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Atima
Minmatar House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.03.28 12:55:00 -
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Thats pretty awesome bro. For the rest of us without super human memory that can remember the 1000's of minerals needed to build everything in game, theres always spreadsheets.
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 13:43:00 -
[122]
Not realy productive comments last day's,.......
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.03.28 14:48:00 -
[123]
My last shekel...
1. Frankly I think you need to declare a mulligan and start over.
2. Do a bond instead as has been suggested. But if you're not going to divulge your business plan then you're going to have to pay a higher rate. If you've got collateral that will reduce the rate depending on the value of the collateral and how it is secured. Otherwise unsecured bond is in your future.
3. Frankly combining into a single corp both alliance operations *and* an investment operation isn't to my taste. Were I you I'd create a separate corp solely to issue dividends, transfer the dividend isk from FICA to the distributing corp and then do the per share distribution from there. But that really only works if you're doing a bond. Even then the issue of auditing will come up.
4. Avoid the nonsense and instead of an open public offering talk to specific people about a non-public offering. That way you can limit how far your business plan gets passed around. Isn't perfect by any means but IMO I'm really doubtful that there is any really unique or original plan that has never been tried/done before.
5. You created 1,000,000 shares in your corp to avoid having to do any math later on. That hasn't really worked out very well so far. IMO the calculations for factoring in NPV vs outstanding shares isn't that complex and you should already be using software tools that will do most of the work. In the future I'd suggest just creating the number of shares needed and then create more as needed.
Frankly I'd suggest abandoning this thread and letting it go. It has long gone past the point of having any value for you and at this point is just thrashing in the water.
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 14:54:00 -
[124]
Edited by: Roelof Kremer on 28/03/2011 14:54:27
Originally by: Zeta Zhul My last shekel...
Quote:
Epic end to this thread.
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.03.28 14:55:00 -
[125]
This guy has proven in numerous threads that he
a) is a liar
b) has poor general game knowledge and awful game market knowledge
c) is either not very bright generally or really young
d) is petulant, emotionally unstable, and extremely unprofessional
He will never get money here. End of story.
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 15:08:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Elise DarkStar This guy has proven in numerous threads that he
a) is a liar
b) has poor general game knowledge and awful game market knowledge
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c) is either not very bright generally or really young
- He is a freaking genius at feeding me cat. ( just saying )
d) is petulant, emotionally unstable, and extremely unprofessional.
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He will never get money here. End of story.
- Well he got ISK from some private investers. [ do i need to quote it again? ]
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Quazal Atreides
Gallente Rampant Lion Technologies
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Posted - 2011.03.28 15:22:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Originally by: Elise DarkStar This guy has proven in numerous threads that he
a) is a liar
He stated in original post he already sold shares and people involved this later changed to he hadn't sold anything. See this post for orignal admittance of such eve search orignal post. b) has poor general game knowledge and awful game market knowledge
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c) is either not very bright generally or really young
- He is a freaking genius at feeding me cat. ( just saying )
i wont respond to this as personal flaming isnt something i do. Thats more the posters opinion
d) is petulant, emotionally unstable, and extremely unprofessional.
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He will never get money here. End of story.
- Well he got ISK from some private investers. [ do i need to quote it again? ]
And im sure this refers to my previous response above.
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:10:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Quazal Atreides
Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Originally by: Elise DarkStar This guy has proven in numerous threads that he
a) is a liar
He stated in original post he already sold shares and people involved this later changed to he hadn't sold anything. See this post for orignal admittance of such eve search orignal post.
Like he said. it was a test. For how the trolls respond. i can for one hand respect that. Still Don't see him as a liar,....
b) has poor general game knowledge and awful game market knowledge
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c) is either not very bright generally or really young
- He is a freaking genius at feeding me cat. ( just saying )
i wont respond to this as personal flaming isnt something i do. Thats more the posters opinion
d) is petulant, emotionally unstable, and extremely unprofessional.
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He will never get money here. End of story.
- Well he got ISK from some private investers. [ do i need to quote it again? ]
And im sure this refers to my previous response above.
