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Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 13:20:00 - [1] I'm looking for someone to join my team in the next month or two. We have a couple of needs. If you're interested, shoot me an EVE Mail. If you have questions, post them here. Looking for someone with one or more of the following skillsets: Forum management guru (as in a forum for EI), bug/issue tracking management, "help desk" style questioning and answering, a unique perspective on how to bring real accounting/finance to reporting, and anyone interested in analytics and statistical analysis. If you'd like to know about what the project is (it's a few things), I recommend you read one of the many threads about it. Public Review: Summary of EVE Insurance (updated - pricing) Proposal: FIFO accounting applied to automated profit valuation Something else I'm addressing in my project, may be of interest. Distributed Tellering - How to reduce transaction "costs" If you're new to the MD forums you may also want to read this: EBANK Resignation
Atima Minmatar House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.03.30 13:56:00 - [2] Edited by: Atima on 30/03/2011 14:03:15 Originally by: Hexxx Edited by: Hexxx on 30/03/2011 13:26:33 I'm looking for someone to join my team in the next month or two. We have a couple of needs. If you're interested, shoot me an EVE Mail. If you have questions, post them here. Looking for someone with one or more of the following skillsets: Forum management guru (as in a forum for EI), bug/issue tracking management, "help desk" style questioning and answering, a unique perspective on how to bring real accounting/finance to reporting, and anyone interested in analytics and statistical analysis. If you'd like to know about what the project is (it's a few things), I recommend you read one of the many threads about it. Public Review: Summary of EVE Insurance (updated - pricing) Proposal: FIFO accounting applied to automated profit valuation Something else I'm addressing in my project, may be of interest. Distributed Tellering - How to reduce transaction "costs" If you're new to the MD forums you may also want to read this: EBANK Resignation edit: wrong ebank resignation thread, fixed Hmn, I'm an accountant IRL so maybe can help with the financial reporting side... however from what I remember you work in big 4 doing audit? not 100% sure we did talk once about 4 years ago. Theres not really much I can bring but I'd be willing to help.
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro	Posted - 2011.03.30 14:00:00 - [3] If you don't mind some MD "lite-ultra" I'll happily do some helpdesk stuff. Not the most glamorous or intellectually challenging of roles but it is rather important for people.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 15:35:00 - [4] Originally by: Atima Hmn, I'm an accountant IRL so maybe can help with the financial reporting side... however from what I remember you work in big 4 doing audit? not 100% sure we did talk once about 4 years ago. Theres not really much I can bring but I'd be willing to help. I did work for a Big 4 (PwC) but I moved to a company in industry last January. I was within the Advisory group and focused on IT Controls so my strength is not formal accounting. Check out the thread on accounting that I linked to in the OP. Those are the kinds of problems I'm trying to work on.
flakeys The Great cornholio's	Posted - 2011.03.30 16:23:00 - [5] We be going for a new bankstyle there hexxx ?
Julius Rigel Sub-warp Racing Venture	Posted - 2011.03.30 16:24:00 - [6] I wish I was an MD elite. It would be an easier life style than insane avant-garde frigate pilot.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 16:49:00 - [7] Originally by: flakeys We be going for a new bankstyle there hexxx ? There's a few new things I'm going for. The threads I linked should explain it pretty well.
egola Amarr	Posted - 2011.03.30 17:11:00 - [8] Edited by: egola on 30/03/2011 17:11:43 Originally by: Julius Rigel I wish I was an MD elite. It would be an easier life style than insane avant-garde frigate pilot. no such thing as MD elite, its all an illusory perception. by the end of the day we're all still just avant-garde frigate pilots
Julius Rigel Sub-warp Racing Venture	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:01:00 - [9] Originally by: egola Edited by: egola on 30/03/2011 17:11:43 Originally by: Julius Rigel I wish I was an MD elite. It would be an easier life style than insane avant-garde frigate pilot. no such thing as MD elite, its all an illusory perception. by the end of the day we're all still just avant-garde frigate pilots If that is true, why in the world am I having so much trouble finding participants and staff for my events? Am I paying too little? Are my avant-garde philosophies simply too far in front? Am I driving my regiment into the proverbial enemy with no artillery support?
