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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.03.30 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: MrCoolShades This is ridiculous! So many complaints and not one comment from CCP. So much for the EVE universe being sculpted by the players. Actions speak louder than words people, cause CCP sure doesnt listen to its players anymore. Cancel alt accounts until this is fixed.
CCP never listens. Remember the Mothership changes? Sometimes I think the devs that advocate such changes just don't have the guts to tell their bosses 'I was wrong, this was a bad idea' and would rather go through with them regardless of player feedback.
It's stupid to think alliances would go to war over plexing space. Plexing and ratting only affects the little guy, the grunt. Alliances as a whole and their leadership mostly care about moon income, because that's what keeps them running.
IMHO all this change will do is make people that don't have alternate income sources (trade, industry, botting, RMT etc) leave to high sec because they can't afford 0.0 life anymore.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.03.31 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kovid Edited by: Kovid on 31/03/2011 04:41:48
For small alliance who can not adapt...
Who' fault is it if the alliance can not support themselves? Is it the leaders or the individual pilots who can not do anything in null sec besides rat in sanctums? These pilots can not probe plexes, wormholes, rat in the age old belts, mine, etc... If so many people will be leaving null sec, or these alliances fall apart then they don't seem to be much an alliance or player in the first place.
I imagine some players will find new homes in larger alliances that have better space, better leadership, more robust and active pilots, etc..
Those people in null sec should ask their alliances to distribute some isk from moon goo to the players right?
The problem is that those small alliances(without significant moon goo would have to pay Dominion sov costs with pre Dominion income. Before the sov changes, the costs of holding sov in a region nobody wanted was ridiculously small (you could get away with as little as 1 POS per system). Now it's a completely different matter.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.03.31 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kovid Edited by: Kovid on 31/03/2011 09:28:33
Originally by: Tub Chil they are removing them for me because I live in pure blind
They are telling you the less fortunate, and the new people to null sec, get to go to lesser desired places. These places in theory should not be fought over by the people with the bigger guns. If you do not consider yourself one of these people you can move and fight for a better spot against people with big guns and rightfully claim your reward should you win. In case of failure go back and take scraps, or empire space.
Have you ever been in a big sov fight? Do you even have the slightest idea what numbers and effort it takes to dislodge a non-incompetent enemy? It's delusional to think ppl would go through all that effort just for sanctums.
Originally by: Kovid Another option is to apply for these richer space alliances and tell them about what assets you can bring to the table for them.
I like where this is going.
As in encourage blobbing and huge alliances?
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.03.31 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Levistus Junior on 31/03/2011 13:58:31
Originally by: Rene Winter
Originally by: Lonely Island
Originally by: Levistus Junior Edited by: Levistus Junior on 31/03/2011 06:07:04
Originally by: Kovid Edited by: Kovid on 31/03/2011 04:41:48
For small alliance who can not adapt...
Who' fault is it if the alliance can not support themselves? Is it the leaders or the individual pilots who can not do anything in null sec besides rat in sanctums? These pilots can not probe plexes, wormholes, rat in the age old belts, mine, etc... If so many people will be leaving null sec, or these alliances fall apart then they don't seem to be much an alliance or player in the first place.
I imagine some players will find new homes in larger alliances that have better space, better leadership, more robust and active pilots, etc..
Those people in null sec should ask their alliances to distribute some isk from moon goo to the players right?
The problem is that those small alliances(without significant moon goo) would have to pay Dominion sov costs with pre Dominion income. Before the sov changes, the costs of holding sov in a region nobody wanted was ridiculously small (you could get away with as little as 1 POS per system). Now it's a completely different matter.
Well tbh a small alliance in poor truesec space such as yourselves will be better dropping sov (excluding outpost systems) in your space after April 5th. Doesn't 0.0 have potential for good income generation through high-class wormholes?? (and it isn't raw isk, no won't add to eve-inflation)
Thats pretty much the conclusion I came up with, pay for sov in station systems and drop it everywhere else because ownership gains you nothing but a bill.
