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Vyncent Darlandra
Gallente Immortals Coalition INC
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Posted - 2011.04.06 02:57:00 -
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Ok the corp i'm in is rather small, only about 15 or so members. For the most part, we are all rather new, and have been learning about eve together as we run our missions. We've been entirely PvE with the hopes of eventually getting skilled enough to go PvP. Well, last week we got wardec'ed by another corp of "15" characters who do nothing but PvP, and they camp outside our primary mission station that we have been running out of, disrupting our game-play. Now, I understand war is an aspect of the game, but i'm having trouble understanding how my game play is being dictated by other people. As it stands it seems our only options are to move on to other corporation areas for missions where of course we would have to re-level (with no real assurance that we wont be followed) or to leave the corp altogether. Alts are obviously being run, for as soon as a single person was engaged (other corp members not online), within 30 secs, multiple other corp members came into the game and instantly warped to the fight, so we cant even be sure when we're being watched. Our best fits are getting trashed, and the only real hope we have is if we completely outnumber them...which is of course hard to do in a small corp to have us all online at once. Suggestions, ideas, or is this the game that I'm paying for? I thought Hi-sec was supposed to be relatively safe if you wanted it to be...otherwise whats the point of even having security levels when you can legally be pirated? Thanks in advance for anything. -Vyn
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.06 03:47:00 -
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Wardecs (IMO) are indeed broken when they are against a new/small corp like this.
That said, they can be a very good PVP learning tool. Ask yourself these questions:
Do you know the names of everyone in their corp? How many of them are in your system? Are they all camping your station? What ships do they usually fly in? What ships do your guys like to fly?
Alot of these questions can be answered by a cloaky frigate sitting outside all cloaked up, that way they can feed your corp up to date info.
Don't be afraid to fight and die, if you have no implants in. If you do, try skilling up infomorph psycology to jump clone to a non-implanted clone to fight in. That way if you die, you lose nothing.
Being effective in PVP takes time, patience and alot of practice. I would think about implementing a reimbursement program as well. For eg, if you all fight in rifters, give them out for free to anyone who loses one in the line of duty. Having a tax usually pays for this to happen.
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Imigo Montoya
Gallente Hysterically Unforgiving Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 04:01:00 -
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I would have to agree with Headerman - take it as a learning opportunity. Find a way to minimise your losses and learn how to deal with other players through whatever means you can find.
Intel is incredibly important so try to find ways to get what information you can (out of corp alts work nicely for this too - and you can bet that they're using them). Find out what their habits are and get some enjoyment out of the cat and mouse game aspect of EVE.
Quite simply though, if you really want PvP action, move to nullsec. Empire wardec griefers (ie those who pick on new players/corps) won't do this because they are the most cowardly punks you'll find, and make great targets for real PvPers (ie those who actually want a challenge) themselves. There are plenty of corps out there who would be happy to pick a fight on your behalf if you would simply pay their wardec costs. Alternatively, an alliance based in your area that has players who seek out good PvP could be an option to join.
Either way, EVE is a multiplayer game. While it does allow spineless punks to grief new players, it opens up a whole lot of fun opportunities as a result too.
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Heptameron
Gallente Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.06 09:05:00 -
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I seem to remember there were a few pilots for hire that would not only train new to pvp corps the art of murder but also FC them during that training? Not sure if they are still about though.
But setting up clones in other close by stations and putting some fight ready ships there is always a good idea.
Find where they live and take the fight to them? Add them all to your contacts list so you know more or less how many are online if you are considering a fight?
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Sa'Shena
Amarr Nomad LLP Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2011.04.06 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Heptameron I seem to remember there were a few pilots for hire that would not only train new to pvp corps the art of murder but also FC them during that training?
Isn't that a service Agony Empire provides assuming you can afford it? PvP training courses and FC'ing lessons were two of the services they offered if I recall correctly. Still do, as far as I'm aware.
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ace Frehley on 06/04/2011 09:14:03 I would put 50% of your pilots in ew-ships like blackbirds and griffins and rest in some type of ship doing alot of damage. People in general hate fight people packing lot of jamming. So if you cant beat them you can always get them to a stalemate with electronic warfare
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Carey Amor
Amarr Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
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Posted - 2011.04.06 09:37:00 -
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You all could disband the corp and make it again. Id rather fight it out or make it boring for them though.
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Shang Ty
Caldari Intaki Armaments Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.04.06 10:20:00 -
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One option could be is if you really have no interest in PVP'ing them at all, is to have the CEO make a fresh toon and make that person CEO. Then the rest of your corp all either jump to another corp that you make (which of course does run the risk of a wardec), or just jump back into the npc corps. Then make a password protected channel so you can all communicate with one another, till the wardec ends. Disbanding the corp to avoid a wardec is considered an actionable offense, but players are free to leave without any issue. You could also try joining an alliance, that will increase the cost of a war, since they won't be able to just wardec you, but they will have to do the entire alliance instead. Any of the other solutions offered above are viable as well.
Sometimes the problem is there is a group of the high sec "grief" corps that wardec noob corbs and huge alliances, and they do tend to swap info on "who to wardec" amongst some of them. A while back I was apart of a small corp that once we had about 30 or so folks playing, were wardec'd every week - which got worse as the corp size grew. We ended up just joining a large 0.0 alliance and moving out there. It worked out quite well for us.
