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Elisabetha Novy
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Posted - 2011.03.22 17:49:00 -
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So, you want someone discredited, used and left by the side of a backwater shipping lane? Dramabombers can deliver. After cleaning our personal list of all people that have slighted us in eve we are looking ahead and beyond. We would like to offer our service to you, because we enjoy it so very much.
We will go after any target in a medium to small corp or the corp itself (maximum we are willing to go for currently at 99 members). We will discredit, accuse, dissuade and dramabomb your intended target untill they have had enough and then bomb some more and make sure you get to enjoy it all via chatlogs, sound recordings and any other means we can use to entertain you to the tune of your investment.* If pvp fails to bring you the payback you were hoping for, dramabomb them all.
Wire 100 million isk to Elisabetha Novy as well as send her an eve mail with your intended target and she will get back to you with a quote. The 100 mil isk will be subtracted from the contract total and serves as a ôas you seriousö selection method.
*We will stay within the lines determined by the EULA.
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Porto Betalt
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Posted - 2011.03.22 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Elisabetha Novy
Wire 100 million isk to Elisabetha Novy as well as send her an eve mail with your intended target and she will get back to you with a quote. The 100 mil isk will be subtracted from the contract total and serves as a ôas you seriousö selection method.
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Marchocias
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.03.22 19:08:00 -
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Why would people pay you for the priviledge of not getting to have the fun themselves?
The only reason I can think of is that you provide a level of finesse and eloquence that your clients are unable to match... but you provide no prior examples, so how can we judge? ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it). |
Ifly Uwalk
Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2011.03.22 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Porto Betalt
Originally by: Elisabetha Novy
Wire 100 million isk to Elisabetha Novy as well as send her an eve mail with your intended target and she will get back to you with a quote. The 100 mil isk will be subtracted from the contract total and serves as a ôas you seriousö selection method.
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Medarr
Amarr ZeroSec
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Posted - 2011.03.22 19:19:00 -
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inb4l
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Elisabetha Novy
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Posted - 2011.03.22 19:27:00 -
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In response Porto Betalt : Quite serious, we assure you. We have no intention of quoting our prices to people who have just lost a ship five minutes ago and take a further ten minutes to calm down enough to get back to their routine.
Marchocias : Some people may indeed consider this fun, other people consider it a lot of work. The offer is aimed at the other people, people who consider spending six months on an alt an assault on their enjoyment of EVE. People who consider those things fun have a way of generating their own fun and thus have no need of our service.
We could fabricate ôproofö, tell tales of past endeavours or publicize chat-logs and rants we collected after sifting through them with a fine tooth-comb to scratch all references to people involved, but to what end? You either understand the service offered or you do not. You either wish to use the service offered or you do not. It's not as if it's a service that becomes apparent posting killboardlinks as you are no doubt well aware.
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jimmyjam
Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2011.03.22 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Elisabetha Novy Edited by: Elisabetha Novy on 22/03/2011 18:59:21 So, you want someone discredited, used and left by the side of a backwater shipping lane? Dramabombers can deliver. After cleaning our personal list of all people that have slighted us in eve we are looking ahead and beyond. We would like to offer our service to you, because we enjoy it so very much.
We will go after any target in a medium to small corp or the corp itself (maximum we are willing to go for currently at 99 members). We will discredit, accuse, dissuade and dramabomb your intended target untill they have had enough and then bomb some more and make sure you get to enjoy it all via chatlogs, sound recordings and any other means we can use to entertain you to the tune of your investment.* If pvp fails to bring you the payback you were hoping for, dramabomb them all.
Wire 100 million isk to Elisabetha Novy as well as send her an eve mail with your intended target and she will get back to you with a quote. The 100 mil isk will be subtracted from the contract total and serves as a ôare you seriousö selection method.
*We will stay within the lines determined by the EULA.
edit: corrected spelling mistake quoted in post below, thanks for pointing that out
The part only idiots will fall for " Wire 100 million isk to Elisabetha Novy as well as send her an eve mail with your intended target and she will get back to you with a quote."Good luck on your venture
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Marchocias
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2011.03.22 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Elisabetha Novy Marchocias : Some people may indeed consider this fun, other people consider it a lot of work. The offer is aimed at the other people, people who consider spending six months on an alt an assault on their enjoyment of EVE. People who consider those things fun have a way of generating their own fun and thus have no need of our service.
We could fabricate ôproofö, tell tales of past endeavours or publicize chat-logs and rants we collected after sifting through them with a fine tooth-comb to scratch all references to people involved, but to what end? You either understand the service offered or you do not. You either wish to use the service offered or you do not. It's not as if it's a service that becomes apparent posting killboardlinks as you are no doubt well aware.