That's probably what's going to happen. After these changes, only reasons to have sov in most regions would be strategic (outposts, JBs, cyno gens etc.). I have no problem with that, although any naive dudes that would set up camp in an 'unclaimed' system only to see their stuff swiftly annihilated by 30-40 supercaps belonging to the de facto owners might.
What I do have problem with is:
-CCPs stated reasons for this change; they prove either ignorance of the game, or plain lying to the players -The fact that 80-90% of the guys that used 0.0 anomalies to fund their PvP will no longer be able to move so, which will probably generate a move from 0.0 to high sec (or plain quitting for those that find high sec boring), which I fail to see how it will benefit the game.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.02 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gogela
ahhh... you guys are getting too comfortable out there in Null. I'm looking forward to anything that increases conflict. It's better for everyone in the game. You have too much pie. CCP is just giving us more slices... they aren't removing any pie from the game. You guys just don't want to share the pie... but the rest of us are hungry.
Now if we can just get a jump bridge nerf....
First of all they are removing pie from the game. The total number of good anomalies across the cluster is dropping, so yeah, there will be less ISK entering the game via anomaly ratting
Secondly, if you weren't getting any pie before, the odds of getting some now are even lower, as the pie will be concentrated in the hands of a few pretty powerful alliances.
Thirdly, if you think this change increases conflict, think again. Go look through pre-Dominion EVE history and try to find a single conflict that was fought over ratting space.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.05 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Levistus Junior on 05/04/2011 08:24:23
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
If you're renting, then this does screw you over. If you're a small alliance that isn't renting, then this is good for you as all those renters will be heading to high-sec.
Grow a spine, play eve like every other small 0.0 alliance did before Dominion.
And why would a small alliance maintain sov in crappy 0.0 after these changes? Why pay 2-300 mil/month for sov if there's nothing profitable in that system?
All of this assuming you're being left alone and no big coallition comes knocking and offering you the free choice between 'pay rent' and 'die'
Sorry, I'm really not buying into the fact that making some space so crappy that it's not worth holding will actually make people want to hold it.
Also, in regards to increasing fights, it's not going to happen. People go to war over moons, cause that's where the big money are, not over sanctums.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.05 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Doris Dragonbreath
But weren't those 0.0ers out there to pew pew and expand their empire? Otherwise they should have never left hi sec anyway.
These millimetric comparisons about ISK here vs ISK there are really pathetic.
You go to 0.0 to pew pew, carve your space and enter the EvE annals hall of fame not to farm with a Mom. Else what's different vs staying in Motsu like the average bear?
Most 0.0 guys would very much like if it was possible to make ISK in 0.0 and not require a missioning alt in hisec.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.05 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Levistus Junior on 05/04/2011 13:00:55
Originally by: Lost'In'Space Edited by: Lost''In''Space on 05/04/2011 12:04:44
Originally by: Levistus Junior Most 0.0 guys would very much like if it was possible to make ISK in 0.0 and not require a missioning alt in hisec.
Quote: if it was possible to make ISK in 0.0
Quote: possible .. make ISK .. 0.0
I was referring to pilot level income, not alliance/corp owned moons.
ATM it makes no sense to try and make isk in crappy 0.0 as you can make better ISK (and safer) in high sec running level 4s.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.05 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Levistus Junior on 05/04/2011 14:15:03 TBH, I can see quite a few reasons behind this move(and ignoring an 100 page threadnaught on it):
-maybe there really is a problem with too much ISK entering the economy (prices for PLEX for example have risen by at almost 100 mil in the past year or so IIRC) and, as a stopgap measure, it's easier to adopt something that just reduces overall income across the board than commit large resources to bot banning. WoD/Dust/walking in stations is more important.
