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Ellroy Dominic McLeech
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Posted - 2011.04.04 06:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ellroy Dominic McLeech on 04/04/2011 06:30:03 I'm lookin to get into a more serious pvp corp in the near future. From what little i've done so far (a bit of FW on my bomber/covy alt and some highsec wardec on my old carebear main) I haven't gotten very far. FW was fairly cheap and simple to get into, but it really felt restrictive with all the broken mechanics and there was little to no cohesion in the small corp I joined. Highsec wardecs I got involved in were completely boring. I could see it being interesting with a mile-long wardec list like orphanage/adopt, but in the small corps I got involved with it was days without seeing a red that wasn't docked up.
So, with all that experience packed i'm looking for greener pastures and trying to kick my L4 habit to boot. I've saved up a few billion isk for the adventure and i'm ready to start talking with corp leaders. Unfortunately I know that 90% of them are going to blast bright sunshine up my arse and paint the prettiest picture possible, so i'd like to get some opinions here about lowsec (most likely piracy and not fw) vs. nullsec pvp corps.
Thanks.
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.04.04 06:38:00 -
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lowec good.
nullsec... BAD
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.04 06:45:00 -
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NPC 0.0 is awesome.
Lowsec has ******ed mechanics and restrictions that limit the kind of ships/setups are viable.
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Ellroy Dominic McLeech
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Posted - 2011.04.04 06:55:00 -
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Dare I dream for more than 1 sentence blurbs?
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.04.04 07:51:00 -
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Well, one advantage of a 0.0 pvp corp is that if you decide you don't like it and it's not for you, or the corp is rubbish, you can return to empire space and your level 4 mission running is still intact if you wish to return to it. With lowsec, if your sec drops you won't be able to run them on your main at least.
Anyway, from my experience, 0.0 is more fun (for me). I prefer to fly smaller ships like interceptors since I find its easier to get a fight in one (as opposed to ganks or being blobbed). Although my corp is more of a guerilla warfare group based in empire close to 0.0, and roam into it, as opposed to living inside 0.0. I find that I'm fighting against players a lot more in 0.0, as opposed to ganking random dudes in lowsec. I don't find 0.0 fleet warfare fun, but that might be something which may interest you.
As for lowsec, we've tried it a couple of times as a corp, and a month later, we've often found ourselves returning to 0.0 space and ratting up our sec. It might be because we're mostly a collection of soloers as opposed to a solid pirate corp, and it's a lot easier to get a solo fight in 0.0 as opposed to in lowsec where you are forced to fly big and often will get blobbed because of it. ---
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.04 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ellroy Dominic McLeech Dare I dream for more than 1 sentence blurbs?
Basically, NPC 0.0 is lowsec with bubbles and less suck. Mission-running is reasonably good for making isk, the PvP is primarily small and medium gangs, expect to lose about 1 pod a week so have a minimalist combat clone.
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Lovelocke
Enlightened Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.04 09:20:00 -
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Depends on the PvP you're after. For piracy lowsec is where it usually happens. With nullsec however you know where you stand as most corps/alliances have a NBSI (not blue shoot it) policy, whereas in lowsec some have NRDS (not red don't shoot) but you're never sure if a) they have it or b) they'll follow it.
I also think nullsec is perhaps a more tactical environment, with the ability to deploy bubbles and what not. Short answer though, try both! Or go for a lowsec corp who do incursions to nullsec, best of both worlds then. CEO Enlightened Industries |
Millie Clode
Amarr Insert Cool Name Here
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Posted - 2011.04.04 10:23:00 -
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Lowsec - No bubbles, no bombs, sentry guns on gates/stations. Fun to mess about in but I wouldn't want to live there anymore.
Sov 0.0 - Too much drama and gheyness.
NPC 0.0 - Like lowsec but without the mechanical restrictions. P.cool. ---------- Who, me? |
Oirienicsa
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.04.04 11:02:00 -
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0.0 has one main issue, bubbles... bubbles are incredibly annoying, and also I'd suggest if you go into piracy then you take more than a couple billion isk. that being said a lot of pirate corps have access to alt corps who pick up faction warfare level 4's with turn out far greater isk/hour than highsec level 4's so if you're comfortable doing that then theres no reason you cant make isk while being a pirate.
