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Jimmy Cliff
Dawning Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.24 10:33:00 -
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I haven't seen many capital ships with shield tanking around lately... are they completely inferior to armor tankers?
In what aspect are they worse? (or better!)
The thing is, I have trained my caldari BS V and want to step it up a notch.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.24 11:06:00 -
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For the regular carriers, only one them exclusively shield tanks.
Seeing that carriers are logistics ship and need to be groups to be effective, armor tanking in a lot more popular in capital gangs due to other 3 races caps that can armor tank.
Plus, on the supercap side, the EHP is much much higher with armor tanking capitals, thanks to HG slave implants. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
rumncock
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Posted - 2011.03.24 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: rumn**** on 24/03/2011 18:57:03 A couple of things but I'll start with the first rule of capitals:
DO NOT BASE YOUR CAP SHIP CHOICE BY WHICH RACE'S BS YOU HAVE TRAINED TO 5.
otherwise you risk doing a potential fail cascade with training over a year to "use" your bs5, also, guess what, the best bs'es in the game by far requires double races so it's not a waste.
With that out of the way, you can't really group them all up in a "cap" category like that so here we go:
dreads: pretty redundant nowadays and a bad reason to go into cap training, your battlefield may vary though, just saying. All dreads are buffer fits, if the armor version use implants they probably get a bit higher ehp but it doesen't really matter. damage wise the caldari is best of them at short range "hit the pos from 40km" and by FAR the worst at any other task.
carriers: are support ships to your fleet, so it depends on what type of fleet, all of them pretty viable though. they can also do wormhole stuff in which case chimera with it's good local tank is an excellent choice.
super carriers: are overpowered and what's dictating all conditions of null sec atm, their role is damage. gallente is king (wtf??) for it's damage, aeon comes second for it's ehp (more than a titan with the right fleet boosters). Since the wyvern and the minmatar one lacks both these aspects while not bringing anything of their own, people tend to buy a new char on the bazaar for 15bil instead of throwing an sub-optimal ~25bil ship into the blender just to get primaried.
titans: same deal, so expensive you rather buy a new char with optimal race instead unless you're working full time as a jump bridge. lack of shield buffer implants and worthless weapon system makes the levithan crap.
I'm just hoping you're me one year ago and that I'll wake up with an nyx tomorow. ranted on a bit but what can you do. gl hf.
ps, anyone selling any nyx chars for 5.5bil? ^^
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Sigras
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Posted - 2011.03.24 20:19:00 -
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One of the reasons armor tanking is far more popular for carriers is that you can use all of your mid slots for cap rechargers (which actually dont suck on cap ships) meaning you can stand a lot longer under neut pressure.
While shield tanking ships put forth a batter burst tank, it does you no good if your 40,000 DPS tank only lasts 2 minutes and your triage cycle lasts 5
Dreads are not terribly popular anyway, but they generally armor tank because the carriers supporting them are usually armor tankers with armor logistics.
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rumncock
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Posted - 2011.03.24 21:50:00 -
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I still don't agree with "far more popular", if your bs fleet consist of shield tanks (which seems like fotm on my part of the map any ways) then you need shield carriers. I'll agree though that cap rechargers are one of the strengths of the armor fleet.
phoenix not using cap to shoot is a nice bonus we missed earlier too I guess.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.24 23:03:00 -
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I am training for a Chimera (2d on BS 5) as my corp wanted me to, which works for me since I'm already Caldari focused, and I was the only person that wasn't already in a carrier. I think doing what your corp/alliance needs is probably the best approach to capitals.
I don't intend to go beyond dreads and carriers, so shield tanking isn't an issue (i.e. no Slave equivalent implants for shield tanking).
The thing is with carriers, other than BS 5, they all use the same weapons (fighters/drones) and logistics related skills, so cross-training isn't that big of an issue. I'm already training Minmatar for a Typhoon battleship so that I can use torpedoes and armor tank. Having both shield tank and armor tank skills with the logistics related skills, really opens the door for cross-training any carrier.
