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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:16:00 -
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CCP could introduce a new mining ship to combat this shortage. I'd prefr to weld a Hulk to my Orca though.
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Anti Castro Pigeons
Minmatar Coup Coup Coup
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:30:00 -
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So basically:
- Bot all you like until that account gets banned twice
- sell the character
- kill the account
- make new account
GG CCP.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ya Rayah Panala Edited by: Ya Rayah Panala on 28/03/2011 18:01:20 Hi,
At the round tables, they said they were well aware of the botting problem associated with mining. BUT, on the other hand, and I see their point: if you remove them, we might have a mineral shortage. So they have hesitating on wheter removing them or not. We are on stand by for now.
Best regards. (Souverainiste)
I find this almost impossible to believe. I mean it's just dumb. CCP know that if there's a mineral shortage, the price will go up and people will break out their Hulks again, forcing the price down. It's how the economy works in all other areas of Eve, so why, specifically, are minerals such an issue?
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clixoras
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:32:00 -
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Interesting. Market botting was named as activity. First time i heard this actually confirmed.
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.03.29 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena And oddly, it does protect botters from hackers.
Not entirely. The TAN can also be relayed to the bot writer. If automatized, the bot writer has a good chance of logging in first and getting a time window to steal assets.
Also, using the keyfobs would hinder bot automatization, as they'd have to enter a TAN after each downtime.
Anyway, I welcome the introduction of keyfobs. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.03.29 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Aineko Macx Also, using the keyfobs would hinder bot automatization, as they'd have to enter a TAN after each downtime.
This additional form of authentication is completely optional; you must request that it be turned on for your account. It won't affect bots logging in since someone who is using a bot likely won't have that feature enabled.
I am not interested in the fob myself. I am far too prone to losing things and it would be a pain to lose the security token and not be able to log in until it was replaced.
- "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object |
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Anti Castro Pigeons
So basically:
- Bot all you like until that account gets banned twice
- sell the character
- kill the account
- make new account
GG CCP.
This, CCP in complete lack of backbone move non-shocker.
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Lubomir Penev
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena Edited by: Vincent Athena on 28/03/2011 19:04:54
Originally by: Furb Killer How is that token in any way related to botting though?
CCP Sreggs said (in his phishing blog) they have decompiled bot programs and found said many botting programs steal account info, and the bot writers can then hack accounts.
But not if they do not have your token.
Edit: CCP Sreegs presentation at FanFest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4gZm-85JOs
Linkyfied.
I for one liked the total lack of tackling the issue that the PLEX system, that ironically was created to fight RMT, was the biggest enabler for large scale botting. Kill plexes and GTC for ISK sales and suddenly bad people need to come up with a steady stream of valid credit cards. Either they are are really valid and easy to ban, or they are not and that make the RMTers/botters engage in RL crime which means they become targets for RL law agencies, which will then fight the good fight for us.
But this will never happen, as CCP wants his share of the RMT pie and somehow think it's OK for some people not to pay with RL money... To me if a game is worth playing its worth paying for, even the legitimate players using PLEX to play are often drawn to farming because of the pressure to get the ISKs, which is one of the thing that can draw them to botting... There are no macrominers in EVE |
Rhaegor Stormborn
H A V O C Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:38:00 -
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Absolutely nothing. Typical CCP meaningless words and vague promises.
Even ignoring the botting issue entirely, this years fanfest was the least impressive yet. Art, WiS, and other garbage. Not a word on what they are going to do to fix the sov system, when they would be doing moon mineral value rebalancing, or other space ship gameplay related issues which have plagued this game for two years now.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev ... Kill plexes and GTC for ISK sales...
people that buy PLEX cut extra accounts and/or leave demand for PLEX drops, prices drop people that sell PLEX turn to ISK sellers or leave revenue loss for CCP
perhaps you would prefer game with fewer players, but note that more active accounts = more profit = more development. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
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NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:04:00 -
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This is all good and good for macro miners, what about ratting bots and market bots?
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Lubomir Penev
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jagga Spikes
Originally by: Lubomir Penev ... Kill plexes and GTC for ISK sales...
people that buy PLEX cut extra accounts and/or leave demand for PLEX drops, prices drop people that sell PLEX turn to ISK sellers or leave revenue loss for CCP
perhaps you would prefer game with fewer players, but note that more active accounts = more profit = more development.
This game would be much better with no bots and less alts yes. Think of the players that are lost because they think nothing can be achieved without multi-accounting (whether this is true is another question) and leave because they can't compete with technetium funded alt's armies... There are no macrominers in EVE |
Cheapo Hobo
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:22:00 -
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It's safe to say by now that botting is all but eradicated and it's taking over a large part of nullsec as I'm writing this.
