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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.08.28 21:46:00 -
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I finally felt I had enough skill to at least give medium plexes a shot. I bought and Omen and fit it. With my skills it has around 20k EHP with a small repper to fix the scratches and does about 250 DPS with scorch. I figured soloing mediums in a cruiser would be about like soloing minors in a frigate. Not even CLOSE! Had to warp out twice with only killing two enemy cruisers. Are mediums not meant to be soloed? |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
262
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Posted - 2012.08.28 21:54:00 -
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A low-skill 1600mm Arbitrator with Valkyrie IIs can solo the medium Outposts at the button, but with structure damage at the end. A low-skill active Crusader can solo them given much more time. An active AB Executioner or Tormentor can speed tank them by orbiting at 19k and running the repper on occasion. Only the Crusader can fight a wt under the rats. |
mxzf
Blackened Skies
2067
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Posted - 2012.08.28 21:55:00 -
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What 'plexes' are you trying to run? There are many types of complex in Eve, how to run them depends on what type they are. If you're talking about FW plexes, as I'm guessing you are, all you need is a frig with an AB. |
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.08.28 21:57:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:A low-skill 1600mm Arbitrator with Valkyrie IIs can solo the medium Outposts at the button, but with structure damage at the end. A low-skill active Crusader can solo them given much more time. An active AB Executioner or Tormentor can speed tank them by orbiting at 19k and running the repper on occasion. Only the Crusader can fight a wt under the rats.
Yeah i really didn't want to speed tank them because I'm there for a fight as much as I'm there for LP. Think I'll go back to flying frigates and doing minors until CCP makes some major changes. |
Hrett
Justified Chaos
179
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Posted - 2012.08.28 22:17:00 -
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Koujjo Dian wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:A low-skill 1600mm Arbitrator with Valkyrie IIs can solo the medium Outposts at the button, but with structure damage at the end. A low-skill active Crusader can solo them given much more time. An active AB Executioner or Tormentor can speed tank them by orbiting at 19k and running the repper on occasion. Only the Crusader can fight a wt under the rats. Yeah i really didn't want to speed tank them because I'm there for a fight as much as I'm there for LP. Think I'll go back to flying frigates and doing minors until CCP makes some major changes.
You have to be able to project damage at range quickly. A rail thorax destroys mediums. I have used armor and passive shield. You will bleed into armor with the shield fit. You will have to turn on the repper exactly once in the armor fit. A beam omen should work fine, but I will admit I am no laser expert.
Vexor or arbitrator work also. You will just need some kind of small repper if you don't want to dock between every plex. Don't use medium drones - they are too slow. Warriors or hobgoblins are best. I'm probably typing on an iPad, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
262
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Posted - 2012.08.28 22:42:00 -
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But although speed-tanking isn't ideal, you can still get fights by waiting for them to get on grid and then warp to an obvious celestial.
... it's not fun to flub this and get pointed in the plex, though. And some militia enemies will ignore you and go sit on the button. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.08.28 23:27:00 -
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Koujjo Dian wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:A low-skill 1600mm Arbitrator with Valkyrie IIs can solo the medium Outposts at the button, but with structure damage at the end. A low-skill active Crusader can solo them given much more time. An active AB Executioner or Tormentor can speed tank them by orbiting at 19k and running the repper on occasion. Only the Crusader can fight a wt under the rats. Yeah i really didn't want to speed tank them because I'm there for a fight as much as I'm there for LP. Think I'll go back to flying frigates and doing minors until CCP makes some major changes.
A fight? If you're looking for a PvP fight, forget these plexes 'cause you can just go find a fight. If you're looking for a solo PvE fight, don't do content designed for multiple players, go do FW missions (you'll still get LP). |
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.08.28 23:36:00 -
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Koujjo Dian wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:A low-skill 1600mm Arbitrator with Valkyrie IIs can solo the medium Outposts at the button, but with structure damage at the end. A low-skill active Crusader can solo them given much more time. An active AB Executioner or Tormentor can speed tank them by orbiting at 19k and running the repper on occasion. Only the Crusader can fight a wt under the rats. Yeah i really didn't want to speed tank them because I'm there for a fight as much as I'm there for LP. Think I'll go back to flying frigates and doing minors until CCP makes some major changes. A fight? If you're looking for a PvP fight, forget these plexes 'cause you can just go find a fight. If you're looking for a solo PvE fight, don't do content designed for multiple players, go do FW missions (you'll still get LP).