Not sure. I already posted that i am 1 of the X private investers. With a bigh ( HINT )
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Quazal Atreides
Gallente Rampant Lion Technologies
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:22:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Quazal Atreides on 28/03/2011 16:22:57 So im curious, by saying in his OP he admits to having sold xxx but then later on he says he was trolling and hasn't sold any .. You say this isn't lying?
Then may i ask what you class as lying? surely saying that you have done something but actually HAVE NOT done is classed as lying? Or is this from the Nick Leeson school of economics?
*edit incase you are not as old as me :)
Nick Leeson Wiki
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Treia Laguna
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:29:00 -
[130]
Posting to confirm that I am also a "private investor".
(I sent him 1 isk, that counts right??)
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.03.28 16:50:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Quazal Atreides You say this isn't lying?
You, sir, have been trolled...
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:11:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Quazal Atreides Edited by: Quazal Atreides on 28/03/2011 16:22:57 So im curious, by saying in his OP he admits to having sold xxx but then later on he says he was trolling and hasn't sold any .. You say this isn't lying?
Then may i ask what you class as lying? surely saying that you have done something but actually HAVE NOT done is classed as lying? Or is this from the Nick Leeson school of economics?
*edit incase you are not as old as me :)
Nick Leeson Wiki
OMG DUDE read!!
" Quote: Like he said. it was a test. For how the trolls respond. i can for one hand respect that. Still Don't see him as a liar,....
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I am not saying he did or didn't lie. Dhuuuu,... I just saying i don't see him as a liar. Do i need to s-p-e-l i-t o-u-t f-o-r t-h-e o-l-d p-e-o-p-l-e?
XD
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:15:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Quazal Atreides You say this isn't lying?
You, sir, have been trolled...
uhh,... I didn't say he did or did not. I just say i can respect what he did to test out the trolls.
And i don't see him as a liar.
Rolf.
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:19:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Treia Laguna Posting to confirm that I am also a "private investor".
(I sent him 1 isk, that counts right??)
uuuhh,...
a donation for his corp NAV?
not sure. XD
Malcorian ?
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Malcorian Vandsteidt
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:31:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 28/03/2011 18:33:59
Originally by: Zeta Zhul My last shekel...
1. Frankly I think you need to declare a mulligan and start over.
2. Do a bond instead as has been suggested. But if you're not going to divulge your business plan then you're going to have to pay a higher rate. If you've got collateral that will reduce the rate depending on the value of the collateral and how it is secured. Otherwise unsecured bond is in your future.
3. Frankly combining into a single corp both alliance operations *and* an investment operation isn't to my taste. Were I you I'd create a separate corp solely to issue dividends, transfer the dividend isk from FICA to the distributing corp and then do the per share distribution from there. But that really only works if you're doing a bond. Even then the issue of auditing will come up.
4. Avoid the nonsense and instead of an open public offering talk to specific people about a non-public offering. That way you can limit how far your business plan gets passed around. Isn't perfect by any means but IMO I'm really doubtful that there is any really unique or original plan that has never been tried/done before.
5. You created 1,000,000 shares in your corp to avoid having to do any math later on. That hasn't really worked out very well so far. IMO the calculations for factoring in NPV vs outstanding shares isn't that complex and you should already be using software tools that will do most of the work. In the future I'd suggest just creating the number of shares needed and then create more as needed.
Frankly I'd suggest abandoning this thread and letting it go. It has long gone past the point of having any value for you and at this point is just thrashing in the water.
That's exactly what I am considering doing. I think I moved a bit too fast starting off. What would you say a Good amount to start off is with to start building trust with the players and Community?
I will check the wallets for 1 isk. not sure when it was sent honestly but that number shouldn't be hard to find, in any case Thanks for the.. Donation? Not sure what the 1 ISK was for.
Anyone sending me investments or donations should send me a mail also so I can confirm the transaction.
Thanks
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:48:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Quazal Atreides You say this isn't lying?
You, sir, have been trolled...
uhh,... I didn't say he did or did not. I just say i can respect what he did to test out the trolls.
And i don't see him as a liar.
Rolf.
Rolling on laughing floor?
You must be dyslexic or something.. oh wait.. could it be that you and op..
Nah, couldn't be..