Then there are dreads. When sieged shield vs. armor tank is moot.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.03.24 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: rumn**** Edited by: rumn**** on 24/03/2011 18:57:03
DO NOT BASE YOUR CAP SHIP CHOICE BY WHICH RACE'S BS YOU HAVE TRAINED TO 5.
QFT.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2011.03.25 06:13:00 -
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Well the nullsec superblobs where only ehp matters, and where SC's rule the day anyway, were already dealt with. But it's not the only environment you can use caps in. I for one prefer it when there's less then 10ppl a side in a fight, I cannot fathom why people want to be a part of 1000man lagfests, where your individual performance is meaningless, and your survival is entirely out of your control.
So from the small gang perspective, Chimera is the most gimped carrier, as it is the only one that cannot fit 3x Capital hislots + triage + local tank. Other then that, you do get sort of comparable local tank and cap regen from all the carriers, except Archon is significantly better in both categories.
You can also shield tank all of them if you need to, Thanny is actually slightly better shield tanked then armor tanked, although runs into cpu issues if you want shield tank + shield-RR. Archon of course is the only one without range bonus to shield-RR, and shield tanking it (for pulsars) makes it pretty damn terrible, so I wouldn't do it.
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Kerowyn's
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Posted - 2011.03.25 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Qui Shon
So from the small gang perspective, Chimera is the most gimped carrier, as it is the only one that cannot fit 3x Capital hislots + triage + local tank. Other then that, you do get sort of comparable local tank and cap regen from all the carriers, except Archon is significantly better in both categories.
Yes you can, ok, you need a faction invuln and iirc faction relays but you can fit it for the purpose.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2011.03.25 10:07:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 25/03/2011 10:08:20
Originally by: Kerowyn's
Originally by: Qui Shon
So from the small gang perspective, Chimera is the most gimped carrier, as it is the only one that cannot fit 3x Capital hislots + triage + local tank. Other then that, you do get sort of comparable local tank and cap regen from all the carriers, except Archon is significantly better in both categories.
Yes you can, ok, you need a faction invuln and iirc faction relays but you can fit it for the purpose.
You're right, my bad. I meant four capital top mods + triage, like I have on my Archon or Thanny for the most part. Chimera can indeed fit 2x CST + 1x CET + Triage + Smartie, if it uses faction mods.
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Dark Pangolin
Caldari Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.03.25 13:42:00 -
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Hull tank FTW...for serious...Hull tanked Dreads for the win :)
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Sinead O'Toole
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Posted - 2011.03.25 23:59:00 -
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dropping into this thread to say the CPU on the Chimera is pants-on-head ******ed
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King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.03.26 11:21:00 -
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Of the 4 carriers, 1 is a pure armor tanker, 1 is pure shield and 2 can go either way. It should be pretty obvious which do what. In the case of the thanny/nidhoggur, their defense, RR ability and cap recharge are virtually identical between shield and armor tanks. But since virtually all subcaps are armor tanks, it makes sense to fit your carriers as armor as well. Though if you have room for a shield ganglink ship in addition to the armor link ship, shields do have significant advantages when overheated. So you can get a better peak tank and it's certainly easier to manage heat with a 5s rep cycle instead of 12s. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig. |
rumncock
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Posted - 2011.03.26 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar But since virtually all subcaps are armor tanks
Well that just isn't true, especially not in the current state of things. alpha shield tank'ed mael's are very very popular and so are drake gangs.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:57:00 -
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The "all nullsec ships armor tank" is a lie. Both my current alliance and most of its local reds are shield tankers. I was out of the game for a year until February, and the call for Drakes in HD fleets still has me giving the screen weird looks. BC/BS roaming fleets with 10+ logistic support ships is becoming very common, and extremely effective against the traditional nullsec fleet tactic of "everyone target the primary".
Nothing more jaw dropping at a 40-60 man fleet hammering a Scimitar or a Drake with a shield bar that has no red on it.
I won't sit here and pretend that my Chimera is lord of any battlefield, but don't come at me with the attitude that its useless because its a shield logistics boat, either. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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