Having a hard time finding fights. Pretty much just sit in minor plexes and hope someone comes in but all anyone wants to do in this game is grind ISK. |
Abannan
Moira. Villore Accords
25
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Posted - 2012.08.29 00:33:00 -
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Dual rep combat fit ishkurs can run them no problem |
Rengerel en Distel
Amarr Science and Industry
343
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Posted - 2012.08.29 03:26:00 -
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Koujjo Dian wrote:Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:Koujjo Dian wrote:Kuehnelt wrote:A low-skill 1600mm Arbitrator with Valkyrie IIs can solo the medium Outposts at the button, but with structure damage at the end. A low-skill active Crusader can solo them given much more time. An active AB Executioner or Tormentor can speed tank them by orbiting at 19k and running the repper on occasion. Only the Crusader can fight a wt under the rats. Yeah i really didn't want to speed tank them because I'm there for a fight as much as I'm there for LP. Think I'll go back to flying frigates and doing minors until CCP makes some major changes. A fight? If you're looking for a PvP fight, forget these plexes 'cause you can just go find a fight. If you're looking for a solo PvE fight, don't do content designed for multiple players, go do FW missions (you'll still get LP). Having a hard time finding fights. Pretty much just sit in minor plexes and hope someone comes in but all anyone wants to do in this game is grind ISK.
You could always get into a pvp FW corp and get out of the npc militia corp.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari State Capturing
232
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Posted - 2012.08.29 03:37:00 -
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Plexes are soloable but amarr ships are not so good overall for plexing. |
Squatdog
State Protectorate Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.08.29 08:44:00 -
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Step One: Put Gila in plex and deploy drones
Step Two: Do laundry/take dog for walk
Step Three: Come back to find plex capped AND three killmails! |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
107
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Posted - 2012.08.29 11:11:00 -
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There are basically three ways to solo medium plexes:
- Get an assault frigate with afterburner and active tank, make it cap stable. Go close orbit and melt face NPC when they approach.
- Do distance tanking, works best with cruiser. Fit long range beams and/or drones and kill rats from distance. Proceed to button only once all rats are killed.
- Active tanking cruiser. Fit medium repper and high resists or dual medium reps for active tanking. Kill the rats from short range once they approach your button.
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Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
107
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Posted - 2012.08.29 11:13:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Plexes are soloable but amarr ships are not so good overall for plexing.
This is non-sense. Amarr ships are indeed the best ship to run Amarr plexes. However, they suffer on running other plexes, especially Minmatar ones. On the other side, shield tanked minmatar ships also suffer from EM-damage in Amarr plexes. So everything is well balanced :-) |
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins Amarr 7th Fleet
24
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Posted - 2012.08.29 11:14:00 -
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I really don't understand you. You know that the enemy will send SFIs and Cynabals, and you want to **** around in a T1 cruiser. Bring your own Cyna, bring a navy Caracal, navy Omen, anything that is competitive. If you just want to farm LP and you are not looking for fights, use this in all minmatar plexes:
[Merlin, minmatar] Damage Control I Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Small Shield Booster II Explosive Deflection Amplifier II Explosive Deflection Amplifier II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
19
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Posted - 2012.08.29 12:45:00 -
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My advice would be to use the Omen's drone bay, with T2 drones of the proper type - Warriors if you're up against Minmatar NPC's I think, because of the explosive resist hole, or maybe Hobgoblins for the damage multiplier. Three T2 drones should be nice for hammering at frigates, and for chipping at NPC cruisers while your guns are cycling.
I'd recommend that when you're building your fit, decide whether you're going to have a pure buffer fit or an active tank - if the latter, fit a medium armor repairer before anything else, and build the rest of your fit around that, because a small armor rep isn't going to cut the mustard on a cruiser; it's basically a wasted slot that could be used for a buffer plate or extra resistance plating or maybe a heat sink for your guns.
(For reference: I know it's possible to solo a medium plex in a ship carrying a full flight of drones. A Worm or Ishkur can tear up a medium with Hobgoblins, and do fairly decently against hostile war targets. Then again, that's a pirate frigate and a T2 assault frigate, respectively.) |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
107
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Posted - 2012.08.29 13:00:00 -
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Cynthia Nezmor wrote:I really don't understand you. You know that the enemy will send SFIs and Cynabals, and you want to **** around in a T1 cruiser. Bring your own Cyna, bring a navy Caracal, navy Omen, anything that is competitive. If you just want to farm LP and you are not looking for fights, use this in all minmatar plexes: [Merlin, minmatar] Damage Control I Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Small Shield Booster II Explosive Deflection Amplifier II Explosive Deflection Amplifier II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
****, I completely forgot that most plex runners just run the plexes for LP and not for souveranity, tags and the PVP fun. |
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.08.29 16:05:00 -
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What I want to do:
1. Keep it cheap. I'm still learning PvP and will lose many ships in the process. 2. Fly a fit that can plex AND PvP. If I can't do that I will just PvP. 3. Fly solo. I've tried fleeting a few times but I quickly tire of the "blue balling" when one side refuses to fight because victory isn't guaranteed.
