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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:30:00 -
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lol @ full Goon CSM. Thats as good an idea as a full BoB CSM would have been back in the day
The idea of "the lunatics running the asylum" comes to mind ---------------------------- fail leads to anger anger leads to hate hate leads to the dark side of MMOs |
Jojo Jackson
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:18:00 -
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Learn it: some people will NEVER go to low-, toilet-sec. If you remove L4 from highsec they will either do something else or just stop to play EvE. Second one is more likely and you will see user counts drob by at last 50%.
In addition, where do you want to run all your ****ing bots then @toilet-sec Allys?
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Aldo Bridger
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: Aldo Bridger on 10/04/2011 05:38:29
Originally by: Nerodia Crotalus I'm sure this is going to cause more flaming...
Definitely understand those sentiments. I played for years in empire hearing these stories from my mates in sov null. I heard the politics of power in intimate details and frequently watched ops they participated in. Now that i'm back and taking my new character to 0.0 himself i'm focused primarily on npc nullsec for those very reasons. The circular logic that drives a lot of people into big alliance politics is really stunning.
I think at some point they go into sov. thinking the big income and perks (ship replacement, capital assitance, jump networks) are required to get good fights and stay active in pvp. Unfortunately they realize all too late that these things come at a tremendous cost. In NPC space most corps are not well respected and they do have to work harder grinding than the provided for sov. pilots, but they have a level of enjoyment and autonomy that you rarely see in a sov. group. When they roam they don't NEED jump bridge networks because they fight other locals or adjacent regions and when things go completely south and they loose control of space, their assets are in NPC stations so the loss is bearable and it doesn't require weeks of evac. operations and political manuvering.
Personally, I see the best of EVE in NPC null and it makes me sad to see so few players voicing this. Sov. politicians seem so self-interested and so entrenched they have a hard time thinking about mechanics outside of the ugly box that's developed over time. Case in point, most of the CSM members now are very defensive of jump capabilites, bridges, and their far-reaching logistical power. Most will concede on other points like supercap bloat or technitium, but on the whole they will not let go of the status quo. They are in-fact dedicated to the status quo despite the fact that it is flawed just because a real departure from that makes them largely irrelavent or at best diminishes their influence.
The commander of a 20 man gang that is very successful is not nearly as prestigious a position as FC of a 2000+ fleet. Wars for local systems don't generate nearly as much :smug: as ones for entire regions and the amount of metagaming that goes into these huge efforts gets them far more interested than the game itself. In an EVE without massive moon profits, sov bills, and bridges to cover half the map in mintues there is no perk for being situated in the middle of a giant coalition of blues and there is a hell of a lot more reason to find good fights locally that won't draw the numbers necessary to bring a node to it's knees.
Not sure where my rant goes from this point so i'll leave it at that.
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Atra Hasis
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:49:00 -
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Not everyone wants to deal with the politics of Null sec. All the more power to them I say, they play where they want, they do what they want. That's EVE.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.04.10 06:11:00 -
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Want to get people out to 0.0? Make even the worst 0.0 space better then running L4 missions.
Not at all.
You should never have *granted* certainties in EvE. 0.0 should have bigger *potential* of growth than L4 but the vast majority of idiots infecting the world should never have granted success. They have to fail and be commanded by someone smarter than them who sucks them dry and reaps the benefits, like it has always been.
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Gravemind GER
Caldari Community for Justice Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2011.04.10 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ladie Scarlet Goons are certainly not known to be trolls. Trust us, these crowdsourcing ideals will lead to innovative vertical technologies that will help CCP harness mission-critical users, enable scalable e-markets, synergize efficient infrastructures and orchestrate end-to-end content.
As you can see we've put a lot of thought into this plan and we feel it's what the game needs at the current time.
your ugly face says it all, you are trying to troll but fail miserably. U SIR ARE A SPAI! |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.10 06:35:00 -
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I agree that in general 0.0 should be better than highsec, but just that won't make people run out there. someone suggested moving moongoo stuff outside the pos shields, I think that would be pretty cool, go in attack and then steal their moon goo! also things like sov upgrade disruption attacks. little things like that that encourage people to go in and say **** you to their neighbors. beats the hell out of roaming around just to see everyone dock up, or afk cloaking for long enough that they get courageous enough to actually undock with you in system.
