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Mkah Mvet
WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:33:00 -
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One of the fanfest vids mentioned that the graphics devs are all "wtf" about people having silhouettes still for their portraits. As a silhouette, let me tell you why. All my characters that I don't care about have portraits. This is my main, and am keeping it a silhouette. The original reason I procrastinated was because of the abysmal content on launch. There was no way to communicate the feeling of my old portrait to my new one. I did not trust CCP to NOT charge $ for future portrait updates, and planned on waiting until the last second so I would get the options that the early lemmings would have to pay $ for. That doesn't appear to be the case, but I still don't trust that it will be. And there's still the issue where the only visual options are now "grotesque troll" "military wannabe" or "politician." There are no portrait options that I can care about. And on top of that, the half-assed lighting options make all portraits look like they were taken by a discount photographer in the mall.
Another thing, I prefer to see silhouettes in other people. I walk away when someone breaks out their photo album, I don't want to see that crap on local, especially at the cost of performance. I blocked the portrait server on my computer, and am loving the silhouettes. Give us options on when we load and don't load portraits, and so many of us will be so much happier about them. Instead of giving us more options, the few options we had were taken away which is completely offensive.
So, that's my whine thread CCP. Portrait updates reduced player options instead of expanding them, and thus was a bad expansion.
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Carter Arbosa
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:38:00 -
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Have you seen how many different portraits exist now? You are factually wrong, new portraits introduced more variety. They are also going to introduce back hats and tattoos so problem solved if you are missing those.
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Nemesis Factor
Caldari Telanus' Reach
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:44:00 -
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Go back and read the dev blog about tatoos and piercings. It was already confirmed that you will be able to re customize your portrait whenever you want except for bone structure and weight. And there will almost certainly be no changes or additions from here on that you won't be able to add later. If they DO start selling stuff you can be sure you won't have access to it unless you pay for it. ==================== ~/~ Sultan of Buruni |
Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet I did not trust CCP to NOT charge $ for future portrait updates, and planned on waiting until the last second so I would get the options that the early lemmings would have to pay $ for. That doesn't appear to be the case, but I still don't trust that it will be.
OP displays critical lack of trust as well as extreme paranoia.
Originally by: Mkah Mvet And there's still the issue where the only visual options are now "grotesque troll" "military wannabe" or "politician." There are no portrait options that I can care about.
Here, OP displays a critical lack of imagination.
Originally by: Mkah Mvet I walk away when someone breaks out their photo album, I don't want to see that crap on local, especially at the cost of performance.
OP displays obsessive tendancies and a lack of understanding of the reality of the situation (i.e. new portraits now load nigh-instantaneously and no longer lock up the game).
I searched for content in the OP and found none. But plenty of stuff projecting their personality flaws!
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TheLostPenguin
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: TheLostPenguin on 27/03/2011 19:05:23 Ok that's a little harsh on the number of options perhaps, but certainly there's plenty of "looks" you could do before that are impossible now, whilst there's stuff you can do now that wasn't possible before I don't see why we couldn't have had a system that allowed all the new bits whilst also all the old permutations
Couldn't agree more tho on the sheer stupidity of the client now loading portraits at every possible oppurtunity, this was a dumb idea to start with and since CCP "are aware of the issue" on this it seems they prefer hurting users performance deliberately than changing one small bit of code back to what was used before, I don't NEED to see anyones pic in station guests/local, I don't often WANT to either, and certainly not when it's at the cost of performance as CCP desperately try to ram a shedload of images down my (occasionally narrow and clogged) interweb pipes.
We've had the devblog outlining some of the content they forgot to include at launch that's now coming SoonÖ, why not fix one of the other silly and easily fixable ****ups as well....
*edited stupid typos
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: mkmin on 27/03/2011 19:06:18 It's worth blocking portraits. People need more options.
I've posted before on how you can prevent client-side portrait loading by changing access options to the cache folder. EVE can't save portraits, game doesn't display them.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:07:00 -
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/forum whine
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Teranul on 27/03/2011 19:08:37 Good lord, people actually care about the performance impact from loading tiny 64x64 .jpg images?!
It is official: EVE's player base is the most spoiled of any gaming population, ever.
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Mkah Mvet
WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul
Originally by: Mkah Mvet I did not trust CCP to NOT charge $ for future portrait updates, and planned on waiting until the last second so I would get the options that the early lemmings would have to pay $ for. That doesn't appear to be the case, but I still don't trust that it will be.
OP displays critical lack of trust as well as extreme paranoia.
Originally by: Mkah Mvet And there's still the issue where the only visual options are now "grotesque troll" "military wannabe" or "politician." There are no portrait options that I can care about.
Here, OP displays a critical lack of imagination.
Originally by: Mkah Mvet I walk away when someone breaks out their photo album, I don't want to see that crap on local, especially at the cost of performance.
OP displays obsessive tendancies and a lack of understanding of the reality of the situation (i.e. new portraits now load nigh-instantaneously and no longer lock up the game).
