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Axe Coldon
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:00:00 -
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For those of us that choose to stay in High Sec its because we are PVE players. The hulk is too easy to kill. You can insta-pop one with a Mim BS with howitzers. you insure it..and make a profit.
So I am not asking they change the hulk. but come out with a new tougher one. One that cost more but has way more defense capabilities.
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Brynhilda
Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:03:00 -
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It's called a Rokh
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Axe Coldon For those of us that choose to stay in High Sec its because we are PVE players. The hulk is too easy to kill. You can insta-pop one with a Mim BS with howitzers. you insure it..and make a profit.
So I am not asking they change the hulk. but come out with a new tougher one. One that cost more but has way more defense capabilities.
heu you can fit tank with the hulk and a very good one. If you have tank the time needed for the bs get you in armor he's already poped by concorde. Against more than one bs dunno but a single one even faction fitted I don't stop mining ________________________________________________
Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.21 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Brynhilda It's called a Rokh
I'm going with what he said. 5X the EHP of a hulk or more and you don't lose a whole lot of ore/minute. |
Guer
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Posted - 2011.03.21 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Axe Coldon For those of us that choose to stay in High Sec its because we are PVE players.
lowsec and nullsec have better PVE as well.
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2011.03.21 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: AstarothPrime on 21/03/2011 07:08:13 Hulk is easy to kill because YOU make it easy to kill.
Few tips and tricks:
1) Hulk has alot of structure points, mounting DCU II instead of cargo expansion in lows HELPS greatly 2) Dont use cargo expanders, they bring your EHP down 3) Hulk has 4 med slots - shield hardeners fit there PERFECTLY 4) Did i mention you shouldnt fit cargo expanders in lows?
Here is example fit:
[Hulk] Damage Control II Co-Processor II
Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II,Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II,Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II,Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Ganker wannabie will leave you alone after scanning because there HAS to be something easier to gank.
And last piece of advice: dont fit cargo expanders in lows, fit damage control unit.
Regards
I.
Edit:
If i forgot to mention -> dont fit cargo expanders in lows.
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2011.03.21 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Axe Coldon For those of us that choose to stay in High Sec its because we are PVE players. The hulk is too easy to kill. You can insta-pop one with a Mim BS with howitzers. you insure it..and make a profit.
So I am not asking they change the hulk. but come out with a new tougher one. One that cost more but has way more defense capabilities.
Welcome to EVE. Highsec is not an immunity landscape.. deal with it.
No.. a properly tanked hulk can not be insta-pop'd. Even if you fit a proper T2 shield tank.. your pretty damn safe from solo. And solo BS gankers take a hit isk-wise.. 30-45m worth of a lose to pop a hulk not adorned with expensive shinies. Dessie squads can break even.. not loners. Get your facts straight.
If you want a more expensive shiney ship.. your going to lose more. Cause if someone wants to pop you, they will find a way to pop you.. kiss your extra isk spent good bye.
Again..
Welcome to EVE. Deal with it or leave. ---------------------------------------- Treat the EVE markets like you are its Pimp.. it is your 'willing' employee to fondle n use n abuse as you please. |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.21 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: Brynhilda It's called a Rokh
I'm going with what he said. 5X the EHP of a hulk or more and you don't lose a whole lot of ore/minute.
Well you'll lose a lot whole lot of sanity, since the Rokh has to be emptied constantly ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Cy Bear
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Posted - 2011.03.21 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: Brynhilda It's called a Rokh
I'm going with what he said. 5X the EHP of a hulk or more and you don't lose a whole lot of ore/minute.
Well you'll lose a lot whole lot of sanity, since the Rokh has to be emptied constantly
chances are he's a macrominer anyway so nbd |
Malcanis
Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.21 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Brynhilda It's called a Rokh
If only the Marauder turret bonus applied to mining lasers...
Wait, does it?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
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Salvia Olima
The All-Seeing Eye Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:14:00 -
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Leave highsec. Seriously, it is just the tutorial of this game and an NPC-guarded marketplace. Grow up people. Play the game as soon as you can, not the tutorial again and again.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:21:00 -
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If you use meta 4 shield resist amps, you don't need the co-processor.
[Hulk, Hisec] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II
Invulnerability Field II Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Kernite Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Kernite Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Kernite Mining Crystal II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Salvia Olima Leave highsec. Seriously, it is just the tutorial of this game and an NPC-guarded marketplace. Grow up people. Play the game as soon as you can, not the tutorial again and again.
It's a strange but true fact that all the times I've lived in either low sec or null, I've never made a single isk. Why? Stuff gets blown up regularly enough to eat up any profit made during the times nothing was getting blown up (that includes joining gangs and fleet fights). That's why I prefer high sec for now. So thanks for the advice, but no thanks .
