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Eon Code
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Posted - 2011.04.05 06:19:00 -
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I'm confused, I want to buy a Proteus but people says that the tengu are better but cant see how or why .. why should I not buy a Proteus??
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.05 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Eon Code I'm confused, I want to buy a Proteus but people says that the tengu are better but cant see how or why .. why should I not buy a Proteus??
Because an HML Tengu can put down 700 DPS at 100km. You get me a Proteus fit that can do the same, I'd love to see it.
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2011.04.05 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Target Painter
Originally by: Eon Code I'm confused, I want to buy a Proteus but people says that the tengu are better but cant see how or why .. why should I not buy a Proteus??
Because an HML Tengu can put down 700 DPS at 100km. You get me a Proteus fit that can do the same, I'd love to see it.
You are forgetting it paired with AB speed bonus propulsion subsystem... 700 dps @ 100km while traveling 700 m/s with 150 sig radius. You can tank ANYTHING while: not webbed, not neuted, in proper range
And that is basically where legendary tengu tank comes from -> nothing but cruise missiles can reach it... and i dont have to say a standard rat cruise volley does like 5-10 damage to it.
Regards
I.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.04.05 08:12:00 -
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Originally by: Eon Code I'm confused, I want to buy a Proteus but people says that the tengu are better but cant see how or why .. why should I not buy a Proteus??
It depends entirely on what you're going to use it for.
For mission running or PvE content/purposes in general... a Tengu is indisputably the best of all the T3s.
If you want to PvP... that a different matter entirely. A cloaky Proteus with a long range scram and a huge buffer is something to be quite concerned about when it decloaks right on top of you. _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Major Slaphead
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Posted - 2011.04.05 08:15:00 -
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Test server.
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Eon Code
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Posted - 2011.04.05 08:24:00 -
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it will probably mostly be used for wormhole/0.0 pvp.. arh man, its so hard
and why should tengu be so damn ugly compared to Proteus... well thanks guys for your wise words... ill jump back im my pod and meditate on it
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Sessym
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.05 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Eon Code it will probably mostly be used for wormhole/0.0 pvp.. arh man, its so hard
Have you seen a Tengu fit that can tank 2-3 hurricanes with each neuting you using 2x med neuts? The answe should be the same for that question and yours...
0= - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'So grab your guns.'
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.04.05 09:16:00 -
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A cloaky proteus is just as fugly, mine's called DONT LOOK AT ME! for a reason.
With said cloak you're mostly choosing your fights, plus if it's w-space with holes and anoms you can reliably start in full tackle blaster hot death range. And yay for strongest resist being against tengus and drakes.
But yes, outside of w-space the range of any of the other t3s is far better, tengu especially so. And GTFO via things like 100mn ab which a prot shouldn't do IMHO. (You can however fit a 100mn mwd and the cap usage is minimal with the right SS, but see dps range/not being a tengu as to why this is useless) |
Swynet
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Posted - 2011.04.05 11:31:00 -
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Already have a Tengu for pve and I find it incredible but I'm training now for the Proteus, so if someone can throw by here a good pvp fit for solo small (very small) gang/roam I'm all up.
Thx ________________________________________________
Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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ShadowGod56
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Posted - 2011.04.06 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Swynet Already have a Tengu for pve and I find it incredible but I'm training now for the Proteus, so if someone can throw by here a good pvp fit for solo small (very small) gang/roam I'm all up.
Thx
i had designed this proteus for small cloaky gang's or solo work.
800mm rolled tungsten 2x darkblood eanm Centum A type energized reactive Shadow Serpentis Magnetic field Centii A- type small armor repairer
y-t8 MWD(complex mwd for facy factor) ShadowS warp scram Dark blood small cap booster, navy 400's
Covert op cloak heavy neutron II(CNAM) heavy neutron II heavy neutron II hveay neutron II Corpum a type med Nos small energy neut II
(t2 for fancy factor) Medium trimark armor pump Medium trimark armor pump Medium nanobot accelerator
Adaptive augmentor Friction extension processor covert reconfiguration Augmented capacitor reservoir wake Limiter
5x Hobgoblin II's 5x Worrier II's ECM dornes spares
this gives a around 400 dps (almost 440 overheated) 73k EHP buffer and around 200 dps active tank while having some options against cap warfare. has room for 4 sets of light drones( only 25 bandwidth tho). i haven't flown this yet but i plan to once i get my skills done for it.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.06 04:20:00 -
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All T3's are pretty good, even though some are better than others.