Manalapan Dynasty Banking General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:05:00 - [10] Pick Me!!!! Seriously though I wouldn't mind getting involved. My advise though if you even consider it drop me in somewhere I have no access to ISK or to altering of a database otherwise it would be bad for face. ------ Support Manalapan for CSM! Fixing EVE The Player That Makes EVE Stronger Manalapan Campaign

Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: egola Edited by: egola on 30/03/2011 17:11:43 Originally by: Julius Rigel I wish I was an MD elite. It would be an easier life style than insane avant-garde frigate pilot. no such thing as MD elite, its all an illusory perception. by the end of the day we're all still just avant-garde frigate pilots If that is true, why in the world am I having so much trouble finding participants and staff for my events? Am I paying too little? Are my avant-garde philosophies simply too far in front? Am I driving my regiment into the proverbial enemy with no artillery support? What you are doing wrong is that first you have to do some thing to become known (in game if possible) THEN you start bold big projects involving human resources, racers, personnel etc. You first have to gain the momentum to attract others to your projects. Just posting a document won't do. Auditing \| Research \| 3rd Party \| Collateral Holding \| EvE RL Charity
Julius Rigel Sub-warp Racing Venture	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: egola Edited by: egola on 30/03/2011 17:11:43 Originally by: Julius Rigel I wish I was an MD elite. It would be an easier life style than insane avant-garde frigate pilot. no such thing as MD elite, its all an illusory perception. by the end of the day we're all still just avant-garde frigate pilots If that is true, why in the world am I having so much trouble finding participants and staff for my events? Am I paying too little? Are my avant-garde philosophies simply too far in front? Am I driving my regiment into the proverbial enemy with no artillery support? What you are doing wrong is that first you have to do some thing to become known (in game if possible) THEN you start bold big projects involving human resources, racers, personnel etc. You first have to gain the momentum to attract others to your projects. Just posting a document won't do. But I haven't posted any documents! Damnit, I knew those idiots at the ISD:IC were going to ruin my projects by writing about them! So how do I undo the damage? Scale up the project? Make a big flaming ISK fountain come out my... afterburner?
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: egola Edited by: egola on 30/03/2011 17:11:43 Originally by: Julius Rigel I wish I was an MD elite. It would be an easier life style than insane avant-garde frigate pilot. no such thing as MD elite, its all an illusory perception. by the end of the day we're all still just avant-garde frigate pilots If that is true, why in the world am I having so much trouble finding participants and staff for my events? Am I paying too little? Are my avant-garde philosophies simply too far in front? Am I driving my regiment into the proverbial enemy with no artillery support? What you are doing wrong is that first you have to do some thing to become known (in game if possible) THEN you start bold big projects involving human resources, racers, personnel etc. You first have to gain the momentum to attract others to your projects. Just posting a document won't do. Put simply -- often, but not always, you need to prove yourself before you can attempt something fairly large in scope. You may wish to build on other efforts first or...simply go ahead and do it the best way you can. Perhaps your first attempt doesn't meet your expectations, but if you do the best you can then the second try may land closer to the mark. Kind of like how I make Banks in EVE.
Julius Rigel Sub-warp Racing Venture	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Hexxx Put simply -- often, but not always, you need to prove yourself before you can attempt something fairly large in scope. You may wish to build on other efforts first or...simply go ahead and do it the best way you can. Perhaps your first attempt doesn't meet your expectations, but if you do the best you can then the second try may land closer to the mark. Kind of like how I make Banks in EVE. But I've been doing it for three years.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Julius Rigel Originally by: Hexxx Put simply -- often, but not always, you need to prove yourself before you can attempt something fairly large in scope. You may wish to build on other efforts first or...simply go ahead and do it the best way you can. Perhaps your first attempt doesn't meet your expectations, but if you do the best you can then the second try may land closer to the mark. Kind of like how I make Banks in EVE. But I've been doing it for three years. Fourth time's a charm? Not sure really...maybe you need to network more with higher visibility people? A little celebrity involvement may do you some good.
Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:30:00 - [16] I've participated in Rigel's racing league, it's delightful and tougher than I'd initially anticipated. As far as the OP - out of curiosity, are you planning on paying these positions or are they volunteer?
Julius Rigel Sub-warp Racing Venture	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:43:00 - [17] Oh, by the way, sorry for hijacking your thread. I would be interested in helping out if there's anything I could do.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane I've participated in Rigel's racing league, it's delightful and tougher than I'd initially anticipated. As far as the OP - out of curiosity, are you planning on paying these positions or are they volunteer? I would like to pay these positions, but that pay is contingent on the business model succeeding. If it doesn't succeed, people don't get paid. We'll exit the beta period in about 60 to 90 days, at which point we can make a call on if and how much people will get paid. EBANK volunteers (including myself) went unpaid for a full year before we recognized enough profits to pay anyone anything, and even then it was a pittance. If money is your primary motivation then this may not be the opportunity for you.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:48:00 - [19] Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 30/03/2011 20:48:38 Hexxx, is there a link to the thread where you apologised for your role in Ebank, took on your share of responsibility and drew the appropriate lessons vis-a-vis - hubris?