Fair enough on the first point. Not my cup of tea at all; if someones getting mocked on my dime, I generally want to be directly party to the mocking.
Regarding proof, it doesn't even need to be real. If you fabricated something well written and entertaining, it would probably be worth hiring you anyway, as whether the drama actually occurs or not, you're likely to be able to serve up reports worth reading. Plus, real or not, any prospective client probably wants to make sure that your style of drama is appropriate... for example, I wouldn't want to hire someone to deliver a top-quality roasting, only to find out they serve a bunch of whiney teenage smack talk.
I'm not saying "proof" or gtfo... I'm just trying to find out how sharp your rapier is. ---- I belong to Silent Ninja (Hopefully that should cover it). |
Velocity Prime
Misfit Toys Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2011.03.22 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Elisabetha Novy
Wire 100 million isk to Elisabetha Novy....
Good luck with this without any proof.
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Luvvin McHunt
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Posted - 2011.03.22 20:49:00 -
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Could someone pay the 100mil and list themselves as the target just to turn it around and put **** on you when you try and 'dramabomb' them? I think they are the only type of customer you are gonna get.
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Elisabetha Novy
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Posted - 2011.03.22 21:07:00 -
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Why all this mistrust? Rhetorical question, don't answer, I know EVE is riddled with scams.
If we want isk people hand those to us already. It's not about the isk, it's about the challenge of getting in someoneÆs good graces to find out where their weaknesses are and subsequently prey on those weaknesses in an amusing manner to provide the client with entertainment while dishing out revenge for whatever slight there was.
Since there seem to be an awful lot of people demanding some example, I will give you one. An easy one that took little time and little preparation:
A corp that we were asked to inconvenience presented one of us with a weak spot fairly soon (two weeks in). A player who was somewhat denser then the rest of them. The corp's ceo then spoke out about this player regarding said density. Information was passed on in real time to the player the ceo was speaking of. The resulting drama was as you would expect. The dense player felt betrayed by his own ceo and made a fuss. Corp disintegrated on the coattails of this
It doesn't really matter who the target is. Everybody has people they regard as friendly in game. Eroding these in game relations is highly disruptive. Flip side is that disrupting those in game relations takes time to do properly. We offer a way to outsource this task as well as experts well versed in this.
And maybe we are overestimating the marketplace. We will see.
Would find it excellent if someone would try to reverse dramabomb. That would be highly entertaining.
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Frau Klaps
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.03.22 22:11:00 -
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Begging isn't allowed on the forums, no matter how weakly you disguise it. ---
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Elisabetha Novy
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Posted - 2011.03.22 22:18:00 -
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We offer a service. We don't beg.
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2011.03.22 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Elisabetha Novy We offer a service. We don't beg.
You are an idiot. So are the 2 people who will no doubt fall for your scam. So you're in good company.
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Mel Lifera
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.22 22:42:00 -
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I approve of this service. It is refreshingly innovative.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.03.22 23:41:00 -
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Really? 100m isk for a quote?
Be less obvious, that's like someone making a 5b collateral/1b payout delivery contract on a single exotic dancer. ---
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Magnus Witchspace
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Posted - 2011.03.23 06:01:00 -
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Tantamount to giving your lunch money to some kid to tease a bully in the playground. No thanks. I'd demand more satisfaction. And if I were the bully, I'd be laughing at you.
Is this the dumbest business idea or the dumbest scam? I can't decide.
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Hatsan Fedora
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Posted - 2011.03.23 09:54:00 -
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I think this is an excellent idea. I recommend that you perform your service on the following individual:
Vaerah Vahrokha
Once you have done so and posted all of the evidence for potential clients to preview (and those tears will be so sweet), then you're sure to pick up heaps of clients in no time.
Sincerely,
Unckie Hats
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Elisabetha Novy
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Posted - 2011.03.23 11:06:00 -
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In response
Ifly Uwalk : We might be idiots, but we don't scam. We however realise the futility of stating this.
Lost Greybeard : Yes, 100 million for a quote. Detest for window shoppers runs deep.
Magnus Witchspace : It is obvious you do not understand the service offered. Teasing is not our core business, if we do it is to distract from other things happening or to gauge response.
Hatsan Fedora : We direct you to the first post in this thread. It states the conditions under which you will receive a quote for our service.