If you have alot of skills in gunnery, then consider the Loki. Can't tank as much as the Proteus, but it can hit harder, fly faster and has one awesome webbing bonus
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Crabs Collector
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Posted - 2011.04.06 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman All T3's are pretty good, even though some are better than others.
If you have alot of skills in gunnery, then consider the Loki. Can't tank as much as the Proteus, but it can hit harder, fly faster and has one awesome webbing bonus
The legion is pretty crap, especially compared to the other t3 and the price.
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Zan Shiro
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Posted - 2011.04.06 06:04:00 -
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where will you be taking the t3?
If looking to go wh/low/0.0, have an interest in going unprobable/hard as hell to find....you can make your proteus do that. then you pop the drones, their mwd blooms say "hey 's, blobbers and gankers I am over here".
Besides that its the usual thing with drone boats...they are good for pve, jsut not good for fast pve times as the bulk of your dps is the drones. Travel time, recalls when aggro'd and range (especially against tengu).
High skill tengu for example your killing can begin at like 105 km's. Mission wave has 3 dessies...you literally can target them at 105 km's on t1 ammo, fire one missile a piece and move on to other targets. Seconds later...they jsut disappear...all at 100 km's. Also can kill web frigs well out of thier web range.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Swynet on 06/04/2011 13:19:52
Originally by: Zan Shiro where will you be taking the t3?
Low sec roam/support/intell
Already have the Tengu has improbable stuff to clean some anomalies and kill some roamers but want something capable to go toe to toe with recons/command/blackops or at least can tank enough the time that support jumps in. ________________________________________________
Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Swynet Already have a Tengu for pve and I find it incredible but I'm training now for the Proteus, so if someone can throw by here a good pvp fit for solo small (very small) gang/roam I'm all up.
Thx
Just use the tengu for PvP aswell. No need to train more stuff...
Not only will the tengu be better, but your skillpoints will be more concentrated on missiles and shields... Making it even better.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Diesel47
Originally by: Swynet Already have a Tengu for pve and I find it incredible but I'm training now for the Proteus, so if someone can throw by here a good pvp fit for solo small (very small) gang/roam I'm all up.
Thx
Just use the tengu for PvP aswell. No need to train more stuff...
Not only will the tengu be better, but your skillpoints will be more concentrated on missiles and shields... Making it even better.
Has I said, I already "small pvp" with it but it's always easy pickings like guys jumping in my hub mostly never more than 2 and since I'm always in movement and pretty far from de beacon I can blow them before they can ever get close enough, or they just warp out. Don't really know it's capacities against largest numbers specially because I'm always pve fitted with it, I can tank over 40 ships pockets in DED 6 and never warp out but vs players you know it's not the same stuff. Gonna try to find small gangs and get some experience with and also change my fit. Thx for the reply (I'm mainly trained Gallente already) ________________________________________________
Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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andeira
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Swynet Edited by: Swynet on 06/04/2011 14:08:49 Edited by: Swynet on 06/04/2011 13:19:52
Originally by: Zan Shiro where will you be taking the t3?
Low sec roam/support/intell
Already have the Tengu has improbable stuff to clean some anomalies and kill some roamers but want something capable to go toe to toe with recons/command/blackops or at least can tank enough the time that support jumps in.
Edit Some comments about this?