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Sigras
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Posted - 2011.03.21 21:33:00 -
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My hulk has 27,151 EHP and has a 506 DPS tank when my Orca hits it with its large shield transporter
[Hulk, EHP] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II
Small Shield Extender II Small Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x5
It gets better with my orca giving bonuses
[Orca, max EHP] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing Large Shield Transporter II
Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Shield Maintenance Bot II x5
If someone wants to try to suicide my ships sitting in a belt, I wish them good luck
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Mona X
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.03.22 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Mona X on 22/03/2011 01:06:42 [Avatar, New Setup 1] Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Aoede Mining Laser Upgrade Brynn's Modified Co-Processor
Survey Scanner II Federation Navy Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Federation Navy Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Federation Navy Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Federation Navy Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Drone Mining Augmentor II Large Drone Mining Augmentor II Large Drone Mining Augmentor I
Mining Drone II x5
Join Eve-Online, meet interesting people, grief them. |
My Postman
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Posted - 2011.03.22 11:02:00 -
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Actually, as other posters mentioned, it¦s possible to tank a Hulk. There is no guide saying there have to be MLU¦s, expanded cargoholds or cargo rigs on your hulk.
That said, a Tempest with 1400 howitzers might have 8000 volley, and he has to get me "pants down" (no defensive modules activated while i was watching tv). In this case i deserved to die. When i see him landing on grid, deactivate my lazors and turn on my active modules, i¦m sure he won¦t even try, as he won¦t be able to set off a second volley, due to concord interferance.
Tl;Dr: Hulk is just fine, no need for "nber" mining vessels.
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.03.22 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: Salvia Olima Leave highsec. Seriously, it is just the tutorial of this game and an NPC-guarded marketplace. Grow up people. Play the game as soon as you can, not the tutorial again and again.
It's a strange but true fact that all the times I've lived in either low sec or null, I've never made a single isk. Why? Stuff gets blown up regularly enough to eat up any profit made during the times nothing was getting blown up (that includes joining gangs and fleet fights). That's why I prefer high sec for now. So thanks for the advice, but no thanks .
this used to be true for me as well, isk gained was almost as much as isk lost. and then i found a wormhole corp who knew what they were doing.
i am now several hundred million in the black and richer every day i suggest that if you want to make good lowsec isk, you find a corp who knows how to keep their space secure (mobile warp bubbles on wormholes ftw!).
that said, hisec is a valid play style, and not just a "tutorial" if ccp intended it to be so, why didnt they put datacore giving agents only in lowsec? as it is, they force "mature" nullsec alliances to make trips into hisec for datacores in order to do t2 production.
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Veronica Kerrigan
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Posted - 2011.03.23 02:37:00 -
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Not on topic at all, but it would be my guess that datacore stations are in highsec for roleplay reasons, not gameplay. It just makes sense to me that a corp focused on LEGAL research and development would want CONCORD protection. Thus why the Serpentis researchers are low/null, and empire R&D isn't. Just a thought.
On the topic of a more heavily tanked mining barge, I would not be opposed to it, as long as it did sacrifice mining capacity. Maybe a 1.5 or 2% bonus to yield per level instead of 3, and no double yield bonuses like those found on the hulk.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.03.23 02:56:00 -
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tbh I wouldn't mind seeing the hulk get a slight hp boost, and maybe a bit more fitting. I'm not very sympathetic to the cargo expanded + cargo rig afk miner, but even tanked it isn't a very hard target. I kinda liked having my alt out in a belt while I'm on the forums or running a mission, but with how easy hulk ganking is I haven't gone mining in a long time. hell I mean I can have him afk level 4s instead for less risk and more reward.....
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Asperath Fernandez
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Posted - 2011.03.23 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sigras My hulk has 27,151 EHP and has a 506 DPS tank when my Orca hits it with its large shield transporter
If someone wants to try to suicide my ships sitting in a belt, I wish them good luck
You do not understand the concept of "alpha strike" do you?
Say - where do you mine?
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2011.03.23 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: Brynhilda It's called a Rokh
I'm going with what he said. 5X the EHP of a hulk or more and you don't lose a whole lot of ore/minute.
plus for added fun...if you find a belt that still has some good top grade rocks in it miners are hitting...you'll scare them away since they are expecting you to start a disco party soon lol.