When I first entered FW I had grand dreams of huge fleets slugging it out for control of a system. I wanted to fly a Battleship or an Oracle and just be another soldier adding my weight to the war. I never seem to be around when the I hubs are actually attacked but I doubt if even one ship is destroyed in the process. The enemy seems to dock up and say "We didn't want that system anyway".
So instead I plex and take my 1 v 1s where I can find them. |
Dan Carter Murray
100
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Posted - 2012.08.29 16:42:00 -
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Koujjo Dian wrote:What I want to do:
1. Keep it cheap. I'm still learning PvP and will lose many ships in the process. 2. Fly a fit that can plex AND PvP. If I can't do that I will just PvP. 3. Fly solo. I've tried fleeting a few times but I quickly tire of the "blue balling" when one side refuses to fight because victory isn't guaranteed.
When I first entered FW I had grand dreams of huge fleets slugging it out for control of a system. I wanted to fly a Battleship or an Oracle and just be another soldier adding my weight to the war. I never seem to be around when the I hubs are actually attacked but I doubt if even one ship is destroyed in the process. The enemy seems to dock up and say "We didn't want that system anyway".
So instead I plex and take my 1 v 1s where I can find them.
you can do all 3, you'll just have a harder time doing #2 in a tech 1 cruiser (or bc for major plexes).
Also, if people are blue balling you, then maybe you're plexing in the wrong system. If you are looking for a fight then plex in someone's home system. This of course makes people come with overwhelming forces to kill you because you're on their front lawn.
Additionally, if you take a system deep in enemy territory then you can make that your new home and defend it with your life while continuing to attack surrounding systems.
If you're minmatar...well...you're SOL just join Iron Oxide or Late Night Alliance and blob everyone to death
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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.08.29 17:06:00 -
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I think I'll try an active tanked Arbitrator. I'm all set to stock up on Navy Omens when we cash out next time but the cost is just too high atm. |
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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.08.29 18:31:00 -
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Looks like the Arby might work. Was doing well on a medium plex when two pirates entered in a Dram and a DD. Killed the DD but lost too many drones to fight the Dram so I stuck Vespas on him and warped out. Was a lot of fun though :). |
Degnar Oskold
Valkyr Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.08.29 20:37:00 -
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I can do medium outposts solo in either a passive shield arbitrator or a active amour arbitrator. The active armour one would work better in case I get PVP jumped as the passive shield one is down a third to half of its tank most of the time. |
Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY
87
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Posted - 2012.08.30 05:23:00 -
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Degnar Oskold wrote:I can do medium outposts solo in either a passive shield arbitrator or a active amour arbitrator. The active armour one would work better in case I get PVP jumped as the passive shield one is down a third to half of its tank most of the time. Last time I used a passive shield Arby, I would cap myself out just warping around the system. Although to be fair, it did save me from warping into a gatecamp once because my warp drive shut down a few thousand km short of the gate. |
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins Amarr 7th Fleet
30
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Posted - 2012.08.30 07:40:00 -
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Meditril wrote:Cynthia Nezmor wrote:I really don't understand you. You know that the enemy will send SFIs and Cynabals, and you want to **** around in a T1 cruiser. Bring your own Cyna, bring a navy Caracal, navy Omen, anything that is competitive. If you just want to farm LP and you are not looking for fights, use this in all minmatar plexes: [Merlin, minmatar] Damage Control I Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Small Shield Booster II Explosive Deflection Amplifier II Explosive Deflection Amplifier II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I Small Capacitor Control Circuit I ****, I completely forgot that most plex runners just run the plexes for LP and not for souveranity, tags and the PVP fun.
Yes, you forget it so quickly that before inferno we had to kill everything while you were flying around in Vigils. You forget how you were running plexes because you were butthurt for whatever reason, while Amarr was looking for fights. |
Generals4
1201
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Posted - 2012.08.30 12:27:00 -
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I can solo unrestricted plex's in a merlin. Hah! -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Reuqh Dew
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.04 16:29:00 -
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I did medium and major amarr plexes in this:
[Malediction, MWD-Plate] Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Dunno does it work on minnie plexes too, can't see why not. MWD around the button at max range. If someone enters the plex, and you can fight him, burn away from the rats and have your brawl. |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
200
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Posted - 2012.09.04 16:57:00 -
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Reuqh Dew wrote:I did medium and major amarr plexes in this:
[Malediction, MWD-Plate] Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Small Ancillary Current Router I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Dunno does it work on minnie plexes too, can't see why not. MWD around the button at max range. If someone enters the plex, and you can fight him, burn away from the rats and have your brawl.
That works against amarr and gallente rats. The other two factions can't do this because of missiles. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
271
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Posted - 2012.09.04 17:15:00 -
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chatgris wrote:That works against amarr and gallente rats. The other two factions can't do this because of missiles.
As I said, even an Executioner can do it in Minnie mediums with just a SAR and DC for tank. Not Majors, though. |
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