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:52:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Tutskii
Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Quazal Atreides You say this isn't lying?
You, sir, have been trolled...
uhh,... I didn't say he did or did not. I just say i can respect what he did to test out the trolls.
And i don't see him as a liar.
Rolf.
Rolling on laughing floor?
You must be dyslexic or something.. oh wait.. could it be that you and op..
Nah, couldn't be..
Unless you truly know what dyslexic is. please don't qoute me. just posted it rong?
XD
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Quazal Atreides
Gallente Rampant Lion Technologies
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:22:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Unless you truly know what dyslexic is. please don't qoute me. just posted it rong?
XD
OK i have suspected for some time that you could be malcorians alt, lets look at the facts
1 Malcorian says he is dyslexic - Your posts are written as a dyslexic (for eg Wrong - rong) there are a few more i could find like Any thing, not anything, this being another common mistake by a dyslexic
2 you have tried to hint that you are a investor and yet your only 6 weeks old at most, or are you another forum poster who hides behinds alts.
3 Your continued defence and on occasion the re-editing of your post, very similar to the OP
Finally yes i know about dyslexia my child 'suffers' from it, now the strange bit on average between 4-7% of the population suffer what would be the odds of 2 of them being in same alliance and have a vested interest in the same bond??
Now dont take this as accusation, but just my own observation.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:42:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Quazal Atreides 1 Malcorian says he is dyslexic
2 you have tried to hint that you are a investor
3 Your continued defence and on occasion the re-editing of your post
4 Both are indistinguishable from trolls.
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Malcorian Vandsteidt
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:48:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 28/03/2011 19:51:11 Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 28/03/2011 19:48:15 See I you all would say they were alts.
Roelof Kremmer is in my alliance and owns his own corp. His corp mates can vouch for him. And that I am not him. In addition, Dyslexia is a common thing, about 30% of people are dyslexic in some manner.
Also all of my alts are listed in the IPO, Roelof is not one of them.
all 10 of my clients could post on here and people would say it was me posting on alts. That's the reason I am not surprised they are not posting, as well as the fact that when one does you ridicule him.
Proof is in the eye of the beholder, I could show you all the proof you could ever want or need, but if you do not want to believe, you wont.
Religion is a good example of this. (No I am not Atheist, I am simply making a point by saying all evidence points to religion as a Fad. But billions of people believe there is a God or God's or some metaphysical pressence)
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:49:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Malcorian Vandsteidt Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 28/03/2011 19:48:15 See I you all would say they were alts.
Roelof Kremmer is in my alliance and owns his own corp. His corp mates can vouch for him. And that I am not him. In addition, Dyslexia is a common thing, about 30% of people are dyslexic in some manner.
Also all of my alts are listed in the IPO, Roelof is not one of them.
all 10 of my clients could post on here and people would say it was me posting on alts. That's the reason I am not surprised they are not posting, as well as the fact that when one does you ridicule him.
Proof is in the eye of the beholder, I could show you all the proof you could ever want or need, but if you do not want to believe, you wont.
Religion is a good example of this. (No I am not Atheist, I am simply making a point)
Confirming that 3 out of 9 of my good friends are dyslexic.
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:00:00 -
[142]
Edited by: Roelof Kremer on 28/03/2011 20:02:34
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Quazal Atreides 1 Malcorian says he is dyslexic
2 you have tried to hint that you are a investor
3 Your continued defence and on occasion the re-editing of your post
4 Both are indistinguishable from trolls.
Malcorian may or may not be have dyslexia.
I don't. I have a memory disorder. So i forget how to write words. Or in some time compleetly forget words. If i try. and it will take me 10 min longer for every post. it will be flawless. I just don't feel like it.
And i deffend. my investment. XD
"edit" and English is not my native tongue/language
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Atima
Minmatar House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:02:00 -
[143]
Edited by: Atima on 28/03/2011 20:04:04
Originally by: Malcorian Vandsteidt Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 28/03/2011 19:51:11 Edited by: Malcorian Vandsteidt on 28/03/2011 19:48:15 See I you all would say they were alts.
Roelof Kremmer is in my alliance and owns his own corp. His corp mates can vouch for him. And that I am not him. In addition, Dyslexia is a common thing, about 30% of people are dyslexic in some manner.
