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Marion Vane
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:14:00 -
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hi everybody.
eve community helping countries like Haiti, Japan... ect because they got disaster, they need help. thats cool. thats nice. thats kind.
but there is a really big problem in the middle of the planet (earth). Africa... they need food.
i dont think i miss one plex donation session for them. did i?
so please help me to understand donation mechanism specs and requirements.
sorry for gramma.
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Joe Phoenix
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:19:00 -
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You are completely right, however people are being helped, so i can't really complain.
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Chesty McJubblies on 31/03/2011 19:25:14 Wouldn't the middle of the planet be the Earth's core? And aren't they all dead down there, due to insane pressure, and temperature?
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature?
quoted for irony
As for PLEX for Africa, there are lots of political and social issues that make donations to Africa problematic. Something like 5%-10% of worldwide donations to Africa actually make it to benefit the people. There are very specific groups that are effective at bypassing the government corruption, but in general it's very very hard to make donations to Africa actually matter, and I would guess CCP isn't qualified to identify them. If you want to donate to Africa, go ahead, but having CCP organize it would probably end up being a big waste.
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Cairn Bolete
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature?
quoted for irony
It's a tautology, not irony.
Quoting for real irony.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature?
quoted for irony
As for PLEX for Africa, there are lots of political and social issues that make donations to Africa problematic. Something like 5%-10% of worldwide donations to Africa actually make it to benefit the people. There are very specific groups that are effective at bypassing the government corruption, but in general it's very very hard to make donations to Africa actually matter, and I would guess CCP isn't qualified to identify them. If you want to donate to Africa, go ahead, but having CCP organize it would probably end up being a big waste.
This. Donating to Africe unfortunately is likely not to help those who need it. Unless you go with the food and bring an army with high powered machine guns and tanks.
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Marion Vane
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Marion Vane on 31/03/2011 19:39:15
Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature?
quoted for irony
As for PLEX for Africa, there are lots of political and social issues that make donations to Africa problematic. Something like 5%-10% of worldwide donations to Africa actually make it to benefit the people. There are very specific groups that are effective at bypassing the government corruption, but in general it's very very hard to make donations to Africa actually matter, and I would guess CCP isn't qualified to identify them. If you want to donate to Africa, go ahead, but having CCP organize it would probably end up being a big waste.
didnt know that.
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature?
quoted for irony
Not exactly ironic. More like a mistake, hence it was edited 4 minutes before you posted.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:47:00 -
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Afria is always starving
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:48:00 -
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No Africa shouldn't actually need any food aid. Africa is extremely rich in resources and more than capable of feeding everyone living there and more, but many of them just get poorer every year because they refuse to get their own **** together.
Africa needs a revolution or two to get some good leaders in charge of the place. They are ruled by greedy leaders who don't care about their own people and would rather let them die in a famine than spend a portion of their wealth caring for them or developing their countries.
I'm not saying we shouldn't help feed the people that are starving now, but until africans themselves get tired of being abused nothing is going to change there. If you're going to donate to Africa, donate to some development project, preferably an agricultural one, in an african country that isn't oppressing it's people and actually tries to turn itself in to a developed country with strong and transparent institutions that can support themselves and won't screw over their citizens. That way you might actually contribute something to improving things on the long run and stop the same thing from happening again in a few years.
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Insert Your Name
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 Afria is always starving
As Sam once said, they need to move to where the food is.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Marion Vane
Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature?
quoted for irony
As for PLEX for Africa, there are lots of political and social issues that make donations to Africa problematic. Something like 5%-10% of worldwide donations to Africa actually make it to benefit the people. There are very specific groups that are effective at bypassing the government corruption, but in general it's very very hard to make donations to Africa actually matter, and I would guess CCP isn't qualified to identify them. If you want to donate to Africa, go ahead, but having CCP organize it would probably end up being a big waste.
didnt know that.
so what is the best way to donating them?
From my own research on the topic a favorite would be micro-lending. I had a lead on an organization that I found particularly appealing, but I'm having a hard time finding it now. I'd also consider Unicef (sp?) as their particular focus is on helping children and their mothers, and have a lot of field time focusing on women's health (though I personally don't know of their track record in Africa in particular.) Like I said though, making sure donations in Africa get to their intended recipients is extremely sticky. Mostly it ends up funding the mansions and guns for bureaucrats.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue No Africa shouldn't actually need any food aid. Africa is extremely rich in resources and more than capable of feeding everyone living there and more, but many of them just get poorer every year because they refuse to get their own **** together.
