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Lord Arbalest
Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:22:00 -
[1171]
Edited by: Lord Arbalest on 28/03/2011 21:23:57 Lovely to see how you treat your customer's opnions Greyscale. A pillar and role model to all those who want to become leading business people and soak in how to treat customers.
I also enjoyed how you addressed and explained the many well structured and accurate points your player base made to prove how terrible this idea could be. Really handling this whole situation well, I have no doubt EVE's subscriptions will rise with you leading this new approach to customer care. __________________________________
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omgdutch2005
Gallente Advanced Planetary Exports Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:37:00 -
[1172]
this some sick april fools 1st of april joke?
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PorkCleaner
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:45:00 -
[1173]
CCP Greyscale:
I think you are forgetting a very important game issues on 2 counts.
1) This is a game and not a real life economy/military scenario. It is not about all about the efficiencies and best way to achieve your game objectives. Aside from the debatable logic as seen by the numerous responses, this proposal will have an effect on "HOW MUCH FUN I WILL HAVE PLAYING THE GAME". People like the Sanctums because they are fun and not because they are profitable. You do this and you take away the fun - remember this is a game and there is no logical justification for taking fun out of a game.
2) Listen to your customers. I am really tired of your attitude towards us. I respect your intelligence in 'game design' but I don't think you have ever run a business. If I were your Boss, I would be thinking really hard about 'personal development' plans.
Sorry if this is hard, but your last response was 'over the top'.
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Cyrus Doul
Infinite Development
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:47:00 -
[1174]
Originally by: omgdutch2005 this some sick april fools 1st of april joke?
I hope so. But usually don't they announce extended dt's with more then four days advanced warning for biggish patches like this? April is Friday...
How much your region is getting screwed
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Galerak
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tiligean Edited by: Tiligean on 28/03/2011 19:58:00 With all the rage here, I want to know one thing - and I'd love to hear it from someone who lived in nullsec both before and after Dominion was released.
How did you make ISK before Dominion gave you Sanctums? Because I'm wondering what you did to make that (averaged) 75m isk/hr that you can't live without now? Or did you make do with less than 75m isk/hr? How ever did you survive with less? And if the average rate of isk/hr on a Sanctum is 75m, what's a haven? 50m? what's a hub? 20m? what's a port? 10m?
Seriously. Everyone here is frothing at the mouth because CCP is going to reduce the number of systems where you can make 75 million ISK/hr.
Seriously?
Pre-Dominion I ratted in a torp raven. Made roughly 25-30 mil an hr before the nerf to torp range. After that as an individual pilot in a smaller renting alliance times were tough and eventually I had to move back to empire being unable to replace enough ships fast enough to participate in mandatory CTA's. Dominion was a second chance at sustainable life in 0.0, for me and I'm sure many others.
With the current status of populations in 0.0 being a small alliance w/ few sov systems 4 afk cloaky reds can shut down pve in a system literally for days. This weekend has been one of those. If you venture out to mine or go do anoms/belt ratting solo you get jumped by bombers and a falcon. If you take a whole group out to anoms you get hot dropped and if you try to fight them they just stay cloaked up. So when we ARE able to clear havens and sanctums it ends up almost making up for the time the system is being camped by forces you can't force into a fight.
With that resource being gone I expect individual combat pilots to be forced out of null sec as losses mount and between hostile incursions/afk black ops camps and the upcoming nerf income for individual combat pilots is reduced to nearly nothing.
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Shimokurasaka
Therapy. R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:50:00 -
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You guys are making a horrible decision.
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JitaBUGz TheGreat
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Locii
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Originally by: CCP Greyscale Hey everyone,
It'd be pretty difficult not to notice the fairly strong negative reaction this blog's getting so far, and any time this sort of reaction occurs it's pretty common policy for us to take a pause and do another evaluation pass on the design, taking into account the arguments raised by players. Obviously we're in the middle of fanfest right now so everything takes a little longer than usual, but I'm going to talk to some people tomorrow, get some other perspectives, and figure out whether or not we're still happy with both the direction and the details here.