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jojo Jackson Learn it: some people will NEVER go to low-, toilet-sec. If you remove L4 from highsec they will either do something else or just stop to play EvE. Second one is more likely and you will see user counts drob by at last 50%.
In addition, where do you want to run all your ****ing bots then @toilet-sec Allys?
I'm sure it will be a little scary at first but once people realize that the only missions they will be able to run in the safety of highsec are level ones they will make the move to lowsec for leve two and three missions and eventually into nullsec where they belong for level four and five missions.
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Aldo Bridger
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: Aldo Bridger on 10/04/2011 08:11:18 Edited by: Aldo Bridger on 10/04/2011 08:10:50
Originally by: Atra Hasis Not everyone wants to deal with the politics of Null sec. All the more power to them I say, they play where they want, they do what they want. That's EVE.
The problem everyone (repeatedly) runs into though, is that sov. politics and problems tend to effect the entire game. Examples: r64 moons bring sov to lowsec and supercap bloat bring hotdrops into lowsec with increasing frequency.
Also: lowsec mission running is not that dangerous, please my fellow carebears, stop acting like idiots. Scout, use your map, make bookmarks, and use a little common sense.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aldo Bridger Edited by: Aldo Bridger on 10/04/2011 08:11:18 Edited by: Aldo Bridger on 10/04/2011 08:10:50
Originally by: Atra Hasis Not everyone wants to deal with the politics of Null sec. All the more power to them I say, they play where they want, they do what they want. That's EVE.
The problem everyone (repeatedly) runs into though, is that sov. politics and problems tend to effect the entire game. Examples: r64 moons bring sov to lowsec and supercap bloat bring hotdrops into lowsec with increasing frequency.
Also: lowsec mission running is not that dangerous, please my fellow carebears, stop acting like idiots. Scout, use your map, make bookmarks, and use a little common sense.
I stopped caring for L4 low sec missions when they made so easy to probe ships inside pockets.
I am vastly going to quit EvE before I spend my days getting carpal syndrome with the absurdly ret*rded scan button spam.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Lucia Sarain Maybe you should run level 4 missions .. in 0.0 .
Now that Goons own the CSM this is in the works. Level 4&5 missions in null, level 2&3 missions in lowsec and level 1 missions in highsec. You'll thank us later.
The only way this will work is if the goons turn off all their bots.. owait. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
Aldo Bridger
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Aldo Bridger on 10/04/2011 09:41:02
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I stopped caring for L4 low sec missions when they made so easy to probe ships inside pockets.
I am vastly going to quit EvE before I spend my days getting carpal syndrome with the absurdly ret*rded scan button spam.
Unprobable fits aren't very difficult, but even ignoring that approach the biggest safeguards are simple tactics anyone who's lived in low or null for a few months will have picked up on. The biggest problem is that CCP insisted on creating silly ships like marauders that simply have no place outside of completely safe highsec or deep sov. anomalies. The playerbase in empire has been so conditioned to fly expensive "efficient," mission boats they've all but forgotten that you can get the job done at 90% efficientcy with cheaper and more agile hulls.
In short, introducing more risk doesn't break the equation. It just forces players to reconsider how they fit and fly. Caveat: The goon is trolling and I doubt 4's leave highsec. I also agree with you the scanning changes have borked things not limited to, but including finding players in pockets too easily...
But, at the end of the day lowsec out of the FW pipes is less dangerous than undocking at motsu in a tengu or autopiloting a freighter from jita to amarr. Calculated risks aren't the end of the world for us carebears and I for one would love to see afk mission runners go the way of the bots and die.