Africa needs a revolution or two to get some good leaders in charge of the place. They are ruled by greedy leaders who don't care about their own people and would rather let them die in a famine than spend a portion of their wealth caring for them or developing their countries.
I'm not saying we shouldn't help feed the people that are starving now, but until africans themselves get tired of being abused nothing is going to change there. If you're going to donate to Africa, donate to some development project, preferably an agricultural one, in an african country that isn't oppressing it's people and actually tries to turn itself in to a developed country with strong and transparent institutions that can support themselves and won't screw over their citizens. That way you might actually contribute something to improving things on the long run and stop the same thing from happening again in a few years.
Even this attitude is highly problematic. Culture in Africa is put together in a way where attempting to Westernize the whole continent will not work. Attempts at Westernization is the source of a lot of their problems. European cultures go from a top down mentality where there's a government (or historically a king) that is responsible to the people. African cultures go from the ground up with people working together for the tribe and bugger anything outside it. Trying to enforce a top down government is a big part of the problem to begin with. The most successful charities will encourage the growth of the foundation, yes, but including government in the picture at all is a problem.
But now we're getting away from the topic of EVE, and how a this complex issue can't be helped by throwing money at it.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.31 20:04:00 -
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There's a difference between donating to a disaster in one country and trying to donate to a humanitarian crisis across an entire continent...Africa isn't a country if you hadn't noticed. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Hakkar'al Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.31 20:26:00 -
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Having lived in East Africa and been off-and-on there since 2002 I know that you are definately wrong. "Africa" do not need food.
Poor people in some countries in Africa needs food - which is a gigantic difference. Example: what "africa" are you talking about? Marocko? Egypt? (guess not) South Africa (possibly, doubt it) Tanzania? (You do know where that is right?) Tchad, Sudan? (Quite possibly)
Human disaster areas need supplies gotten in, unfortunately these are the least likely areas to allow transport. CCP isn't in a position to supply anyone anything to those who severly need it in those areas without local war maniacs securing it for themselves.
My beloved Tanzania (S of Kenya on the east coast) is actually on the rise finally, after quite some liberal market reform.
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ReconSira
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Posted - 2011.03.31 20:40:00 -
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I'll be happy to feed Africa. Except for the wealthy Nigerian princes and princesses (lots of them) who keep calling and emailing me promising millions if I send a few thousand. Except for the Somolian pirates who keep pirating innocents off their coast. Except for the South African blacks who now have power and are killing innocent whites, stealing, and destroying a once beautiful and wealthy nation. Except for the Northern African terrorists who support violent Muslim extremists. Except for the, well screw Africa.
Sincerely those who realize any money sent to Africa is a waste (Haitti was a mistake too). Send it to Japan where it will do some good and help a civilized and contributing society.
Thanks.
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.03.31 20:49:00 -
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Guys, PLEX for good is PR, keep that in mind.
CCP isn't in the philanthropy business, they're in the games business. PLEX for good only comes around when big events (tsunamis/earthquakes) because that's when the money can make maximum news impact.
I'm not vilifying CCP, on the contrary I think these PR drives are great for the popularity of the game and the health of the impacted people, but don't expect PLEX for Africa any time soon (unless there's an earthquake or tsunami).
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:06:00 -
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Yeah, us Africans are ****ing starving, feed us ffs.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: baltec1 Afria is always starving
While hundreds of tons of food is thrown out each year and farmers are paid not to grow crops, just to keep prices high.
If there was money to be made in feeding Africa it would be done, but since there isn't, forced scarcity to make more money is the game.
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Darteis Elosia
Gallente PHOENIX 2ND C.A.G. DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:37:00 -
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People starving not beeing able to party like it's 1799... Old news, not generating headlines, few people care about it so PR from Plex for Africa would be low yielding.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: baltec1 Afria is always starving
While hundreds of tons of food is thrown out each year and farmers are paid not to grow crops, just to keep prices high.
If there was money to be made in feeding Africa it would be done, but since there isn't, forced scarcity to make more money is the game.
It isnt that simple. If they are actually large scale starving we can indeed give food, and that happens. But what happens if we just give food to a poor country? You make that farmer go broke and also depend on our food donations: they will then completely depend on our help, not really a healthy position for both them and us. Same for donating cloths to Africa, nice, except for their local tailor who just went bankrupt.