In general
Now, seeing as there seems to be some confusion with the pvp focused crowd, we will elaborate. Mercs are a dime (or the two million wardec fee) a dozen and their services and success varies. They serve up killboards to prove their prowess on the field. But we all know that a pvp campaign has its limits and the aggressing party can be circumvented. There are even some threads detailing how to do so. Furthermore, presenting a target with a common enemy binds them together if they are not completely fail.
Where a declaration of war is an inconvenience to the receiving party a focussed dramabomb sowing seeds of dissent and mistrust is a different approach altogether. Especially if we have taken our time in building the bomb and preparing the area of detonation for maximum effect. And it doesn't have to be a single instance with one bomb going off. Multiple angles can be utilised to set of a cascade of bombs, one after the other to further the attrition aspect of it. The entertainment value is a bonus for all involved (except the mark).
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Electus Ereptor
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hatsan Fedora I think this is an excellent idea. I recommend that you perform your service on the following individual:
Vaerah Vahrokha
Once you have done so and posted all of the evidence for potential clients to preview (and those tears will be so sweet), then you're sure to pick up heaps of clients in no time.
Sincerely Unckie Hats
Will pay greatly to see VV dramabombed
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:49:00 -
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Sorry, but I don't pay to know how much I'm going to have to pay. thats just stupid consumerism.
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magic preacher
Concentrated Evil
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Posted - 2011.03.27 10:05:00 -
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well I actually think this is a pretty good idea The part it falls over at is the 100 mill for a quote
but on the brighter side i would be happy to give a quote for anything not just drama bomb just send us 100 mill and we will get right back to you
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Shapeshifting Shaman
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:33:00 -
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I am interested in your services, however I am not interested in handing over the iskies - especially since it is just for a quote. I would be interested in using a reputable 3rd party escrow service.
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Elisabetha Novy
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:13:00 -
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In response:
Electus Ereptor : First post stated the terms to receive a quote for this service.
Corina's Bodyguard : Thanks for the bump then.
magic preacher & Shapeshifting Shaman : The isk asked to quote a price is to ensure the prospective client is aware of the gravity of the inconvenience client is asking us to bestow on the mark. It is not up for negotiation or debate. This is not something to be taken lightly and the isk asked to start the quotation process needs to reflect this. The isk will always be deducted if the order is given to proceed after the quote has been approved by the client.
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Princess Bride
Caldari Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2011.03.29 06:01:00 -
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This is why your scam fails:
Originally by: Elisabetha Novy Edited by: Elisabetha Novy on 22/03/2011 18:59:21 After cleaning our personal list of all people that have slighted us in eve we are looking ahead and beyond. We would like to offer our service to you, because we enjoy it so very much.
This, and your post date, indicate that your service is very new, as in, under a week.
Quote: A corp that we were asked to inconvenience presented one of us with a weak spot fairly soon (two weeks in).
While this seems to indicate that you've been doing this a while. As did that other quote (which I am too lazy to go get) about sifting through and redacting the reams of examples you have of your service.
Inconsistency is a recipe for failure in a scam. But mainly you fail for being too greedy. Asking for a 100m deposit, with no mention of refund if you decide not to take the job, is fail. A real business, in operation for long enough to collect reams of "proof" too large to be bothered to redact, would have had more detail. Its the little practical details that sell a scam like this. While your scam, on the other hand, simply demands 100m up front with no details about how that 100m is handled, aside from deducting it from your 100m+ fee.
You need to draw your victim in and try to get a dialogue going. Feel them out for their budget and THEN hit them up for a deposit, once you've agreed to "the job". Tossing out this clunky ad for bait and hoping for a sucker dumb enough to just send you 100m without so much as a single Evemail presumes that such a fool would actually have 100m in disposable ISK to begin with.
Also, frankly, your example is unimpressive. You want 100m+ to join a corp and gossip about the dumbest one? Wow. And the customer had to wait HOW many months for that doozie?
--- ...but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!" |
Elisabetha Novy
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Posted - 2011.03.29 11:23:00 -
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Dear Princess Bride,
The public offering of our service is new, as indicated we used it mainly to keep ourselves operating in a trouble free environment by applying dramabombing (and several other tricks of the trade) to people and corporations inconveniencing us. The example was a service provided for an in game friend free of charge and resulted directly in the failcascading of the corporation in question.
If we wanted to use our ability to scam, we would go 'a corp thieving or POS hunting.*
People without the disposable income need not apply. Window-shoppers need not apply. The 100 million isk guarantees us that. Also, it serves as a way for the client to be assured we will not turn around and offer him up to his greatest enemy even though he chooses not to use our service since he has paid us for our time.
