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yayay
Caldari Fnord Works Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.04.03 21:48:00 -
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what if no one likes the game or there are better alternatives at the time of release and after?
i wonder if CCP has any backup plans or with what number of active DUST players they are doing their calculations on stuff that has to do with the EVE/DUST combo feature.
in my opinion DUST should be a PC game to be available to eve players who actually give a **** about what the fight is about.
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Xercodo
Amarr Daj'Juntar
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Posted - 2011.04.03 21:53:00 -
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One of the first things that said about DUST was that if one game dies then the other won't suffer
-------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie
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BlackSparrowHawk
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Posted - 2011.04.03 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: BlackSparrowHawk on 03/04/2011 22:05:37 Ultimately CCP have set their eyes on consoles for Dust, so we'll just have to accept it. The way i see it is, sure the console gamers don't know what they're fighting for...but they don't have to. They just care about being paid and rewarded (by us EvE players), which they'll most likely be able to use on upgrades ingame (Dust) to be a better mercenary/player. End of the day thats ALL what console FPS is... a competitive genre. No doubt that will appeal to console gamers. Though it does depend on if CCP can execute the game well.
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Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.03 22:10:00 -
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The game isn't finished and already we have clueless doomsayers on the forum. Gotta love how Internet spawn the most ******ed people you can think of. Stop being such an ignorant and wait for it to be released before you throw your doom and gloom over it.
Pathetic.
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BlackSparrowHawk
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Posted - 2011.04.03 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aderata Nonkin The game isn't finished and already we have clueless doomsayers on the forum. Gotta love how Internet spawn the most ******ed people you can think of. Stop being such an ignorant and wait for it to be released before you throw your doom and gloom over it.
Pathetic.
No one is saying i Dust will fail. OP is just inquiring IF it doesn't do so well will there be any implications on it affecting eve (possibly mostly in the PI department.
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Roxana Yay
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Posted - 2011.04.03 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Roxana Yay on 03/04/2011 22:22:49
Originally by: Aderata Nonkin The game isn't finished and already we have clueless doomsayers on the forum. Gotta love how Internet spawn the most ******ed people you can think of. Stop being such an ignorant and wait for it to be released before you throw your doom and gloom over it.
Pathetic.
i have to agree with you on the internet spawning thingy...
/edit this is yayay
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Kitty Cantblock
Caldari Evil Monkey Asylum SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.03 22:35:00 -
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You want the blunt truth of it and any of you can contest this if u want.
EvE is dieing, less and less people bother logging in, eventual they stop paying for there accounts. There is no wayu to *fix* eve without completley redoing EvE. CCP know this. As a gaming company they have now set there sights on making console games, signing contracts that guarentee them income.
Whether or not the EvE player of today wants to admit the truth to themselves. Is irrelevant. EvE is dieing and in 10 years EvE wont be here. But DUST and the rest off ccp's console games after that will
Its the sad truth of it, no matter how hard you protest
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BlackSparrowHawk
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Posted - 2011.04.03 22:43:00 -
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@Aderata Nonkin, Now THIS is doom and gloom and everything you mentioned in your post. A clear contrast between OP and this example of troll
Originally by: Kitty Cantblock You want the blunt truth of it and any of you can contest this if u want.
EvE is dieing, less and less people bother logging in, eventual they stop paying for there accounts. There is no wayu to *fix* eve without completley redoing EvE. CCP know this. As a gaming company they have now set there sights on making console games, signing contracts that guarentee them income.
Whether or not the EvE player of today wants to admit the truth to themselves. Is irrelevant. EvE is dieing and in 10 years EvE wont be here. But DUST and the rest off ccp's console games after that will
Its the sad truth of it, no matter how hard you protest
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.04.03 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Aderata Nonkin The game isn't finished and already we have clueless doomsayers on the forum. Gotta love how Internet spawn the most ******ed people you can think of. Stop being such an ignorant and wait for it to be released before you throw your doom and gloom over it.
Pathetic.
Naysayers can be rationalized against. But I really hate idiots like you. The ignorant clods who glaze over and refuse to employ critical thinking, instead reserving it until it's too late for them to have any sort of impact at all.
thankfully (and hopefully) not everyone is as dense as you and there are reasons why SiSi exists and players hypothesize and criticize future features before - !!*gasp*!! - they even exist.