We are starting to take another serious look at a range of nullsec issues right now, with an eye to fixing structural issues with the current design. Be aware that fixing the problems we're facing is very likely going to involve disrupting the current status quo, and in at least some cases I'm expecting us to push through changes we're confident in despite (expected) negative feedback. We have to consider the long-term big picture, and that priority may sometimes conflict with the immediate interests of some elements of the playerbase. That said, this may or may not be one of those occasions - watch this space.
Have a nice weekend everybody, and I'll try and get back to you with more info next week -Greyscale
Hi again,
Update on the above post: we've looked at the concerns brought up here, and done another evaluation pass as mentioned above. The outcome of this is that, while we understand and appreciate that these changes will negatively impact residents in some areas of space in the short term, we feel that on balance they are still likely to result in a noticeably positive overall outcome in the long run. This decision is mainly predicated on the fact that we still have a sufficient degree of confidence in our models of nullsec causality.
We understand that many players have alternate models that predict negative outcomes; we will of course be monitoring developments post-deployment to confirm whether or not things are developing in the way we are predicting, with an eye to modifying the proposed system if we see unexpected negative outcomes occurring, but we don't believe that the arguments raised by players in this thread weaken our model sufficiently to justify changing our plans at this stage.
We appreciate that this decision is not going to be regarded as a positive one by most participants of this thread, and we of course respect your right to continue to express your previously-noted disapproval here in a civil manner.
That's all for today, -Greyscale
id liek to see this data tbfh.
as a mid sized corp that dosnt have access to decent moons and living in 0.0 this is gonna hit hard. we have already noticed a drop in tax income since the anom respawn time was bumped to 6mins, and we currenty have 2 systems being shared between our corp and both aparently are having 1 sanctum removed due to this change. we fund our pvp replacments from our tax income, players pay most and we take the insurance costs away from them. this change is only going to slow down our ambissions and hinder us doing the same thing as your stated goals are.
you have no ****ing idea imho about this changes and how they will effect a massive number of players. i might be wrong but im not taking the word of ccp for it. prove it share your information or as many peopel in this thred have already stated, i call you on your bull****
Increase tax's if that is what funds ur guys pvp.
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 28/03/2011 21:54:05 I might also suggest that you put some thought into your customer feedback beyond "oh they're just mad we're taking away their sanctums, ignore them, they'll get over it," since that's the only thing I can think of that would justify (hah) the amount of communication we're receiving.
AND MAYBE EXPLAIN YOUR REASONING SO THAT US PUNY NON GAME DESIGNER MORTALS HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IN THE WORLD YOU'RE THINKING, THAT MIGHT BE GOOD TOO I mean obviously the "no you're wrong and we're right because we're right" is a good way to convince a six year old but when dealing with, I dunno, 12 year olds (and the 20-30 year olds that fund your company) that maybe providing some actual reasoning and thought could be a good idea
just sayin throwin it out there think about it
(seriously can you please explain what led you to this conclusion)
P.S. dont get discouraged at least you're not at the Bioware level of handling feedback ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Zemkhoff
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:55:00 -
[1179]
now D-team alliances get D-level space
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:56:00 -
[1180]
i have realised why ccp grayscale is applying this nerf its because he is a spy for wow as he looks like a wow avatar i expect to see the wow link at the end of his next post
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:09:00 -
[1181]
WoW doesn't need EvE's less than 3% marketshare.
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CorryBasler
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:10:00 -
[1182]
Edited by: CorryBasler on 28/03/2011 22:13:29 yep confirming its about time to cancel my alt account's subb's since i just have them to run anoms while i pvp on the main account
most of catch will be utterly useless and most of the renters we have now will want to leave for better space
EDIT: Also this will make for better carebear killing pvp though, just find the systems with -.5 and below then afk cloak their till something gets fed up and starts ratting anyways, then uncloak and kill :-)
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Renan Ruivo
Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:14:00 -
[1183]
Yeah i wont cancel, but i'll let two of my accounts expire. Not complaining, but that's that. I won't be able to afford them any longer. ____________
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VIncent Vance
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:14:00 -
[1184]
Edited by: VIncent Vance on 28/03/2011 22:15:01 Excellent work Greyscale, keep up the good work. The rivers of tears flowing from the north can only be considered good omens.
