21 07:47:00 -
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What made you think you need a second account?
Just make a new character on your account, train to fly the hull and nothing else on it, and just do a safespot login alt - eject - login main - board dance.
A little dangerous for sure, someone could steal it if they scan out your safe quickly enough, though you're not going to be doing this anywhere but in a secure system held by your alliance so it's not that much of an issue.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.03.21 08:21:00 -
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Hell, you don't even have to train to fly the hull -- you can buy a character off the bazaar. God knows the price is reasonable for anyone that actually intends to fly the ships the way they were intended.
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Nyalnara
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Swynet Just some ideas but wy shouldn't they be able to dock?-they should but with Titanic drawbacks.
Maybe because they are already larger than the station? Unless someone does manage to find a new technologies allowing us to create storage bubbles overlapping on multiple dimensions, we won't be able to put them in a docking hangar
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: CommmanderInChief on 21/03/2011 11:45:34
Originally by: SupaKudoRio Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 21/03/2011 08:20:55 What made you think you need a second account?
Just make a new character on your account, train to fly the hull and nothing else on it (e: on second thoughts, train to use the basic cloaking device too, you might need to use it at some point), and just do a safespot login alt - eject - login main - board dance.
A little dangerous for sure, someone could steal it if they scan out your safe quickly enough, though you're not going to be doing this anywhere but in a secure system held by your alliance so it's not that much of an issue.
Hang on, firstly WHY should i HAVE TO train another character? Why? Where in the game does it state, if you want to fly a super then you MUST have 2 chars or accounts. And ideally yes you would have 2 accounts.
You say i need to just train the hull thats is still CONSIDERABLE training time
Guys with respect your trolling not one of you have given me and answer or reason for this?
Also what has friends got todo with anything, it makes no difference lol to this situation. Is CCP going to give me back all my wasted SPs now? Because thats what it is. I should not have to train another char, i dont want to.
Yes i dont literally have to, fair enough, and CCP can dispute that technically you only need one. But then my super is exposed to the world in a pos, which in essence means the games mechanic pretty much make me have another char or in this day and age im 100% going to lose my ship.
Your making the rules up from your own heads. There is nothing in official literature thats says i must be in an allaince or anywhere, I may want to be solo and live in low sec with a super.
Also come on, with the amount of titans and supers about you really think being with friends is going to stop PL, Russains, NC removing it. I should have to be in a large alliance to own a super.
but anyway, I really dont understand your logic on saying no, about allowing supers/titans to dock? you have not given me any real or decent argument against this, even if that means upgrading the station component to allow it. Obv in low sec this would be available in all stations.
If you dont support this, then i am more than happy to listen to it, god knows why anyone would not support it, even 0.0 guys. but hey i have trouble understanding the intelligence level some ppl have in eve.
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: SupaKudoRio Edited by: SupaKudoRio on 21/03/2011 08:20:55 What made you think you need a second account?
Just make a new character on your account, train to fly the hull and nothing else on it (e: on second thoughts, train to use the basic cloaking device too, you might need to use it at some point), and just do a safespot login alt - eject - login main - board dance.
A little dangerous for sure, someone could steal it if they scan out your safe quickly enough, though you're not going to be doing this anywhere but in a secure system held by your alliance so it's not that much of an issue.
The point is mate why should i have to train another account, I understand the game mechanics, thats fine, what if people dont want to be in a large alliance. The game is becoming so unbalanced now its silly. So what we saying is you have to have a second account/char, and be in a big alliance to have a super, i must of missed that when i signed up for eve, otherwise i would never have trained for it.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:32:00 -
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You don't HAVE TO train another character. For that matter you don't HAVE TO even get into a supercap. There are methods to playing in other ships while you have a supercap...they have been explained to you already in this thread. You don't like those options? Don't get in a supercap. Pretty simple. NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND! |
Sinikka Huiputti
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Posted - 2011.03.21 14:08:00 -
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It is ******ed that so many things need multiple accounts, but hey this game is built on exploits and metagaming. /shrug
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.21 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 21/03/2011 18:24:01 If you can afford an SC, you can afford one PLEX a month for an alt holder character.
Besides, two other slots on that same alt account can make enough ISK for a PLEX without much effort or playing actively (datacores, PI, invention, production, station trading, scamming,...) so basically, you get it for free.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.21 21:02:00 -
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Edited by: Horizonist on 21/03/2011 21:07:24
Originally by: CommmanderInChief I know this has been a feature for a while but WTF! I spend all my time, my isk to train for supers and titans, then find i need another decent char...
So you knew this was a fact, and still you invested everything you had for them, only to get angry about it when you reached the finish line? I am sorry, no disrespect, but you have only yourself to blame then really.
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Touring Eve
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Posted - 2011.03.21 21:06:00 -
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You can afford a supebut not another account or character?
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EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2011.03.21 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Touring Eve You can afford a supebut not another account or character?
Sorry, meant to post with my main. CCRES is recruiting pilots who want to live in WSpace/Wormholes. Fill out an application here! |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.03.21 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: CommmanderInChief
but anyway, I really dont understand your logic on saying no, about allowing supers/titans to dock? you have not given me any real or decent argument against this...
Really now?