Also all of my alts are listed in the IPO, Roelof is not one of them.
all 10 of my clients could post on here and people would say it was me posting on alts. That's the reason I am not surprised they are not posting, as well as the fact that when one does you ridicule him.
Proof is in the eye of the beholder, I could show you all the proof you could ever want or need, but if you do not want to believe, you wont.
Religion is a good example of this. (No I am not Atheist, I am simply making a point by saying all evidence points to religion as a Fad. But billions of people believe there is a God or God's or some metaphysical pressence)
POSTING TO CONFIRM THIS GUY PULLS RANDOM STATISTICS OUT OF HIS ASS ALL THE TIME!!!!!!
Also, uhoh he mentioned religion on the internets.
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Atima POSTING TO CONFIRM THIS GUY PULLS RANDOM STATISTICS OUT OF HIS ASS ALL THE TIME!!!!!!
Also, uhoh he mentioned religion on the internets.
uuuh,.. how is your post going? Did you edit your op?
link
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Atima
Minmatar House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:10:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Originally by: Atima POSTING TO CONFIRM THIS GUY PULLS RANDOM STATISTICS OUT OF HIS ASS ALL THE TIME!!!!!!
Also, uhoh he mentioned religion on the internets.
uuuh,.. how is your post going? Did you edit your op?
link
REPORTED!
Off topic for this thread. Please leave the discussion of my thread to its thread only as per the rules.
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Roelof Kremer on 28/03/2011 20:20:05
Originally by: Atima
Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Originally by: Atima POSTING TO CONFIRM THIS GUY PULLS RANDOM STATISTICS OUT OF HIS ASS ALL THE TIME!!!!!!
Also, uhoh he mentioned religion on the internets.
uuuh,.. how is your post going? Did you edit your op?
link
REPORTED!
Off topic for this thread. Please leave the discussion of my thread to its thread only as per the rules.
REPORTED!
Off topic for this thread. Please leave the discussion of my report on some other thread.
XD
Just asking you friendly how your post is going. Now that you quote it. i can't edit it.
Whanted to add some usefull stuf in it.\\nvm now,....
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Roelof Kremer on 28/03/2011 20:29:24
Originally by: Roelof Kremer Edited by: Roelof Kremer on 25/03/2011 09:54:04
how is it a bad post?
hade a look at your post. link---
trying to learn a bit.
this i whanted to add. so it is still on topic.
??
nmn i just edit it ,....
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Salene Gralois
K-2
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Posted - 2011.03.30 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Salene Gralois on 30/03/2011 13:25:17
Originally by: Roelof Kremer
"edit" and English is not my native tongue/language
We know. You're Dutch. So is Malcorian. And you've both slipped up the same with using dutch words in forum-posts in the past.
It is also interesting to note that, out of all the belgians and dutch people i chat with, you and Malcorian are the only ones i've read so far who don't correct themselves after making such an error.
[Edit]Damnit. I thought i was in their other thread. Sorry to bring this pile of trash back to the frontpage [/Edit]
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Roelof Kremer
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Posted - 2011.03.30 13:39:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Salene Gralois Edited by: Salene Gralois on 30/03/2011 13:25:17
Originally by: Roelof Kremer
"edit" and English is not my native tongue/language
We know. You're Dutch. So is Malcorian. And you've both slipped up the same with using dutch words in forum-posts in the past.
It is also interesting to note that, out of all the belgians and dutch people i chat with, you and Malcorian are the only ones i've read so far who don't correct themselves after making such an error.
[Edit]Damnit. I thought i was in their other thread. Sorry to bring this pile of trash back to the frontpage [/Edit]
Didn't notice i used dutch words in the form. Some one did already notice i use Englisch words at a Dutch form.
Thanks for pointing it out to me. Dit not notice it.
Didn't notice malcorian used Dutch words.
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Salene Gralois
K-2
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Posted - 2011.03.30 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Roelof Kremer
Didn't notice i used dutch words in the form. Some one did already notice i use Englisch words at a Dutch form.
I don't care what you do on those other forums. Moot point. Try again.
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