Now, we need to once and for all move those lvl4s to losec, that should solve the empire/nullsec risk vs reward disparity that certain posters are trotting out as an excuse to continue their compulsive 0.0 carebearing rut.
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Acris Vlame
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:19:00 -
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We'll I guess we could all buy PLEX instead, nice of CCP to have created that option for us, I mean alright it makes them more money if this happens but I am sure that is an unfortunate side of trying to get more dynamic gameplay, not the prime intent.
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:20:00 -
[1186]
Originally by: VIncent Vance im a clueless idiot / so desperate for attention i'll troll a 99.5% unanimous thread
fyp ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Galerak
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:21:00 -
[1187]
So how are the refunds for Ihub upgrades going to work exactly?
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:22:00 -
[1188]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: VIncent Vance im a clueless idiot / so desperate for attention i'll troll a 99.5% unanimous thread
fyp
d-team alliance gets d-team space...deal with it
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Renan Ruivo
Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:28:00 -
[1189]
Originally by: Galerak So how are the refunds for Ihub upgrades going to work exactly?
This. ____________
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:29:00 -
[1190]
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: VIncent Vance im a clueless idiot / so desperate for attention i'll troll a 99.5% unanimous thread
fyp
d-team alliance gets d-team space...deal with it
d-team game developers get d-team playerbase. They're trying to deal with it by getting you chums to buy more plex, lol.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:30:00 -
[1191]
They don't do refunds for that kind of thing. Your corp/alliance has already reaped the benefits of the ihub and upgrades.
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Starkiller Adams
Gallente Interwebs Cooter Explosion Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat They don't do refunds for that kind of thing. Your corp/alliance has already reaped the benefits of the ihub and upgrades.
not if we have only had them for a ****ing weeek
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ShadowsMirror
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik Want more wars in 0.0 space? Than boost the income of an individual player so he can spend less time grinding and more time fighting. You obviously don't have a clue what's the mentality of a real nullsec player.
Oh... and yeah... Wars are not started over Sanctums and ratting systems. That's just silly.
You took the words right out of my head. Without the ability to run a haven a few times a week, my income will seize & any 0.0 incentives will quickly dissapear. It would be back to running level 4 missions on an alt account. Ccp dont understand how 0.0 works for the casual player, at the very least they should provide more incentive, it is silly
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Galerak
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:44:00 -
[1194]
Originally by: Widemouth Deepthroat They don't do refunds for that kind of thing. Your corp/alliance has already reaped the benefits of the ihub and upgrades.
I disagree. The upgrades are a long term investment in a system. The purpose of that investment will be voided by the upcoming changes. If ccp is going to change the rules of the game and reverse their previous changes they should compensate for misleading the residents into purchasing equipment that does not work as stated, intended or advertised.
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Basil Wenclas
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:49:00 -
[1195]
Not that CCP gives a flying **** about me or any other average joe, but I have two accounts, and I only am able to pay for Eve via plex, as I am too broke in RL. This change is going to most likely prevent that from happening. I'll be down to one account at most, or none at all most likely. There are plenty of posts that eloquently describe what is wrong with these changes, and how they will negatively affect the playerbase, so I really won't say more on that, just a thank you for making this a ****ty ****ty way to end my eve 'career'.
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Corin Nebulon
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:51:00 -
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Greyscale you should really ask for someone to handle public relations for you. Your last post really reads like "F*** *ff eve community. We know better then you."
Have you ever considered to make the changes in a way, that they have less impact? Just to see if the changes at least show a tendency to the behavior you predicted?
But no, in good old fashion the nerf hammer is applied. Without even considering that the negative outcomes may, by far, outweight the positives. And afterwards this will take another 2 years until you realise and admit your failure and another 2 years to get it balanced again...*sigh*
Sometimes following the development process of this game really is saddening.