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Simeon Tor
Picon Fleet New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.04.03 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Simeon Tor on 03/04/2011 23:04:23 Edited by: Simeon Tor on 03/04/2011 23:04:14
Originally by: yayay what if no one likes the game or there are better alternatives at the time of release and after?
I seriously doubt someone is going to develop another single world space based MMO and develop a console FPS that ties into the first game before Dust is finished.
Unless it goes the way of Duke Nukem Forever and S.T.A.L.K.ER. and takes 10 years of development.
Originally by: Nypheas Azurai thankfully (and hopefully) not everyone is as dense as you and there are reasons why SiSi exists and players hypothesize and criticize future features before - !!*gasp*!! - they even exist.
That doesn't really apply, by the time anything gets to the test server it does already exist. Only very rarely do features not make it to tranquillity.
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2011.04.03 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aderata Nonkin The game isn't finished and already we have clueless doomsayers on the forum. Gotta love how Internet spawn the most ******ed people you can think of. Stop being such an ignorant and wait for it to be released before you throw your doom and gloom over it.
Pathetic.
You sound like a child making this statement. So, I have made a simple game for you. It's called "spot the difference" - you may know it.
Computer MMOs: Long shelf life, constant development, hardware and game updates, loyal fanbase Console FPS: Shorter shelf life, single development, fixed hardware, trend-shifting fanbase
I'm offering you cookies in return for differences. Bonus cookies for spotting problems arising from the differences.
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Aunty Nora
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Posted - 2011.04.03 23:09:00 -
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Its not a question of if, its when. The only people going to stick with it will be people associated with eve and thats it. I cant see the random gaming public liking just another futuristic fps game any more than the rest, they may play it for a while but they will move on pretty quickly i think.
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Fredfredbug4
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.03 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty Cantblock You want the blunt truth of it and any of you can contest this if u want.
EvE is dieing, less and less people bother logging in, eventual they stop paying for there accounts. There is no wayu to *fix* eve without completley redoing EvE. CCP know this. As a gaming company they have now set there sights on making console games, signing contracts that guarentee them income.
Whether or not the EvE player of today wants to admit the truth to themselves. Is irrelevant. EvE is dieing and in 10 years EvE wont be here. But DUST and the rest off ccp's console games after that will
Its the sad truth of it, no matter how hard you protest
EVE has never had a year in which it lost more players than it gained. Even today that is the case. One of my alts is in an NPC corp and there are plenty of new players coming into the game.
EVE may be dieing for you, but it still appeals to thousands of people.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.04 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: Steve Thomas on 04/04/2011 00:16:32 What if T2 lotto fails
What if player owned conqureable stations/starbases fails
What If Complexes fail
What if Destroyers, Battlecruisers, Faction ships and Mining barges fail!
What if Freighers and Dreadnaughs fail!
What if Convoys Fail
What if Figherers and Cariers and Titans Fail!
what If Salvaging and Rigs and Boosters Fail!
What if Invention fails!
What if Faction Warfair failes!
What if Alchemy and the Orca Fail!
What If Wormholespace and T3 Fail!
What if Epic Arcs fail!
What if PI Failes!
What if Improved PI Fails!
What if Incursions Fail!
Eve somehow keeps puttering on despite the actual failures. Worst case if Dust fails is that the people doing Pi will have one less hastle to deal with. So YAY!WIN! on that one.
and even if it does fail, they can use the lesson from that failure eto make new stuff later (T2 lotto gave way to Invention and invention was expanded-modified to make T3,
Faction warfares failure lead to a plan change that resulted in the current Sov system. (some of which failed to be honest and some of which more or less succeeded)
PIs failure lead to the current PI and also lead to some ideas that may or may not crop up soon
T3s real "failure" was more or less transitory in nature.
Complexes lead to Exploration. Exploration lead to Wspace and Wspace and will soon(tm) lead to the dark side....
.end of line.
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If you think your too paranoid to play EvE...
Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE
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Bane Loppknow
Pel Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.04 00:10:00 -
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Even if DUST doesn't do very well outside the EVE community, it will still probably have about the same number of players (not accounts) as EVE. Not everyone in EVE is going to play DUST, but a significant portion probably will. The rest will probably be made up of people who get into DUST and actually like it.