"Proteus - Prot-test" Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer Imperial Navy Medium Armour Repairer
Cap Recharger II Domination Warp Scrambler Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Federation Navy 10MN Afterburner
Medium Nosferatu II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Proteus Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Proteus Offensive - Dissonic Encoding Platform Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
lol cap recharger on pvp ship -------------
Originally by: Stitcher For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.04.06 15:48:00 -
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Never mind the ab and t2 rigs eh? |
Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.06 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize Never mind the ab and t2 rigs eh?
I'm a big fan of the trimark with no plate.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: andeira lol cap recharger on pvp ship
Is intended to be changed to a cap injector, but feel free to give constructive opinions instead of "lol"
Here "lol " too ________________________________________________
Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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Linsyn
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:52:00 -
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PVP Proteus setup 173k EHP and 1010 DPS according to my EFT mine has T2 rigs which gives 198k EHP but if I lost it I'd cry like a little girl
[Proteus, Peeveepee Prot] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Shadow Serpentis Armor Explosive Hardener Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Faint Warp Disruptor I Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Hammerhead II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:56:00 -
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Thank you Linsyn ________________________________________________
Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:55:00 -
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Oh come on, no scram or web on a blaster boat?
How you fit a proteus is you know how to pvp first and what a blaster armour tanked ship needs, you fit that and then you try not get kited to death. |
ReVOzE
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Posted - 2011.04.06 22:00:00 -
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If you have the isk just get one for each particular job or something similar. Like Proteus for PvP and Tengu for exploration/sites.
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.07 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Target Painter on 07/04/2011 01:44:27
Originally by: Swynet
About the trimark with no plate: so you're advice is what? -change the TE or the MFS for a plate?
Or get rid of the trimark, it has no buffer to amplify as you have it currently setup. I can kind of see the merits of adding some buffer to a active armor tanked ship to defend against alpha, especially cruisers that don't have much baseline armor HP, so it's not a totally terrible idea.
Quote: About the "AB": mwd that can be shut in a ship that needs to have speed to get close to his targets? -wy not
That Proteus is hilariously slow without a MWD.
Quote: I know nothing about this ship so I'm trying to figure out what kind of setup I would like to use but seems there are more lols than fits and the explanation why this or why that.
Use and lose a bunch of Thoraxes, Brutixes and Deimoses. BTW, RF TEs are gloriously overpriced for their actual performance boost.
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Linsyn
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Posted - 2011.04.07 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize Oh come on, no scram or web on a blaster boat?
How you fit a proteus is you know how to pvp first and what a blaster armour tanked ship needs, you fit that and then you try not get kited to death.
Good spot on my Proteus did it from memory relooked and have a web instead of the booster: epic fail
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Target Painter Edited by: Target Painter on 07/04/2011 01:44:27
Originally by: Swynet
About the trimark with no plate: so you're advice is what? -change the TE or the MFS for a plate?
Or get rid of the trimark, it has no buffer to amplify as you have it currently setup. I can kind of see the merits of adding some buffer to a active armor tanked ship to defend against alpha, especially cruisers that don't have much baseline armor HP, so it's not a totally terrible idea.
Quote: About the "AB": mwd that can be shut in a ship that needs to have speed to get close to his targets? -wy not
That Proteus is hilariously slow without a MWD.
Quote: I know nothing about this ship so I'm trying to figure out what kind of setup I would like to use but seems there are more lols than fits and the explanation why this or why that.
Use and lose a bunch of Thoraxes, Brutixes and Deimoses. BTW, RF TEs are gloriously overpriced for their actual performance boost.
Yes the idea is that it's active armour tanked since I'll fly it mostly solo perhaps with 1 or 2 mates. Whenever I get in to fleets I can always change my fit/subs. But yeah I think I'm gonig to loose some before I know how to fly that properly.
MWD: check -so I'll change the sub for something like Linsyn's set up.
About cruiser/BC's hulls, indeed I don't fly them that much. First because I don't like those, fit that stuff gives me migraines and the weapon system/bonus has ridiculous, over ridiculous should I say, optimal distance then speed then tons of stuff but all related to Gallente. But I want to try the Prot !! Mostly fly battleships (Gall) or Caldari smaller stuff (Tengu/Cerebus) ________________________________________________
Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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