Whatever measures CCP means to use they better pull that hamster out of the water or it'll turn purple, if you know what I mean.
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Justice Starcatcher
Asguard Security Service
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ya Rayah Panala ...So they have hesitating on wheter removing them or not. We are on stand by for now.
Best regards. (Souverainiste)
8/10 Good trolling. What the... |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Caius Sivaris
Originally by: Anti Castro Pigeons
So basically:
- Bot all you like until that account gets banned twice
- sell the character
- kill the account
- make new account
GG CCP.
This, CCP in complete lack of backbone move non-shocker.
That assumes quite alot though. It's not like those kind of methods haven't been available all along, so I would be surprised if CCP doesn't have tools track that info to some extent. People's desire to save all their assets will propably provide a nice breadcrumb trail for CCP to track them to their alt accounts too. They also reserved the right to use tougher methods if the current ones don't work and the number of bans is propably tied to the owner and not actual accounts, so it's not like you can gain immunity from permaban by simple account switching.
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:40:00 -
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If they had those tools already RMT wouldn't be possible in EVE.
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Rita Zechs
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:47:00 -
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Botters are feeling some heat but does not look like too frightening to them...
Originally by: Botting forum
bob_smith *censored* 3+ Subscriber Join Date Sep 2010 Posts 362
they're bot detection cannot be that advanced, case in point, they ban 3 of my miners, they do not ban 4 of my miners, one of which runs on the same computer and has the same ip as the 3 that were banned. They are all in the same corp, a corp of only miners. sounds soooooo advanced [14 day ban btw]
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Ewok Le
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Posted - 2011.03.30 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys A digital keyfob that generates a unique code specific to your account. It acts as a second level of security and has been employed in places like the banking industry for years. WoW have also had a similar system in place for quite some time.
Here are some examples of a security "token"
Security Tokens
Sorry, but couldn't resist - http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/03/24/rsa_securid_news_blackout/ |
Eyeama Spy
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Posted - 2011.03.30 17:56:00 -
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Bots seem to be a security issue to ccp, a vid of the roundtable is avaliable at evenews site, and i did hear some talk about null sec sov.. Basicaly ccp feel hardware and software upgrades to allow bigger and bigger fights will always be outpaced by our ablility to build a bigger blob, so they looking at limiting how much space an alliance can hold. I heard 1 system a corp and 1 constelation an allinace. Reduced hp for sbu and tcu. No jump bridge networks, constelation capitals giving bonouses to lost 'hp', also gate guns and ability to charge transit fees to your buddys.Dont expect the sov changes soon, this is ccp so perhaps never is to be expected.
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Zirise
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.30 18:56:00 -
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Is CCP Sreggs Darius Johnson?
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PHoneix NOir
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:01:00 -
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In an effort to combat botting...
On December 25th, 2015 Tranquility became self aware...
There was nothing "Tranquil" about it...
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Mutnin
Amarr Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst If there's a mineral shortage, suddenly you have newer players able to make some isk by getting greater value out of it. You also have miners becoming fatter targets for the ore they're hauling.
It would be interesting enough to be worth seeing unfold.
Yea that is nice for the miners, on the other hand, like it or not, bots keep people in cheap ships.
If magically one day every bot in the game disappears, there is a profit increase to mining of course but also a drastic price increase for everything in the game.
I'm sure CCP is smart enough to figure out, that they just can't go banning every bot in the game at once, otherwise the entire economy would go to shambles. Bot didn't just suddenly show up, but they are here and are built into the game in a sense so they have to be removed a bit at a time.
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Mister Smithington
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:19:00 -
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Did anyone catch the questions to the panel at the end of CCP presents? There was a lady who asked if they had any changes planned for mining. She said she didn't want any changes because she mines afk.
Now, I don't mine, but I do know that every now and then you have to point your strip miners at a new rock or dump your cargo. I'm not going to point any fingers because I don't know the circumstance, and I know that some people's definition of AFK varies from what would truly be described as "Away From Keyboard."
It may have been my imagination, but some of the devs were looking kind of shifty to me. As if they were considering biting her head off, or at least bringing up the botting issue in some way. It was an awkward moment.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Pandadora Please do an iPhone / Android app too.
thoes are now known to have a secuity issue. however its not as bad as some people have made out. .end of line.
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Lubomir Penev
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Pandadora Please do an iPhone / Android app too.
The whole point of the token is being tamper resistant, something you don't get at all with a mobile app... There are no macrominers in EVE |
Honjura
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.31 05:24:00 -
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an apple hand help device can be hacked into in under 10 minutes, meaning it can be hacked and returned before anyone even knows it was gone, and then your are just compromising your security in another way
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