I searched for content in the OP and found none. But plenty of stuff projecting their personality flaws!
Are you telling me loading EVERY portrait is faster than loading NO portraits? Think very very carefully about that.
And yes, there are technically "lots" of options, except I figure having 20 different versions of "biker jacket and t-shirt" to be 1 option, not 20. I figure 2 hair styles ("douchebag" and "dreads") to not be worth updating my portrait for, and that's what the thread is about. I consider tats and piercings to be 1 choice ("biker wannabe.") Not worth updating my portrait for. The thread is about preferring a silhouette over a bunch of stuff that has the exact same feel as anything else, and nobody's convinced me it's worth doing, or not procrastinating until the last possible second.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul Edited by: Teranul on 27/03/2011 19:08:37 Good lord, people actually care about the performance impact from loading tiny 64x64 .jpg images?!
It is official: EVE's player base is the most spoiled of any gaming population, ever.
If EVE didn't have such ****ty client-side rendering, no, it wouldn't be a problem. People turn off brackets in fleet fights, they reduce graphical options in the escape menu. The turn off sound, and everything else. Any option to trim the useless fat that lags the client and gives people a chance to lock my pod, the better.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet Are you telling me loading EVERY portrait is faster than loading NO portraits? Think very very carefully about that.
Loading EVERY new portrait as a static image from the server is a lot faster than locally rendering all old portraits. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Mkah Mvet Are you telling me loading EVERY portrait is faster than loading NO portraits? Think very very carefully about that.
Loading EVERY new portrait as a static image from the server is a lot faster than locally rendering all old portraits.
So what? What dumbass had "render all portraits" in the old system? Compare options that people actually used. New system is inarguably slower. Some highsec carebear forums trolls seem to think it doesn't matter, but anybody who actually undocks, or has a computer cheaper than their car will will care.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/03/2011 19:26:47
Originally by: mkmin Some highsec carebear forums trolls seem to think it doesn't matter, but anybody who actually undocks, or has a computer cheaper than their car will will care.
I don't have a car, so I guess by default mu PC is more expensive than my null car
Also, portraits are loaded from a DIFFERENT machine than the one you get physical simulation data from. Whatever scenario you concoct other than truly epic fleet fights can't be much worse than simply entering Jita. And no, I don't see any noticeable performance drop in that case. Not from loading portraits anyway. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet tl;dr
You may as well just make your character. You will be forced to soon, anyways.
Further, when they add more things like glasses/hats/hoodies/clothes/etc, i will bet good isk that they will let you update your portrait again.
Infact, i'm willing to bet that shortly after (if not with) incarna, our portraits will be updated dynamically.
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Mirabi Tiane
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:32:00 -
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1. Some people have silhouettes because they still can't complete character creation despite having capable ShaderModel 3.0 hardware.
2. There really needs to be an option to have the same portrait-loading functionality as before: click to load. One reason is usability: there are purposes of convenience and record-keeping that the old functionality served. Another reason is debugging and performance optimization: every little thing that can go wrong will go wrong for some people, and the more self-help tools they have the better. _____________________________ [Sebiestor tattoos and Intaki hair: NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER.] |
Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:32:00 -
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Hilarious.
Utterly friggin' hilarious.
It's just... no. There is nothing worth arguing about here. It is all absurdity.
I mean... really? Look, if loading a handful of 64x64 jpg images lags your system up, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. The exact same problem as those who were screwed over by the game requiring SSE2 or shader model 3 support.
In other words, it's a personal problem and lambasting CCP for not catering to your extreme edge case is nothing more than sill narcissism.
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Cairn Bolete
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity i will bet good isk that they will let you update your portrait again.
Put your money away, it's a certainty.
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet
And yes, there are technically "lots" of options, except I figure having 20 different versions of "biker jacket and t-shirt" to be 1 option, not 20. I figure 2 hair styles ("douchebag" and "dreads") to not be worth updating my portrait for, and that's what the thread is about. I consider tats and piercings to be 1 choice ("biker wannabe.") Not worth updating my portrait for. The thread is about preferring a silhouette over a bunch of stuff that has the exact same feel as anything else, and nobody's convinced me it's worth doing, or not procrastinating until the last possible second.
See, again with the complete and utter lack of imagination.
Does my character scream "biker wannabe" to you? If so, you may want to get your eyes checked.
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Mirabi Tiane
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 27/03/2011 19:47:16
Originally by: Teranul
It would not hurt CCP to restore the click-to-load functionality. It would not hurt the game. It would not hurt players. If you can provide a good explanation of how those three statements are not true, go ahead. _____________________________ [Sebiestor tattoos and Intaki hair: NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER.] |
ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet I blocked the portrait server on my computer, and am loving the silhouettes.
Waitaminit! You can do that? They actually have a separate portrait server addy?? PLEASE give it. I too am growing slightly weary of the "gritty" faces and mall rat photo booth funzies, not to speak of the cache photo file garbage heap after going to a market hub. Quote: Give us options on when we load and don't load portraits, and so many of us will be so much happier about them.