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equincu ocha
Sinners.
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Posted - 2011.04.04 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lovelocke With nullsec however you know where you stand as most corps/alliances have a NBSI (not blue shoot it) policy, whereas in lowsec some have NRDS (not red don't shoot) but you're never sure if a) they have it or b) they'll follow it.
I've lived in 0.0 and in low-sec and you always know were you stand with low-sec pirate corps, if you aren't in their corp then you are a target, but my experience with 0.0 is that you never really know if standings are correct or not based on the number of blues that seem to change almost daily.
As far as pvp in low-sec vs 0.0, you have to deal with sentry fire in low-sec and bubbles in 0.0. There are plenty of other differences, but from a purely pvp perspective those are the big ones. |
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.04 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: knobber Jobbler on 04/04/2011 13:28:10 SOV 0.0 - larger fleets, bubbles (good and bad points), politics, blobs, stealth bombers with bombs (awesome sauce), unrestricted PVP sometimes at its best NBSI. You are concorde. NPC 0.0 - Never lived there so can't comment much. Low sec - Sometimes empty, more chance of small gang PVP (got in two excellent 10 vs 10 fights over the weekend), podding loses you sec status, piwates, gate guns (bad for small ships)
I'd advise taking your time before joining anyone.
I made a list of things I wanted to get out of PVP and then researched and made a list of 100+ likely corps I might want to join. I then whittled them down till I had a list where they all matched what I wanted and I'd fulfill all thier requirements, all the time researching them, there alliances and in some cases talking to them to ask questions. Once I had my list down to around 10 it was just a case of which one felt best to apply to.
Be prepared for interviews over TS etc.
Going from mission runner to 0.0 pvp'er is a large change (I made the same one myself) so getting in the right corp for you will help allot.
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Jean Luc Bathana
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Posted - 2011.04.04 13:45:00 -
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I recently made a major change, leaving a High Sec Carebear Industry Corp to join a PVP Corp in NPC 0.0.
I love it. Plain and simple. It is a MASSIVE change for me, but a good one nonetheless.
You can make ISK ratting the belts and doing Plexes. THere aren't the limitaions as in Low Sec. You have to constantly be on your toes when traveling. Getting Ships and Mods in and out of system can be a PIA.
Like the above poster said...take your time in picking your new Corp:
Are they around the same age/maturity level that you want? What timezone do the majority of them play in? Long Term Goals for the Corp? Logistics for transporting Ships and Mods?
One important factor for me was the fact that the Corp is in an Alliance; and a decent one.... safety in numbers and it's nice to see lots of "Blues" in the surrounding systems.
Good Luck and Fly Dangerous
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Lovelocke
Enlightened Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.04 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: equincu ocha
Originally by: Lovelocke With nullsec however you know where you stand as most corps/alliances have a NBSI (not blue shoot it) policy, whereas in lowsec some have NRDS (not red don't shoot) but you're never sure if a) they have it or b) they'll follow it.
I've lived in 0.0 and in low-sec and you always know were you stand with low-sec pirate corps, if you aren't in their corp then you are a target, but my experience with 0.0 is that you never really know if standings are correct or not based on the number of blues that seem to change almost daily.
As far as pvp in low-sec vs 0.0, you have to deal with sentry fire in low-sec and bubbles in 0.0. There are plenty of other differences, but from a purely pvp perspective those are the big ones.
Yea it's not the pirates but more the random roams going through lowsec. It's the uncertainty which comes with it. In 0.0 however it's NBSI all the way so no uncertainties. I have an alt who lives in 0.0; never had a problem with standings. If there is an issue there I would say it's down to the corps CEO/Diplo in sorting it out ASAP. Usually when a corp/alliance resets its standings they let the corps it was blue to know.