Where the hell you do you people mine anyway? Months of mining on alt got 2 flippere the whole time. One turned into a fun conversation since he was amazed I didn't take the bait (t1 frigate...real easy to pop, was tempting I admit). Saw he was a 2 year old char. I really wanted to know what the come back and get me ship was if I was dumb enough to pop him in his bait frigate and give him kill rights to me. Very nice collection of ships...He was looking to kill something t3 style that day. Good choice, why half ass a free kill, I'd probably do the same all I could say back lol.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.03.23 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Asperath Fernandez
Originally by: Sigras My hulk has 27,151 EHP and has a 506 DPS tank when my Orca hits it with its large shield transporter
If someone wants to try to suicide my ships sitting in a belt, I wish them good luck
You do not understand the concept of "alpha strike" do you?
Say - where do you mine?
considering you need 2 gank ships and lucky hits, or 3 gank ships and average hits, I'd say he understands the alpha bit. and well tbh can't really do better on the ehp of a hulk.
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Fastbikkel
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2011.03.23 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: Salvia Olima Leave highsec. Seriously, it is just the tutorial of this game and an NPC-guarded marketplace. Grow up people. Play the game as soon as you can, not the tutorial again and again.
It's a strange but true fact that all the times I've lived in either low sec or null, I've never made a single isk. Why? Stuff gets blown up regularly enough to eat up any profit made during the times nothing was getting blown up (that includes joining gangs and fleet fights). That's why I prefer high sec for now. So thanks for the advice, but no thanks .
I agree, during the week i stay in highsec for missioning. Weekends its nullsec, but i make no isk at all here. Ratting is almost impossible all the time, either due to alliance rules or filled local. Nowadays people are regulated to rat in nullsec, because nullsec is simply full of people. Last 4 regions i've stayed in myself had this situation. -If the enemy is in range, so are you- |
Evanga
Amarr Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.03.23 11:03:00 -
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you will die if he wants you dead...what stops him from bringing in a 2nd alpha bs?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.23 11:19:00 -
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Quote: ...because nullsec is simply full of people.
What EvEonline do you play? .
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Echo Mande
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Posted - 2011.03.23 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Axe Coldon For those of us that choose to stay in High Sec its because we are PVE players. The hulk is too easy to kill. You can insta-pop one with a Mim BS with howitzers. you insure it..and make a profit.
So I am not asking they change the hulk. but come out with a new tougher one. One that cost more but has way more defense capabilities.
No, a tougher hulk isn't needed. In highsec it's strong enough to permatank any rats while mining solo and if some suicide ****er wants to shoot you you'll end up popped anyway despite whatever you fit. Don't mine near major hubs/pipes or during Hulkageddon and you should be safe.
In 0.0 mining is a team sport involving miners, haulers, a booster, a POS, some scouts and a few ratters. Your hulk's tank has to be strong enough to stand up to the rats until either the ratters show up or you can gtfo. You stay well away from any mercoxit that's being mined. If anyone sees any neutrals pop up it's time to head to the POS. To me it actually seems a safe way to go about it.
I've come to prefer 0.0 mining because it's less stressful and the TS is livelier. The ore's better too
PS: Yes, insurance IMO needs to get looked at with respect to turnout if you get nailed by CONCORD.
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.03.23 16:56:00 -
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I see mining as PVP vs a giant floating rock.
There's some fundimental upgrades mining needs. I once had a post on this, but it's been lost in the forums lol.
Here's what we need: An astroid that can fight back (explode) if mined incorrectaly. We do have these in a very, very limited supply in null sec in the form of Mercoxit. We need more. Plus it would be sweet if roids have veins u need to scan out to get a better yield. Imagine if Dense veldspur didn't exist, only a veldspur astroid with 'dense' veins in it. AKA better reward for being interactive (byby bots...or at least hello more mining yield to actual players)
We have dreads that can seige, carriers that can triage, freighters that can cyno jump...we need a mining barge that can go into 'siege mode' and burn its way threw astroid belts. For some added flare I suggested a barge that can 'voltron' together with others and form a super mining drill.
also, the above mentioned Avatar fitting would work wonders, and as soon as I can fly a titan i will use it exactaly for this purpose.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2011.03.23 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: Salvia Olima Leave highsec. Seriously, it is just the tutorial of this game and an NPC-guarded marketplace. Grow up people. Play the game as soon as you can, not the tutorial again and again.
It's a strange but true fact that all the times I've lived in either low sec or null, I've never made a single isk. Why? Stuff gets blown up regularly enough to eat up any profit made during the times nothing was getting blown up (that includes joining gangs and fleet fights). That's why I prefer high sec for now. So thanks for the advice, but no thanks .
Stop sucking and do it right, you can make a lot more ISK outside of highsec.
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