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Deb Dukar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:06:00 -
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cant wait to see having 2 big aliances like the asian guys have soon cause noone will want that worthless crapspace and every1 is forced to join big allies to get at least some havens.
seriously ... **** you. im outa 0.0 and do some low pirating to **** up some carebaers ------------------------- horray for typos |
Lump Hammer
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lump Hammer on 10/04/2011 11:19:59
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
Originally by: cyndrogen
LOL do you know what happens to the ecosystem when you force everyone to quit? You WIN eve!
Game over!
Confirming that our ultimate goal is to win EVE and we do not feel the need to look past that.
So what happens if you win... do we start all over again and go back mining tritanium in frigates as in 2003?
(edit = typo)
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:00:00 -
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Unprobable fits aren't very difficult,
I don't like to cheat, being uncatchable in a PvP game is the apex of lameness.
Instead of circumventing the stupid game mechanics with a T3, I'd prefer CCP would implement low sec missioning mechanics better, ie actually taking in consideration that you can't just copy the same missions off hi sec in there.
In hi sec it's ok to warp in a 1000000000 NPCs + web towers + scramble frigates blob, in low sec the missions should at least let people go in for 20-30 km (so they see the HAC getting in).
But most of all, it's the need to perma-spam the scan button. It woes, I am not going to do it, CCP can suck my toes about it.
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The playerbase in empire has been so conditioned to fly expensive "efficient," mission boats they've all but forgotten that you can get the job done at 90% efficientcy with cheaper and more agile hulls.
It's not just a 10% difference. With a T2 fitted ship my L4 alt can't even fit all the needed damage mods etc, even with implants and I'd make 20M-25M per hour. With faction fit you do 40-45M per hour easy before you even switch to a marauder.
So, the difference is very sensible, it's why people "waste" 3-4B on hi sec ships. The LP spent to fit them trickles in doing missions anyway and you pay a 3B ship back in 2 months of casual playing.
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Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Stephen Mctowelieee Want to get people out to 0.0? Allow highsec carebears better protection, and put the hammer down on scammers.
This, in part. I did spend a year or so living in null and it was alot of fun, I'd like to go back some day. However, there are also a number of other reasons that put people off.
Stability. I moved around alot in null, variety is fun but having to pack your **** up and lug it halfway across the galaxy (sometimes at every short notice) every so often is a tribal pain in the ass. On the flip side, the constant warfare and flux is part of the appeal in leaving high-sec.
Standings and hubs. Every mission runner will have terrible standings with the pirate factions. With (unsurprisingly) no empire faction agents in null-sec I'd have to spam alot of level 1 missions to get the standings needed for juicy level 4 missions (assuming I wanted to go down the mission running route). In addition, there are sarce agents in null sec anyway. 1000 carebears in one null-sec system running missions would be fun till the slaughter ended and I can guarantee they wouldn't come back.
Market. Most mission runners will make money from selling items bought with LP and high-sec is where the buyers are. Selling null items would mean couriering the items back up to empire to sell them, another pain in the ass and a reason many nullbears have high-sec alts.
Obviously missions aren't the only ways to make money in null sec. But the alternatives are anom sites (randomly spawning missions basically) and ratting (also fairly dull).
If you really want to draw people out of high-sec then as Stephen Mctowelieee said you're going to need to give them more incentive that "Mo' money here.".
There are two sides to the EVE community; those that scream for change and those that scream against it. Often they are the same person. |
Arnakoz
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Posted - 2011.04.10 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Not at all.
You should never have *granted* certainties in EvE. 0.0 should have bigger *potential* of growth than L4 but the vast majority of idiots infecting the world should never have granted success. They have to fail and be commanded by someone smarter than them who sucks them dry and reaps the benefits, like it has always been.
eh, considering that prior to getting a system to military 5 and installing the $$ upgrades the systems were already exactly as you say - only potentially good, you;re are simply repeating what you;re trying to disagree with.
tl;dr CCP has made it so that even after upgrades you get crap that isn't even as good as level 4 missions. so there is no potential in these spaces, which is what the OP is complaining about.
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