Oh and there's no sentry fire to deal with in low-sec if you only shoot flashies CEO Enlightened Industries |
Noisrevbus
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Posted - 2011.04.04 14:53:00 -
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I know i have said it before, and Suitonia is more or less touching the subject as well...
One thing does not exclude another. You can practically live anywhere and still go anywhere. This is EVE so there will never be assured instant action, and the activity levels tend to undulate (ebb and flow like the ocean; which nicely serve further examples, as you can look upon the life in a region as an ecosystem and your actions as fishing - if you overfish a given area it quickly goes stale).
However, there's nothing that stop you from living in highsec, roaming in nullsec and attacking whatever you can in lowsec while passing by. There's nothing stopping you from being in FW and attacking Pirates or vice versa, or going on a WH adventure should one appear where you live. There's plenty of small PvP groups out there who play to have a wide target spectrum. Too many other groups limit themselves; settle with something they are comfortable with; and sometimes blame the sandbox for not being open or varied enough. To some degree they can be right - that the sandbox environment do not encourage "emergent gameplay" as well as it could - but to some degree it's also their own fault for not opening up to everything that's available. They get too many blues and lack variation, or they settle in a region and resign themselves just interact with the nearby environment.
A killboard is very useful for analysing a corp's behaviour. Find their killboard and you can derive how active they seem to be, how proficient at rounding up targets, how many and even which regions they frequent as well as in what numbers they fly and what numbers they fight. Evaluate all the data, and consider wether the corp at hand match your aspiration or not.
I should be fair and end with the reminder that this is still EVE, and even with the largest target pool available - you should never expect instant action, and there will be dull nights of "nothing".
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equincu ocha
Sinners.
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Posted - 2011.04.04 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lovelocke
Originally by: equincu ocha
Originally by: Lovelocke With nullsec however you know where you stand as most corps/alliances have a NBSI (not blue shoot it) policy, whereas in lowsec some have NRDS (not red don't shoot) but you're never sure if a) they have it or b) they'll follow it.
I've lived in 0.0 and in low-sec and you always know were you stand with low-sec pirate corps, if you aren't in their corp then you are a target, but my experience with 0.0 is that you never really know if standings are correct or not based on the number of blues that seem to change almost daily.
As far as pvp in low-sec vs 0.0, you have to deal with sentry fire in low-sec and bubbles in 0.0. There are plenty of other differences, but from a purely pvp perspective those are the big ones.
Yea it's not the pirates but more the random roams going through lowsec. It's the uncertainty which comes with it. In 0.0 however it's NBSI all the way so no uncertainties. I have an alt who lives in 0.0; never had a problem with standings. If there is an issue there I would say it's down to the corps CEO/Diplo in sorting it out ASAP. Usually when a corp/alliance resets its standings they let the corps it was blue to know.
Oh and there's no sentry fire to deal with in low-sec if you only shoot flashies
Why would you think a random roaming gang through low-sec to be friendly ?
And if you don't think low-sec is NBSI then you haven't been to low-sec.
The OP asked about piracy in low-sec, and pirates shoot everyone, therefore you have to watch out for sentries |
Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.04.04 22:28:00 -
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I've been in nullsec and lowsec PVP corps both. When in nullsec, I hated that my corpmates and alliancemates were always too busy ratting for ISK to look for fights. I've been in lowsec ever since.
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Jones Bones
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.04.05 02:06:00 -
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Lowsec is for griefers and people who can't hack it in 0.0. Null sec has end game pvp and massive fleet fights without the lag of pesky low sec. If you want to be considered bad just go live in low sec for awhile. It's all fail pirates killing empty haulers and FW kiddies killing each other in frigs. No excitement and no good fights.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.04.05 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones Lowsec is for griefers and people who can't hack it in 0.0. Null sec has end game pvp and massive fleet fights without the lag of pesky low sec. If you want to be considered bad just go live in low sec for awhile. It's all fail pirates killing empty haulers and FW kiddies killing each other in frigs. No excitement and no good fights.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.04.05 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jones Bones massive fleet fights without the lag
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I likegirls
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.05 06:22:00 -
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Lowsec is pretty boring, and almost all the kills you will get are without a fight. Nullsec is a lot of fights, but normally 1 side tries to vastly outnumber the other side.