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Liberty Eternal Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 30/03/2011 20:48:38 Hexxx, is there a link to the thread where you apologised for your role in Ebank, took on your share of responsibility and drew the appropriate lessons vis-a-vis - hubris? Yeah, it's the fourth link in the OP. Don't be lazy. EBANK Resignation

Dethmourne Silvermane Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.30 21:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane I've participated in Rigel's racing league, it's delightful and tougher than I'd initially anticipated. As far as the OP - out of curiosity, are you planning on paying these positions or are they volunteer? I would like to pay these positions, but that pay is contingent on the business model succeeding. If it doesn't succeed, people don't get paid. We'll exit the beta period in about 60 to 90 days, at which point we can make a call on if and how much people will get paid. EBANK volunteers (including myself) went unpaid for a full year before we recognized enough profits to pay anyone anything, and even then it was a pittance. If money is your primary motivation then this may not be the opportunity for you. Fair enough. I've got enough on my plate for the next month so I wasn't really intersted in a position atm regardless. I'll probably help out with actioning withdrawals via your teller system, though, as I frequently find myself in gatecamps.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.03.30 21:13:00 - [22] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Liberty Eternal Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 30/03/2011 20:48:38 Hexxx, is there a link to the thread where you apologised for your role in Ebank, took on your share of responsibility and drew the appropriate lessons vis-a-vis - hubris? Yeah, it's the fourth link in the OP. Don't be lazy. EBANK Resignation Hmm... I think you're an intelligent individual, but I don't think that you are as aware of the limits of your abilities as you should be. Have you demonstrated real acceptance or understanding of your mistakes and the impact they had on others? Without this awareness of your limits, you are destined to keep repeating the same mistakes again and again. This makes you unsuitable for public responsibilities in my opinion - particularly running another bank, it really seems like hubris.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 21:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Manalapan Pick Me!!!! Seriously though I wouldn't mind getting involved. My advise though if you even consider it drop me in somewhere I have no access to ISK or to altering of a database otherwise it would be bad for face. No.
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro	Posted - 2011.03.30 21:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Lauren Hellfury If you don't mind some MD "lite-ultra" I'll happily do some helpdesk stuff. Not the most glamorous or intellectually challenging of roles but it is rather important for people. The above was a serious offer. I assume that the helpdesk is basically a cross between dealing with customer service and being a bit of a receptionist. My coverage may be a little limited due to not having any internet access whilst at work but I am usually around for 3-5 hours every evening (game time). Nice friendly face, good communication skills as well as an above average grasp of the language. What's not to love?
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:17:00 - [25] I feel I should comment on this thread for a simple reason. I am involved with the Project Hexxx is talking about. My involvement in the project has been since day one. However, don't be turned off because the abrasive guy on the forum is involved. A lot of the theory and considerations which revolve around EVE is my deepest involvement. As it gets closer to beta and full release both Hexxx would like another pair of eyes and a fresh mind, involvement to make sure we didn't group think ideas and concepts. I fully agree with this, years in the making and only two mind working together on a single project there are bound to be some collective agreements on things that might not be the best choice. If you join the team feel free to look scrutinize all aspects of this project. Opinions about processes, ideas, and general critiquing will be meet with an open mind. It also will not be the pages and pages of threads and posts previous projects Hexxx and I worked with. In other words, how I appear on this forum doesn't happen in a project Hexxx and I have been working on for years. But I did want to make an appearance in this thread to let people know that the project does involve myself. I know I might be coming off a little self absorbed here, and that's not the intension, I didn't want people to feel duped with working with someone they might utterly despise. Amarr for Life
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:23:00 - [26] Originally by: SencneS I feel I should comment on this thread for a simple reason. I am involved with the Project Hexxx is talking about. My involvement in the project has been since day one. However, don't be turned off because the abrasive guy on the forum is involved. A lot of the theory and considerations which revolve around EVE is my deepest involvement. As it gets closer to beta and full release both Hexxx would like another pair of eyes and a fresh mind, involvement to make sure we didn't group think ideas and concepts. I fully agree with this, years in the making and only two mind working together on a single project there are bound to be some collective agreements on things that might not be the best choice. If you join the team feel free to look scrutinize all aspects of this project. Opinions about processes, ideas, and general critiquing will be meet with an open mind. It also will not be the pages and pages of threads and posts previous projects Hexxx and I worked with. In other words, how I appear on this forum doesn't happen in a project Hexxx and I have been working on for years. But I did want to make an appearance in this thread to let people know that the project does involve myself. I know I might be coming off a little self absorbed here, and that's not the intension, I didn't want people to feel duped with working with someone they might utterly despise. People should note that Sencnes and I have indeed been talking about and working on this project for over two years. As I said in the original business proposal that I linked in the OP, it's a partnership of Sencnes and I so we both have to agree on new additions to the team. We also have two other people already helping us (one with accounting/reporting advice and the other with some of the graphics) but recently we came to the conclusion that a few more helping hands would do us good.