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VIncent Vance
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.03.28 23:03:00 -
[1197]
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: VIncent Vance im a clueless idiot / so desperate for attention i'll troll a 99.5% unanimous thread
fyp
lol I used to be a member of one of your 'shortbus team' alliance neighbours till the 99.99% carebear outlook of most of the members prompted me to quit.
And you suggest I should just support this due to the other "99.5% unanimous" sheep like yourself? .....hmmm actually I guess being a sheep is a requirement for being a full time NC drone. The only thing I can say in favour of WTF is that they weren't quite as fail as your lot lol
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VIncent Vance
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.03.28 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Corin Nebulon Greyscale you should really ask for someone to handle public relations for you. Your last post really reads like "F*** *ff eve community. We know better then you."
Have you ever considered to make the changes in a way, that they have less impact? Just to see if the changes at least show a tendency to the behavior you predicted?
But no, in good old fashion the nerf hammer is applied. Without even considering that the negative outcomes may, by far, outweight the positives. And afterwards this will take another 2 years until you realise and admit your failure and another 2 years to get it balanced again...*sigh*
Sometimes following the development process of this game really is saddening.
lol tbh I think the likes of yourself (and RZR) are scared ****less that you may have to actually personally fight for your space as alliances in the near future, instead of the mega-coalition nodebreaking blobs full of buffer z-team filler you've been acustomed to for a long time now. You guys had it once, you think you'll still have it when the chips are down?
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2011.03.28 23:21:00 -
[1199]
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Originally by: CCP Greyscale Hey everyone,
It'd be pretty difficult not to notice the fairly strong negative reaction this blog's getting so far, and any time this sort of reaction occurs it's pretty common policy for us to take a pause and do another evaluation pass on the design, taking into account the arguments raised by players. Obviously we're in the middle of fanfest right now so everything takes a little longer than usual, but I'm going to talk to some people tomorrow, get some other perspectives, and figure out whether or not we're still happy with both the direction and the details here.
We are starting to take another serious look at a range of nullsec issues right now, with an eye to fixing structural issues with the current design. Be aware that fixing the problems we're facing is very likely going to involve disrupting the current status quo, and in at least some cases I'm expecting us to push through changes we're confident in despite (expected) negative feedback. We have to consider the long-term big picture, and that priority may sometimes conflict with the immediate interests of some elements of the playerbase. That said, this may or may not be one of those occasions - watch this space.
Have a nice weekend everybody, and I'll try and get back to you with more info next week -Greyscale
Hi again,
Update on the above post: we've looked at the concerns brought up here, and done another evaluation pass as mentioned above. The outcome of this is that, while we understand and appreciate that these changes will negatively impact residents in some areas of space in the short term, we feel that on balance they are still likely to result in a noticeably positive overall outcome in the long run. This decision is mainly predicated on the fact that we still have a sufficient degree of confidence in our models of nullsec causality.
We understand that many players have alternate models that predict negative outcomes; we will of course be monitoring developments post-deployment to confirm whether or not things are developing in the way we are predicting, with an eye to modifying the proposed system if we see unexpected negative outcomes occurring, but we don't believe that the arguments raised by players in this thread weaken our model sufficiently to justify changing our plans at this stage.
We appreciate that this decision is not going to be regarded as a positive one by most participants of this thread, and we of course respect your right to continue to express your previously-noted disapproval here in a civil manner.
That's all for today, -Greyscale
The data you have is what you pulled out of your arse. You have no data, you're a liar.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.03.28 23:22:00 -
[1200]
Originally by: Corin Nebulon Greyscale you should really ask for someone to handle public relations for you. Your last post really reads like "F*** *ff eve community. We know better then you."
Considering the level of maturity displayed by 'the community' in this thread I'd say its pretty amazing that they even bother to respond at all.
Its alright to be angry about something that concerns you, but the inability to communicate in a socially acceptable form displayed by a majority in here is simply not acceptable.
Being taken seriously does depend a lot on the way you voice your opinion, but thats just my 2 cents.
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