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BolsterBomb
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Posted - 2011.04.05 18:05:00 -
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Wow....the people saying lowsec is for kiddies. Bring in one of your fleets through Gallente low sec space and see what happens to it. Oh yea ask DNS.....and all the other "uber 133T" 0.0 gangs that think they can steam roll some stupid FW kiddies in their frigs...
We get plenty of people roaming through are area on the weekends. And we have lately been killing a ton of caps. I can think of 2 major fights just this past week, one that lasted about an hour and the other one we steamrolled DNS...dirt nap squad....
I lived in 0.0 when I first started eve and the two play styles are completly different. You never warp straight to a gate in 0.0 where as in lowsec gates are saftey and also where a lot of fights happen. In 0.0 you can shoot anything without reprcusions, in low sec you shoot something not flashy or at war (like FW, etc) you lose sec status and can be shot by station/gate guns.
In 0.0 you are going to encounter all types of fleets. In low sec you will mainly see cruiser hulls, (usualy BS and Recons). I fly mainly frigates in lowsec simply because in lowsec you get ganked more often then you get a fight. The biggest problem with lowsec is the gank factor. Most people wont fight unless they know they are going to win, otherwise they run. Solo fights are there but you have to be very choosy and extremly cautious because you never know when it is bait for a gank
Lowsec is mainly FW, pirates and the dumb 0.0 people thinking they can come in and roflstomp people. THe other item I dont like in FW is the constant accusation of SPAIS, it gets old quick.
Other then that its just mainly a difference of play style and sec status balancing. I think if you are looking to live somewhere 0.0 might be the place to go. If you're looking for fights, just bounce between the two. If low sec is dead go into 0.0 and vice versa. Just be ready to grind status if you need to.
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Jones Bones
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.04.05 23:01:00 -
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This thread is now about how awesome BolsterBomb is. He so awesome, he mah hirro.
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.06 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: BolsterBomb Wow....the people saying lowsec is for kiddies. Bring in one of your fleets through Gallente low sec space and see what happens to it. Oh yea ask DNS.....and all the other "uber 133T" 0.0 gangs that think they can steam roll some stupid FW kiddies in their frigs...
Using Dirt Nap Squad as an example of "133T"-ness really does not help your point any...
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:12:00 -
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I like running around in a frigate. For frigate pvp (T1 frigs or most AFs) that means Afterburners... and they just dont mesh well with bubbles. BC gangs in losec are also a lot of fun, especially those impromptu fights when your gang jumps into an enemy gang of about the same size and composition. Not saysing this dosent happen in null, I just havent experienced it.
NPC 0.0 can be a lot of fun, but I prefer losec; dont lose clones often (I have been podded in losec exactly one time, due to my own overwhelming stupidity) so you can fly with some fun toys plugged in. However, you cant use some other fun toys (bubbles, bombs, shooting whatever you want on gates)
I prefer losec, ymmv... and yes, lol at "my u83r n00lsex allince will kill you!!11!" mindset.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:37:00 -
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a major plus for low sec is the number of npc stations to dock and log in, 0.0 roams can take too long to find a safe place to log and tend to go on longer than anticipated almost every time.
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Dr Richard Dawkins
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Fighter a major plus for low sec is the number of npc stations to dock and log in, 0.0 roams can take too long to find a safe place to log and tend to go on longer than anticipated almost every time.
Never found this to be much of a problem tbqh.
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Tappits
Rens 911 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Tappits on 07/04/2011 12:13:50 0.0 is the place were every ship can be used 100% and not limited at all, Lowsec is the use of small ships in belts or BC's and BS's blobs on gates. Highsec pvp is like playing fake pvp because 99% of the time its just people ganking other people that have no clue whats going on.
i would say get your corp and go live in NCP 0.0 space for a bit you will love it. if you don't and highsec is were you like to be then you might as well play any of the other 1000000 games out there as theres no point playing EVE online a MMOPVP game in a place were theres no real pvp ---------------------------------------------- I fail At forums ٩๏̯͡๏)۶ |
Lovelocke
Enlightened Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: equincu ocha
Originally by: Lovelocke
Originally by: equincu ocha
Originally by: Lovelocke With nullsec however you know where you stand as most corps/alliances have a NBSI (not blue shoot it) policy, whereas in lowsec some have NRDS (not red don't shoot) but you're never sure if a) they have it or b) they'll follow it.