Personally, I'm extremely excited for DUST. Most of my RL friends are exclusive console gamers, or play on PCs that still have 3.5" floppy drives. Right now, really the only mildly entertaining game we can all play is Halo: Reach, but that game only has two major things going for it: It's named Halo, and it's got amazing armor customization. The actual gameplay and maps are mediocre, the spawning is atrocious, and the matchmaking system is fossilized.
DUST is an opportunity to tap into that playerbase, get them hooked on MMO-style gameplay, and possibly even encourage them to enter the world of PC gaming, which, while far superior, requires a larger investment. Plus, I'm not very good at FPSs. I'm looking forward to being able to nuke my friends from orbit.
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Nypheas Azurai
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Posted - 2011.04.04 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Simeon Tor That doesn't really apply, by the time anything gets to the test server it does already exist. Only very rarely do features not make it to tranquillity.
Firstly hypotheses are not solely formed from SiSi (in fact the playerbase has suggested and shot down many ideas before they've even made it to SiSi). Secondly, there have been many features that "existed" on SiSi that existed differently on Tranquility precisely because we at least have enough players not thick-headed enough to believe post-release is the only time to employ critical thinking.
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00138921002
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Posted - 2011.04.04 00:24:00 -
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I think it was be great if it tanks, then they would spend more time on what is pulling in the income for them - Eve. Right now they seem spread too thin.
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.04.04 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Thomas Edited by: Steve Thomas on 04/04/2011 00:16:32 What if T2 lotto fails
What if player owned conqureable stations/starbases fails
What If Complexes fail
What if Destroyers, Battlecruisers, Faction ships and Mining barges fail!
What if Freighers and Dreadnaughs fail!
What if Convoys Fail
What if Figherers and Cariers and Titans Fail!
what If Salvaging and Rigs and Boosters Fail!
What if Invention fails!
What if Faction Warfair failes!
What if Alchemy and the Orca Fail!
What If Wormholespace and T3 Fail!
What if Epic Arcs fail!
What if PI Failes!
What if Improved PI Fails!
What if Incursions Fail!
Eve somehow keeps puttering on despite the actual failures. Worst case if Dust fails is that the people doing Pi will have one less hastle to deal with. So YAY!WIN! on that one.
and even if it does fail, they can use the lesson from that failure eto make new stuff later (T2 lotto gave way to Invention and invention was expanded-modified to make T3,
Faction warfares failure lead to a plan change that resulted in the current Sov system. (some of which failed to be honest and some of which more or less succeeded)
PIs failure lead to the current PI and also lead to some ideas that may or may not crop up soon
T3s real "failure" was more or less transitory in nature.
Complexes lead to Exploration. Exploration lead to Wspace and Wspace and will soon(tm) lead to the dark side....
Well, there are a lot of people complaining about FW http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1489084
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.04 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nypheas Azurai
Originally by: Simeon Tor That doesn't really apply, by the time anything gets to the test server it does already exist. Only very rarely do features not make it to tranquillity.
Firstly hypotheses are not solely formed from SiSi (in fact the playerbase has suggested and shot down many ideas before they've even made it to SiSi). Secondly, there have been many features that "existed" on SiSi that existed differently on Tranquility precisely because we at least have enough players not thick-headed enough to believe post-release is the only time to employ critical thinking.
This
I wish I still had my notes on T3 mining barge and T2 - T3 Orca that was bounced around here and some other places including some of the discutions with they who shall not be named about thoes. we blankeded everything (T3 "Q-ship" module, Science module, suport module, Wormhole diveing module, Advanced strip miner that only works on a T3 mining ship and that can be fire linked (at one point the idea was that if you link 2 or more of the same module together you would be able to cycle faster but with the same net yeild as if they were not firelinked, (IE 2 modules, each cycle spits out 1 modules worth of ore/ice but the time would be reduced to 1/2, 3 modules the time would be 1/3 and so on) .end of line.
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If you think your too paranoid to play EvE...
Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE
(Alt list) Rico Lobo |
Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2011.04.04 00:40:00 -
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The backup plan is called DUST 514: PC Edition.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.04 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Har Harrison Edited by: Har Harrison on 04/04/2011 00:27:07
Originally by: Steve Thomas Edited by: Steve Thomas on 04/04/2011 00:16:32 What if T2 lotto fails
What if player owned conqureable stations/starbases fails
What If Complexes fail
What if Destroyers, Battlecruisers, Faction ships and Mining barges fail!