-maybe they had enough of the bad publicity laggy fleet fights and crappy reimbursement policy is giving them across gaming news sites and forums, so they want to force people out of 0.0 in the hope of making fights take place at a more manageable scale. Of course they could try to rewrite code to take advantage of a multi-core architecture and such, but :effort. WoD/Dust/walking in stations is more important.
This move probably makes sense for CCP, but I think the real reasons behind it have nothing to do with the bull**** they've been feeding to the public.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.06 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Levistus Junior on 06/04/2011 11:44:36
Originally by: nano bobcat Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 11:12:54
98 pages of bull**** whine and counterwhine does mean nothing. Its still CCPs game. I respect them doing this step despite of ****ed carebears across the half of eve's 0.0, but there are things which have to be done.
I'd be willing to give CCP much more leeway with this 'we know what's best, trust us, it will be cool in the end' approach if they had't proven their lack of understanding of their own game mechanics and a 'promise a lot, deliver little, move to the next shiny features and don't talk of it ever again' mentality in pretty much every expansion after Apocrypha.
CCP has made so many stupid moves that it's entirely understandable that most people would suppose any given move is stupid until proven otherwise.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lost'In'Space
I don't see 98 pages to the dominion expansion when they introduced this 0.0 upgradable anomaly, so, what's your point?
There weren't any abut that subject specifically because it was overshadowed by other more important matters. Do I need to remember you of the threadnaughts asking for Nozh's head after attempting to revert the supercap rebalance or the endless discussions about the new sov mechanics?
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lost'In'Space Edited by: Lost''In''Space on 06/04/2011 12:07:11
Originally by: Levistus Junior Do I need to remember you of the threadnaughts asking for Nozh's head after attempting to revert the supercap rebalance or the endless discussions about the new sov mechanics?
Yes
P.S. No, I am not an alt of anyone whom I tried to "glorify"
Dominion related treadnaught: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1217073
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Red Morbo
Originally by: nano bobcat Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 14:19:03
Originally by: Copy Dude2 No, I dont want to nerf it. I believe that CCP has decided that it is a good way to stop people moaning about lag by preventing more peeps from swelling fleets to the point where they cause lag, thereby leaving them to sell us other pointless items for real life money.
less ball licking pets = smaller blobs. You got it right, dude!! This is the proper way of fixing the lag. Gratz, CCP for this awesome step!
Seen bigger blobs in low sec faction wars,more often than null imo
This move will reduce 0.0 blobs by reducing the overall population of 0.0, that's pretty much a given IMHO. However the reduction is happening in the wrong direction IMHO. Big, rich alliances that live in good space have much less to suffer from this nerf, so will bleed way less members than smaller, poorer alliances that live in crappier space. Not to mention guys in crappy space that will try to move to good space. This means that, although the overall numbers involved in a hypothetical conflict might drop, the balance will be skewed further in favor of the rich&powerful, as their numbers will be dropping by a smaller fraction than their poorer opponents.
Second issue: supercaps. It is unlikely supercap owners will leave null-sec over this. Which, coupled with overall reduction in nullsec numbers means that the proportion of supercaps per active pilot, which further moves the game in the direction of Supercaps Online.
I really believe this patch will change nothing in the long run(apart from some feeling of bitterness toward CCP that keeps accumulating in the playerbase); the rich will still be rich and powerful, and the poor will still be poor and unable to challenge them due to lack of resources.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: nano bobcat
Originally by: Levistus Junior Big, rich alliances that live in good space have much less to suffer from this nerf, so will bleed way less members than smaller, poorer alliances that live in crappier space.
then go kick them the f*ck outta there!! Angry crowd will always win about fat farts living in luxury!! Even their supers wont save them. If things get serious, those fat dudes wont risk their shiny supers to the angry mob. Of course, nothing will change for them if you just keep your asses for them and trying living from crumbs. Its your decision.