Originally by: ShahFluffers the idea behind supercapitals (and capitals in general) is that they are NOT SUPPOSED to be solo ships and require logistical help from others to do things and/or get around, thus promoting teamwork.
There's your argument.
Like others have said, there is nothing that PREVENTS you from climbing into such a ship and there is nothing that says you HAVE to get such a ship or that you MUST get a "holder alt."
However, all ships have limitations. The inability to dock and/or go from system to system by itself are just 2 such limits. It's these limits that prevent wholesale proliferation of said ships and something that maintains balance within the game as a whole. If such "limits" were not in place then everyone and their mother would be scrambling to get one and the bar would be raised for being a competitive force.
So harden up and realize that there are simply SOME things that you will be unable to do alone. _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Draco Llasa
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.21 22:47:00 -
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as stated you dont HAVE to be in an alliance or have a second toon.. you dont HAVE to.. setup your own tower in your own corp and leave it in the bubble.
Just cause you THINK you should be able to do something doesn't mean you should
i SHOULD be able to DD in low sec, i SHOULD be able to use a DIC/HIC bubble in empire. i SHOULD be able to bomb or smart bomb 4-4.. Should i demand to get all the skills back after spending 2 months training for a Onyx only to find out i cant bubble up in rancer?
Show me one piece of "official documentation" that tells you anything about half of this stuff. Eve is notorious for being undocumented.. so your arguments are all invalid.
The POINT is, as many have stated.. the reason you cant is that its a deterrent to make them hard to manage, hard to support, and hard to deal with. That IS the point and the reason.. If you dont accept that, thats on you..
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Rented
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Posted - 2011.03.21 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Rented on 21/03/2011 23:06:40 I propose supercapitals should be able to use jumpgates and dock just like any other normal ship, this allows them to be the only ships in the game worth having which is obviously the way it should be.
I'd /sarcasm here... but if you managed to miss it I fail to care.
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SupaKudoRio
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Posted - 2011.03.22 01:36:00 -
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I gave you a solution that would be slightly inconvenient but allow you to use your titan as if you can dock it (in a sense - while your alt is flying it and logged off it's untouchable). I'd suggest you make use of that, as the game isn't going to change just because you demand it. Hell, who are you to demand such a thing?
By all means, keep whining, but don't expect CCP to bend over and change the game just because you asked. Titan's can't dock for very good reasons - for one, off the top of my head, they are/can use freaking superweapons. Are you saying there should be no drawback to that at all?
I'd rather be questioning the intelligence of people who do support dockable titans than those who realize that, really, it isn't that much of a drawback to begin with and that titan pilots are lucky it's so easy to work around.
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.03.22 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: Voogru I'm sorry to hear that you don't have any friends and have to play with yourself.
This TBH
i have no sympathy for supercapital pilots. at all. none.
when supercapital pilots complain, i feel like i'm looking at some celebrity brat throwing a temper tantrum because her rat dog is not the right shade of pink.
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Treya Amoncarde
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Posted - 2011.04.16 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jaik7
Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Originally by: Voogru I'm sorry to hear that you don't have any friends and have to play with yourself.
This TBH
i have no sympathy for supercapital pilots. at all. none.
when supercapital pilots complain, i feel like i'm looking at some celebrity brat throwing a temper tantrum because her rat dog is not the right shade of pink.
^^ This.
If you train to use a SC, then get there and find out how hard it is to keep it safe, you obviously are too ignorant to play this game. I am training to be a SC pilot but not to use it for logistics or even to keep it safe. I just want to fly it around and show it off until I get all blown to smitherines. But if you spend the 109 days to train to use a Titan, and actually raise the 70+ billion ISK to afford it, spend the month to build it, and end up getting blown up, that's your own fault. Not CCP's. An investment of this size should be researched and decided upon many months before you actually finish training for it, not the week you finish and the day you want to go out and get one.
What I mean to say is, if there were "documentation" on this subject, it would say this, "you, my friend, are a ****ing re.ta.rd for not knowing what it means to be a SC pilot."
Loser.
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Cantrip
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Posted - 2011.04.16 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Draco Llasa ...i SHOULD be able to bomb or smart bomb 4-4..
I would love to be able to do that, actually... I don't care if the bomb launcher was built using station eggs, used PLEX as ammo, could only be fired once per social security number, and required flying to Iceland to verify my identity while using it. |
Amarr Priest
Amarr Legion of Darkness.
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Posted - 2011.04.17 01:06:00 -
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I think something like a Capital Docking Port would be cool that could only be place in systems of sov holding alliances, would be much like the player owned stations out in null, They should not be invulnerable though and should take some sort of upkeep that would not be cheap. Only other option is maybe have a capital docking array for posses and a way to have an individual hangar for each person so no one steals, I dunno I'm just throwing ideas out there.
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Klunker Klash
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Posted - 2011.04.17 07:35:00 -
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I agree that super caps shouldn't be able to dock because they're meant for large alliances.
On the other hand, we now have access to planets. Maybe in the future we'll be able to land on them - giving us a realistically large enough place to "land" and "store" a super capital sized ship. Of course, something like this should only be viable in systems which your alliance held sovereignty and payed a butt load of isk to build a "super cap landing pad".
Also, LOL.
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