I've lived in 0.0 and in low-sec and you always know were you stand with low-sec pirate corps, if you aren't in their corp then you are a target, but my experience with 0.0 is that you never really know if standings are correct or not based on the number of blues that seem to change almost daily.
As far as pvp in low-sec vs 0.0, you have to deal with sentry fire in low-sec and bubbles in 0.0. There are plenty of other differences, but from a purely pvp perspective those are the big ones.
Yea it's not the pirates but more the random roams going through lowsec. It's the uncertainty which comes with it. In 0.0 however it's NBSI all the way so no uncertainties. I have an alt who lives in 0.0; never had a problem with standings. If there is an issue there I would say it's down to the corps CEO/Diplo in sorting it out ASAP. Usually when a corp/alliance resets its standings they let the corps it was blue to know.
Oh and there's no sentry fire to deal with in low-sec if you only shoot flashies
Why would you think a random roaming gang through low-sec to be friendly ?
And if you don't think low-sec is NBSI then you haven't been to low-sec.
The OP asked about piracy in low-sec, and pirates shoot everyone, therefore you have to watch out for sentries
I don't think you read my post in its entirety. As I said a lot of corps operate a "NRDS" policy in lowsec. I've been in large roams in lowsec and encountered a neutral group who have not aggressed. My point, again, is the uncertainty of whether or not the group you meet is NRDS or NBSI. Obviously if they have a GCC or are a known pirate corp then it's obvious. CEO Enlightened Industries |
Holdout
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: BolsterBomb Wow....the people saying lowsec is for kiddies. Bring in one of your fleets through Gallente low sec space and see what happens to it.
I imagine it would roam around the ghost town for a bit (while all the FW kiddies in their frigates dock up) and then get bored and go back to nullsec...
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Janz Black
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2011.04.13 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: BolsterBomb Wow....the people saying lowsec is for kiddies. Bring in one of your fleets through Gallente low sec space and see what happens to it. Oh yea ask DNS.....and all the other "uber 133T" 0.0 gangs that think they can steam roll some stupid FW kiddies in their frigs...
We get plenty of people roaming through are area on the weekends. And we have lately been killing a ton of caps. I can think of 2 major fights just this past week, one that lasted about an hour and the other one we steamrolled DNS...dirt nap squad....
I lived in 0.0 when I first started eve and the two play styles are completly different. You never warp straight to a gate in 0.0 where as in lowsec gates are saftey and also where a lot of fights happen. In 0.0 you can shoot anything without reprcusions, in low sec you shoot something not flashy or at war (like FW, etc) you lose sec status and can be shot by station/gate guns.
In 0.0 you are going to encounter all types of fleets. In low sec you will mainly see cruiser hulls, (usualy BS and Recons). I fly mainly frigates in lowsec simply because in lowsec you get ganked more often then you get a fight. The biggest problem with lowsec is the gank factor. Most people wont fight unless they know they are going to win, otherwise they run. Solo fights are there but you have to be very choosy and extremly cautious because you never know when it is bait for a gank
Lowsec is mainly FW, pirates and the dumb 0.0 people thinking they can come in and roflstomp people. THe other item I dont like in FW is the constant accusation of SPAIS, it gets old quick.
Other then that its just mainly a difference of play style and sec status balancing. I think if you are looking to live somewhere 0.0 might be the place to go. If you're looking for fights, just bounce between the two. If low sec is dead go into 0.0 and vice versa. Just be ready to grind status if you need to.
Wall of text. U mad bro? No one in the game has a 100% efficiency rating. Fight DNS and chances are, yours will go down. " Do not Demand that which you cannot Take by Force " |
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