And this is where you're wrong. Have you ever fought a properly supported supercap fleet? And by fleet I mean 20-30+. It's simply impossible to combat that kind of numbers without a supercap blob of your own.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: nano bobcat
You are not longer supposed to work together with your fcking (already oversized) NAP against all smaller groups but exactly the opposite... or get the f*ck out! Its an awesome patch!
Actually, people are known to defy what they're 'supposed to do' and go their way regardless. Blobs will continue to exist just fine after this patch, even if only to **** off 'l33t PVPers' like you, that instead of fighting other 'l33t pvp' alliances pick up on a blob 10x their size, get blobbed as expected and then run to the forums to whine.
Even if the current batch of renters/pets/allies/whatever from a certain region leave, sooner or later the vacuum will soon enough be filled by fresh meat, and if you really believe there's a chance for somebody moving into NC/DRFs backyard without being blue to them, then you really need a serious comeback to reality
Just for the record, this is what happens when you fight the supercap blob with a conventional fleet: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9298031
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: nano bobcat Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 18:34:26
Originally by: Levistus Junior
Actually, people are known to defy what they're 'supposed to do' and go their way regardless. Blobs will continue to exist just fine after this patch
yeh, then the patch is not that hard as you're trying to tell us, right? Btw., my ratting alt in tenal will still have sanctums, in oppisite to you guys in pb :-D
And my trade alt makes 3x of what you do running sanctums with 10% of the time you spend in sanctums; your point is?
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Levistus Junior
Originally by: nano bobcat
You are not longer supposed to work together with your fcking (already oversized) NAP against all smaller groups but exactly the opposite... or get the f*ck out! Its an awesome patch!
Actually, people are known to defy what they're 'supposed to do' and go their way regardless. Blobs will continue to exist just fine after this patch, even if only to **** off 'l33t PVPers' like you, that instead of fighting other 'l33t pvp' alliances pick up on a blob 10x their size, get blobbed as expected and then run to the forums to whine.
Even if the current batch of renters/pets/allies/whatever from a certain region leave, sooner or later the vacuum will soon enough be filled by fresh meat, and if you really believe there's a chance for somebody moving into NC/DRFs backyard without being blue to them, then you really need a serious comeback to reality
Just for the record, this is what happens when you fight the supercap blob with a conventional fleet: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=9298031
well you only telling half the story this is what happens when pvpers meet you guys http://kb.bunkerhub.de/?a=kill_related&kll_id=148771 then on the way home they got dropped by goons(3-1) and lost 23 BS .. im sure they shrug it off and are not running sanctims 24/7 now
What makes you think NC is running sanctums 24/7? We surely did PvP enough to send your dear SirMolle&friends packing in no time during MAX2. And we did the same to every invasion attempt ever. Oh wait...we did that from a sanctum, didn't we?
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: nano bobcat Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 18:53:42
Originally by: Levistus Junior
And my trade alt makes 3x of what you do running sanctums with 10% of the time you spend in sanctums; your point is?
oh yes, trading doing it too, awesome income. My point is that you were plain stupid keep sucking your lords balls even after the changes.
Meh, I guess you 'l33t PVPers' really don't get what NC and BFF stands for.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.07 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Peralandra [
For all the people still complaining... did you read the recent economic report? If you did, and understood it, you would know exactly why this change is going through. CCP know what they're doing, and why this needs to happen. It is their game after all, so just chill the funk out and let's see what happens...
Dominion sov system, supercarriers, Technetium, PI, faction warfare and a few others I won't bother to name. All exquisite proofs how well CCP know what they're doing.
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Levistus Junior
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: nano bobcat
if they would try to achieve something by themselves it would be a great thing. But that was not the case, instead most of them just crawled under NCs skirt for endless carebearing and made the political map more static as it ever was before. Its not a good thing at all. Some nullsec entities abused unlimited resources of dominion to form megablobs and steamroll everything in their way.
Not like that is going to change; not while technetium is still there. Some small time carebears might go, but the big boys will still be here, bloting out the sun with their technetium funded supercap blob(or botting/RMT funded in the case of DRF).
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