What if Freighers and Dreadnaughs fail!
What if Convoys Fail
What if Figherers and Cariers and Titans Fail!
what If Salvaging and Rigs and Boosters Fail!
What if Invention fails!
What if Faction Warfair failes!
What if Alchemy and the Orca Fail!
What If Wormholespace and T3 Fail!
What if Epic Arcs fail!
What if PI Failes!(it did)
What if Improved PI Fails!
What if Incursions Fail!
Eve somehow keeps puttering on despite the actual failures. Worst case if Dust fails is that the people doing Pi will have one less hastle to deal with. So YAY!WIN! on that one.
and even if it does fail, they can use the lesson from that failure eto make new stuff later (T2 lotto gave way to Invention and invention was expanded-modified to make T3,
Faction warfares failure lead to a plan change that resulted in the current Sov system. (some of which failed to be honest and some of which more or less succeeded)
PIs failure lead to the current PI and also lead to some ideas that may or may not crop up soon
T3s real "failure" was more or less transitory in nature.
Complexes lead to Exploration. Exploration lead to Wspace and Wspace and will soon(tm) lead to the dark side....
Well, there are a lot of people complaining about FW http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1489084and the issues aren't just about sov...
I know, Im one of them. And to be blunt I have riped on them on other issues that they have more or less seemingly walked away from. however my main point stands, some things they do work, some things they do frankly Dont. One of the things that they are working on internaly(for example) is "Boosters light" for later versions of Incarna.
I Did some more boldming than what you did, the bits I bolded are or were considered to be "Failures" to one degree or another either right at launch or shortly afterwords. (in fact I do wonder why they have not taken convoys out of EvE, I dont think anyone notices them mutch anymore.)(and in point of fact the original T-2 Lotto was sutch a royaly BAD idea that still causes stinks over it to pop up years later) and honestly I consider T-2 to be a worse "Concept failure" than FW is currently. .end of line.
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If you think your too paranoid to play EvE...
Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE
(Alt list) Rico Lobo |
Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.04.04 01:00:00 -
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You don't mix PC and Console players together, as the PC gamers will just start aimbotting and all sorts of hacking/cheating and the console gamers will complain about mouse/keyboard PC users.
So a port to PC will never happen. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Damien Grimm Muutaras
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Posted - 2011.04.04 01:04:00 -
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CCP has claimed in an old interview that they are prepared for Dust to tank at launch. They intend to stick to this for the long term, much like they have with Eve itself.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.04 01:14:00 -
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the problem however is that games that tank at lauch, tend to stay Tanked forevermore. .end of line.
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If you think your too paranoid to play EvE...
Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE
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Damien Grimm Muutaras
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Posted - 2011.04.04 01:20:00 -
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Have you played Warhawk? That game was all but dead, but as time passed it grew to have a pretty big community. Didn't Eve itself start with a hilariously small playerbase that grew with time?
The Dust/Eve link is a new concept for gaming, and everyone I've talked to are pretty excited about it. All console gamers. As long as CCP plays their cards right, this game will do well.
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Kaztor Troy
Minmatar The Nietzsche Followers Shades of Gray
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Posted - 2011.04.04 01:31:00 -
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Here's hoping the backup plan consists of releasing the game for PCs.
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Burkhashan
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Posted - 2011.04.04 01:52:00 -
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Thing is when everyone has the next console - lets call it xsupersegadrive - they can just slap better graphics and new weapons on their dust-eve link and call it "dust 612" or whatevs.
So I don't think in the many future years to come we'll have to rely on consolists to keep ye olde xboxes around.
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Selinate
Amarr Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.04 02:38:00 -
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Bahahahahahaha, I was about to say that this mode of gameplay in Eve will probably just turn into another FW and not be gamebreaking if dust 514 does fail, but who could've guessed that it already came up.
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.04.04 03:16:00 -
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Likely outcome is that after 3 months of console cashgrab, once the playbase fails to stick, it gets ported to PC and sold for PLEX.
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Henry Haphorn
Gallente Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.04 04:38:00 -
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If it does fail, cross your fingers and hope Dust gets converted to the PC (where I believe it belongs).
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