*We reserve the right to do all this anyway when conducive to the dramabombing. It is, however, never a part of the service the client will be quoted for nor will it be subject to a renegotiating of said quote (quote once given is final).
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Princess Bride
Caldari Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2011.03.29 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Elisabetha Novy The example was a service provided for an in game friend free of charge and resulted directly in the failcascading of the corporation in question.
So you had one success, that you weren't paid for, and decided the service was worth 100m up front to people who have never heard of you.
Quote: People without the disposable income need not apply. Window-shoppers need not apply. The 100 million isk guarantees us that.
Yes, you keep saying that. You're trying to be exclusive, I get it. The point I think you're missing is that you're an unknown. With no proof, and a "cool story" about a job you weren't paid for, and a quote fee no one is going to pay, you'll stay unknown.
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Also, it serves as a way for the client to be assured we will not turn around and offer him up to his greatest enemy even though he chooses not to use our service since he has paid us for our time.
Mkay... So in this scenario, you get paid 100m, to do nothing, to "guarantee" you don't "run tell?"
Either this is a scam or your comprehension of how business is done is skewed beyond recognition. --- ...but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!" |
Princess Bride
Caldari Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2011.03.29 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Princess Bride on 29/03/2011 17:14:43
Originally by: Elisabetha Novy
We could fabricate ôproofö, tell tales of past endeavours or publicize chat-logs and rants we collected after sifting through them with a fine tooth-comb to scratch all references to people involved, but to what end?
To what end? To end the speculation about whether you're full of crap or not. If you are too lazy to provide proof, to get a ridiculous down payment, what does that say about what a customer can expect once you have their money?
People are very capable of "getting" what you're offering. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not you can and will DELIVER what you're offering. See the difference? Everyone else does.
PS - You now owe me 100 million ISK for business consulting.
--- ...but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!" |
Elisabetha Novy
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Posted - 2011.03.29 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Bride So you had one success, that you weren't paid for, and decided the service was worth 100m up front to people who have never heard of you.
We disclosed one event in a manner that does not reveal the involved parties. You desire a specific example? You can always hire us and specify yourself as target. We would find that highly enjoyable.
Originally by: Princess Bride Yes, you keep saying that. You're trying to be exclusive, I get it. The point I think you're missing is that you're an unknown. With no proof, and a "cool story" about a job you weren't paid for, and a quote fee no one is going to pay, you'll stay unknown.
We would be pretty lousy if we were known. You can't exactly blind-side a target if you come in waving pompoms and have a brass band punctuating your entry.
Originally by: Princess Bride Mkay... So in this scenario, you get paid 100m, to do nothing, to "guarantee" you don't "run tell?" Either this is a scam or your comprehension of how business is done is skewed beyond recognition.
To avoid temptation, to be exact. You might have morals and scruples. A client pays us for having none. You are too fixated on scams and your idea of ôacceptable business modelsö to look beyond that. We are fine with that.
Originally by: Princess Bride To what end? To end the speculation about whether you're full of crap or not. If you are too lazy to provide proof, to get a ridiculous down payment, what does that say about what a customer can expect once you have their money? People are very capable of "getting" what you're offering. That's not the issue. The issue is whether or not you can and will DELIVER what you're offering. See the difference? Everyone else does. PS - You now owe me 100 million ISK for business consulting.
A customer can expect a result he can dictate and subsequently measure. We aren't too lazy to provide proof, we just decided against it. Proof in such a public arena as the forum would either be needlessly hurtful after the goal has been achieved or point out the thus far successful deceit. You don't tell the marionette he has been attached to strings, he would go looking for a pair of scissors.
We offer ourselves, but we aren't cheap. You want cheap, you can go to any trade-hub and get yourself some cheap disease ridden walking in stations while ship spinning service provider. But if you want to dance with us, the dance starts only after we have felt the isk slip into our panties.
PS û About that consultancy, we aren't happy with ramshackle job you did and thus will not be paying. In fact, expect a gross negligence claim once our accounting department has assessed the damage to future income by your slanderous accusations and wild assumptions. In preparation it would be much appreciated if you started working on an accurate inventory of your possessions.
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Princess Bride
Caldari Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2011.03.29 23:51:00 -
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Quote: In fact, expect a gross negligence claim once our accounting department has assessed the damage to future income by your slanderous accusations and wild assumptions. In preparation it would be much appreciated if you started working on an accurate inventory of your possessions.
Yes, blame me for this utter failure on your part. I happily forfeit 75% of your future earnings on this steaming turd of an attempt at a scam/business. As 75% of nothing is nothing, you have already been paid in full.
--- ...but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!" |
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