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DmitryEKT
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.03.31 21:45:00 -
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PLEX for Good only works because people respond to a visible disaster. If it was a year-round program it wouldn't have nearly so much momentum and would get a much smaller total donations. Unfortunate that it can't reach everyone but it's best that it's done this way.
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GodsVervloek
Definitive Exploration and Excavations
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Posted - 2011.03.31 22:08:00 -
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Africa needs to get rid of its tribe mentality, otherwise it will never reach its full potential.
Sending food or money is an absolute waste of time, it will never reach the people that need it. Africa is controlled by corrupt goverments, even South Africa which are the richest country in Africa is rotten all the way to presedential level.
Besides, you send them food and they live one day longer, and the next day you have to send food again, it never ends. You're giving them false hope, stop prolonging their misery, stop sending aid ... a very horrible thing to say, but reality is what it is. |
Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.31 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 31/03/2011 22:52:30
Originally by: Furb Killer If they are actually large scale starving we can indeed give food, and that happens. But what happens if we just give food to a poor country? You make that farmer go broke and also depend on our food donations: they will then completely depend on our help, not really a healthy position for both them and us. Same for donating cloths to Africa, nice, except for their local tailor who just went bankrupt.
There's always large scale starving going on in some areas, but to most people it's only real when it's on their TV, and when the pledge drive is over they believe it's fixed somehow.
And the people i'm talking about feeding have no money to pay farmers in the first place, so you're not going to be putting any farmers out of business, and i'm not sure why those farmers would depend on food donations as a result like you imagine. As for clothing, unless there's a bizarre cold snap it's not important. What we're talking about is just keeping people alive, with food we throw away. Money isn't the most important thing.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.31 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: GodsVervloek Africa needs to get rid of its tribe mentality, otherwise it will never reach its full potential.
Sending food or money is an absolute waste of time, it will never reach the people that need it. Africa is controlled by corrupt goverments, even South Africa which are the richest country in Africa is rotten all the way to presedential level.
Besides, you send them food and they live one day longer, and the next day you have to send food again, it never ends. You're giving them false hope, stop prolonging their misery, stop sending aid ... a very horrible thing to say, but reality is what it is.
There's so much ignorance on so many levels with this post. Maybe when you get a little older you'll understand somethings. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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ATARI BABY
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.03.31 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran What we're talking about is just keeping people alive, with food we throw away.
+1
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Hakkar'al Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.01 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
There's so much ignorance on so many levels with this post. Maybe when you get a little older you'll understand somethings.
This ... somewhat. Granted, aid on a state level tends to feed corruption (!), as does government funding. But modern aid is *not* about sending food, clothes and other stuff to Africa (I've seen first hand broken Amstrad WPCs sent as aid to a school without electricity in NW Tanzania) but "grass root" help directly to people in local communities.
Peoples ideas of aid is pathetically uninformed.
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.04.01 05:18:00 -
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Edited by: Awesome Possum on 01/04/2011 05:20:16
Originally by: Marion Vane Edited by: Marion Vane on 31/03/2011 19:53:35
Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Chesty McJubblies insane heat, and temperature?
quoted for irony
As for PLEX for Africa, there are lots of political and social issues that make donations to Africa problematic. Something like 5%-10% of worldwide donations to Africa actually make it to benefit the people. There are very specific groups that are effective at bypassing the government corruption, but in general it's very very hard to make donations to Africa actually matter, and I would guess CCP isn't qualified to identify them. If you want to donate to Africa, go ahead, but having CCP organize it would probably end up being a big waste.
didnt know that.
so what is the best way to donating them?
That's easy. Every nation withholds all donations until Africa starves to the point that the people violently remove all corrupt officials. Then we send in militaries to make sure that 1) food/aid is actually distributed to the ones that need it 2) summary executions of any individuals in any power that even smell corrupt 3) i want to rule somalia.
Quote: Peoples ideas of aid is pathetically uninformed.
not everyone has the time or money to fly to africa and build crappy tin sheet homes or teach pot belly kids the importance of brushing their teeth. ♥
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Sharon Anne
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.01 05:29:00 -
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Africa doesn't need aid, Africa needs trade. Buying African goods will do more good than donating to aid groups.
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St Mio
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.01 05:41:00 -
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I live in South Africa (NORLY), please send me ISK so I can buy PLEX and thus afford pizza for lunch today, thank you.
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