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:29:00 - [27] Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 30/03/2011 22:29:39 Jean-Luc says facepalm . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . ,.-fv. . . . . . . . . .``~., . . . . . . . .. . . . . .,.-v. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .t-., . . . . .. . . . . . ..,/. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . v:, . . . . . . . .. .,?. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\, . . . . . . . . . /. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,} . . . . . . . . ./. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:`^`.} . . . . . . . ./. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:v. . . ./ . . . . . . .?. . . __. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . :`. . . ./ . . . . . . . /__.(. . .t~-,_. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ,:`. . . .. ./ . . . . . . /(_. . v~,_. . . ..t~,_. . . . . . . . . .,:`. . . . _/ . . . .. .{.._$;_. . .v=,_. . . .t-,_. . . ,.-~-,}, .~v; /. .. .} . . .. . .((. . .~_. . . .v=-._. . .t;,,./`. . /v . . . ./. .. ../ . . . .. . .\`~,. . ..t~.,. . . . . . . . . ..`. . .}. . . . . . ../ . . . . . .(. ..`=-,,. . . .`. . . . . . . . . . . ..(. . . ;_,,-v . . . . . ../.`~,. . ..`-.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..\. . /\ . . . . . . \`~.-,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..\|,./.....\,__ ,,_. . . . . }.>-._\. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\|. . . . . . ..`=~-, . .. `=~-,_\_. . . `\,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\ . . . . . . . . . .`=~-,,.\,. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .\ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . `:,, . . . . . . . . . . . . . `\. . . . . . ..__ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .`=-,. . . . . . . . . .,%`>--==`` . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . _\. . . . . ._,-%. . . ..`
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Lauren Hellfury Originally by: Lauren Hellfury If you don't mind some MD "lite-ultra" I'll happily do some helpdesk stuff. Not the most glamorous or intellectually challenging of roles but it is rather important for people. The above was a serious offer. I assume that the helpdesk is basically a cross between dealing with customer service and being a bit of a receptionist. My coverage may be a little limited due to not having any internet access whilst at work but I am usually around for 3-5 hours every evening (game time). Nice friendly face, good communication skills as well as an above average grasp of the language. What's not to love? We'll consider it, Sencnes and I need to talk about who's interested and start picking people. We'll EVE mail you in the next few days one way or another.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:39:00 - [29] Originally by: Liberty Eternal Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Liberty Eternal Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 30/03/2011 20:48:38 Hexxx, is there a link to the thread where you apologised for your role in Ebank, took on your share of responsibility and drew the appropriate lessons vis-a-vis - hubris? Yeah, it's the fourth link in the OP. Don't be lazy. EBANK Resignation Hmm... I think you're an intelligent individual, but I don't think that you are as aware of the limits of your abilities as you should be. Have you demonstrated real acceptance or understanding of your mistakes and the impact they had on others? Without this awareness of your limits, you are destined to keep repeating the same mistakes again and again. This makes you unsuitable for public responsibilities in my opinion - particularly running another bank, it really seems like hubris. Fair enough. I can talk to you about it in-game...I tried to address the mistakes, criticisms and what I would have done differently in the resignation thread but I'm not sure that it's clearly summarized what I'm doing to address the shortcomings of the previous design/model/business. I do intend to address this more throughly with examples and an outline of every single posting activity and which sub-ledger that financial activity posts to. I will maintain real-time financial statements and release them on a monthly basis. Every 0.01 Isk will be accounted for. I can show you what I have so far if you'd like. As to the impact of my mistakes...I have not forgotten and I do intend to make good use of the shares EBANK has distributed assuming this is a profitable project. I sacrificed all of my ISK on my character and in my EBANK account when I resigned. I even stepped back from the daily MD discussions for almost half a year. And yes, I maintain a willful ignorance of the limits of my abilities. I believe I can do anything given enough time...I intend to prove that with this project.
Syds Sinclair	Posted - 2011.03.31 00:11:00 - [30] ..I'm cool with my funds being locked down for years and then pushed on someone else and then having to provide my api full login details and mothers maiden name to even consider being chosen as one of the lucky few who get a small % of my initial deposit back. And I'm cool with you guys using my hard earned ISK as a metric for your roleplaying. I know that as an investor I am lower then scum and that because you have my funds you are an omnipotent MD elite. I welcome any task that let's you live out your Internet spaceship financial guru status. That being said, I have 17 million, can I help?



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