THIS. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul Hilarious.
Utterly friggin' hilarious.
It's just... no. There is nothing worth arguing about here. It is all absurdity.
I mean... really? Look, if loading a handful of 64x64 jpg images lags your system up, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. The exact same problem as those who were screwed over by the game requiring SSE2 or shader model 3 support.
In other words, it's a personal problem and lambasting CCP for not catering to your extreme edge case is nothing more than sill narcissism.
it does infact lag your system. I'm running a modern system, i can run Crysis 2 no problem. But, when a 500 man gang jumps through the gate, the game now sends 500 requests for images, downloads them, writes them to cache, and then loads them into video memory for display. It DOES cause lag and a huge, but temporary drop in framerate during situations like this.
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Mkah Mvet
WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
And yes, there are technically "lots" of options, except I figure having 20 different versions of "biker jacket and t-shirt" to be 1 option, not 20. I figure 2 hair styles ("douchebag" and "dreads") to not be worth updating my portrait for, and that's what the thread is about. I consider tats and piercings to be 1 choice ("biker wannabe.") Not worth updating my portrait for. The thread is about preferring a silhouette over a bunch of stuff that has the exact same feel as anything else, and nobody's convinced me it's worth doing, or not procrastinating until the last possible second.
See, again with the complete and utter lack of imagination.
Does my character scream "biker wannabe" to you? If so, you may want to get your eyes checked.
Nah, but your portrait looks like something I wouldn't wish on an NPC (bland, same as everyone else, no emotion or personality, etc.) Definitely not something I'd consider worth putting in the effort to make myself look like. And that's the thing... having redone all my alts, they look kinda like the old ones (and I was going by feel rather than by what they actually look like), except with worse lighting, less interesting hair, and clothes bought from k-mart. But the alts I don't really care about, so I can commit them to looking bland and just like everybody else. Completely customizable lighting would cover about 60% of blandness, a more forgiving art director on the team would cover the other 40%.
Title of the thread is why I prefer a silhouette. It's for the minority that go with silhouettes to tell CCP why. Yeah, a majority think their samey portrait is special and awesome, but I don't, and I would wager I'm not alone.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/03/2011 19:55:53
Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Originally by: Mkah Mvet I blocked the portrait server on my computer, and am loving the silhouettes.
Waitaminit! You can do that? They actually have a separate portrait server addy??PLEASE give it.
This is you: http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_32.jpg and http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_64.jpg and http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_256.jpg and http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_512.jpg.
Set image.eveonline.com as 127.0.0.1 in the hosts file and... WINNING !!!
Side-effect : no portraits on forums either.
Originally by: Mkah Mvet Yeah, a majority think their samey portrait is special and awesome, but I don't, and I would wager I'm not alone.
Hey, I'm content with how mine turned out to look like... eventually. Granted, it took a few good hours and I'm still not completely happy with it, but, meh.
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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Mkah Mvet
WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T meh.
lol, gotta love that ringing endorsement of the char creator.
Silhouettes Untie!
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:11:00 -
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OP is not helping the CCP forum whine index go down
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet
Originally by: Akita T meh.
lol, gotta love that ringing endorsement of the char creator.
Well, what can I say, I raged back in the day, I got over it. Plus, I like the server-side rendering thing, so, overall, for me, it was a slight plus.
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Set image.eveonline.com as 127.0.0.1 in the hosts file and... WINNING !!!
Side-effect : no portraits on forums either.
Doh! Should¦ve figured that one out myself.
When I find out how to eve-mail my tigerblood, you¦ll be the first one to get some. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.03.27 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Side-effect : no portraits on forums either.
Yours is pretty bad so no loss there
♫ When your ship gets blown to bits ♫ And you lose your Faction fits \☻/ Don't worry ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ Be Happy \☻/ |
Terminal Insanity
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.27 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 27/03/2011 21:51:37
Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 27/03/2011 19:55:53
Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Originally by: Mkah Mvet I blocked the portrait server on my computer, and am loving the silhouettes.
Waitaminit! You can do that? They actually have a separate portrait server addy??PLEASE give it.
This is you: http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_32.jpg and http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_64.jpg and http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_256.jpg and http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_512.jpg.
Set image.eveonline.com as 127.0.0.1 in the hosts file and... WINNING !!!
Side-effect : no portraits on forums either.
Originally by: Mkah Mvet Yeah, a majority think their samey portrait is special and awesome, but I don't, and I would wager I'm not alone.
Hey, I'm content with how mine turned out to look like... eventually. Granted, it took a few good hours and I'm still not completely happy with it, but, meh.
If this works... it is the best post of the day ^_^
I would prefer it though, if i could pre-load all of the avatars... or at least, pre-load all of the people who have active subscriptions or something
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.27 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/03/2011 22:12:22
Originally by: Terminal Insanity I would prefer it though, if i could pre-load all of the avatars... or at least, pre-load all of the people who have active subscriptions or something
You want to pre-load 600k++ character portraits ?
On second though, that's under 1 GB at 32x32... _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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