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Ventro69
Caldari Manson Family Corcoran State
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Posted - 2011.04.06 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ace Frehley Edited by: Ace Frehley on 06/04/2011 09:14:03 I would put 50% of your pilots in ew-ships like blackbirds and griffins and rest in some type of ship doing alot of damage. People in general hate fight people packing lot of jamming. So if you cant beat them you can always get them to a stalemate with electronic warfare
Yes. Always jam enemy ships on gates and stations so that they won't be aggro'd and can merely dock or jump.
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Razzor Death
Gallente Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.06 10:39:00 -
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Train everyone into Blackbirds as in Everyone, then train everyone into thoraxes and get a few people into a Exequror to run pubbie logistics ( can be all done in a week ).
[Thorax, Replace any T2 mod you cannot fit with T1] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II - this magstab can be swapped for a rep but I wouldn't. Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II - mix scrams and warp disruptor's Stasis Webifier II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S - Yes these are frigate sized guns.
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
5 of these Thoraxes with 4 Blackbirds and 2 Exequror's. Congratulations you now have something empire pubbie war decers do not, A competent gang set up. Enjoy killing everyone you are now a god amongst pubbies.
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steejans nix
Amarr 0beron Construct Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.06 11:36:00 -
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Griffens, Rifters and Thrashers Cheap and effective.
Blackbirds, Thorax, Ruptures and Arbitrators with a couple of tacklers are great as well once you getting the gist of it.
Just whatever you fight them in try to make it on you're terms and not undock or jump into them, keep cloaky or nuetral eye's on them and E-war them to reduce their effectivness, scram, web, jamm them, tracking distrupt turret boats and lay into them with the dps.
Go and have fun and learn pvp now not in the future, the earlier you dip into pvp the less of a hurdle it is when you do.
Too many people wait till they got a big wallet and high skills, me being one of them......
Pvp is a mindset not a skillset and the sooner you learn it the easier it will be.
But please fight them if it is true that in the future you want to get into pvp. Encourage people if they do want to fight and don't get discouraged at the losses, just learn, also once the war is over it may be worth a convo or two to the people who declared war on you to ask them for advice or tips on what to do next time, you may be suprised on how helpful people can be if you keep smack to a minimum and take it in good spirits, they could even be future blues.........
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Misanth
Amarr RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vyncent Darlandra We've been entirely PvE with the hopes of eventually getting skilled enough to go PvP
That's your first mistake. If you plan to stick to pure PvE, then you should also consider that you will make significantly more money than combat characters, so if you refuse to integrate yourself with the PvP environment - you have to pay others to do it for you, or run.
Originally by: Vyncent Darlandra Now, I understand war is an aspect of the game, but i'm having trouble understanding how my game play is being dictated by other people.
You contradict yourself. Yes, war is an aspect of the game. And if "your game play" does not integrate with war, then you are the one trying to dictate gameplay on others. Either you adapt, or you run, or quit.
Originally by: Vyncent Darlandra Suggestions, ideas, or is this the game that I'm paying for? I thought Hi-sec was supposed to be relatively safe if you wanted it to be...otherwise whats the point of even having security levels when you can legally be pirated?
This make you sound like a troll, and if so, this was a decent attempt tbh. But I'll play nice for once.. so you got the responses above, and also this;
Yes, this is the game you are paying for. Highsec is what you say, "relatively" safe. War is an intended game mechanic, else it would not be there. You have to learn to handle it, or you're not fit in EVE. And today, it's alot more safe in high- then it ever has been before.
"legally be pirated". No. Wars are sanctioned by Concord if you follow the rules set. You had a 24h warning beforehand, and you can chose to fight, run, stay in station, hire mercenaries, etc. There's no piracy involved whatsoever. If you bother to go to low- and nullsec you will realise why highsec is considered relatively safe.
At the end of the day, there's basicly four routes you can chose: * Harden up and learn to fight. It does not take X amount of skillpoints, as people posted above you can easily fight with very little combat training. A missionrunner has most of the basics anyway. * Use the isk you make that combat characters don't. Hire mercenaries. * Quit the game. * Flee.
..oh, and a fifth option: you could integrate yourself with the PvP-environment, since it's quite a significant part of this game. Either by recruiting combat characters, pay them or give them access to cheap modules to keep them happy. Or join an alliance, and supply them with something beneficial from your PvE environment. -
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Lt Al3x3i
Minmatar ROMANIA Renegades ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:44:00 -
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quit eve do not let them kill u Pac pac |
MrCaptAwsm
Caldari Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:11:00 -
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deal w/it nerd
welcome to eve online
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Gicer
Gallente Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:13:00 -
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My first suggestion is to learn what paragraphs are.
My second is to stop trolling CAOD
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Capricorn 0ne
Caldari Heaven's Army Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Al3x3i quit eve do not let them kill u
Lt Al3x3i I see you are board during DT as well! Lolz I also agree. Better to have pve'd and won to than to have pvp'd and lost amiright?!
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Calfis
Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gicer
My second is to stop trolling CAOD
What?
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Capricorn 0ne
Caldari Heaven's Army Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Calfis
Originally by: Gicer
My second is to stop trolling CAOD
What?
I for one was unaware that CAOD was anything but trolling RUST GSBG 2LGT2QT |
Corimaer Niminen
Amarr All Canadian Contraband
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:54:00 -
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Join an alliance with a PVP corp in it and then appeal to that corp to help you out. PVPers are always spoiling for a fight.
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Misanth
Amarr RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.04.06 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Corimaer Niminen Join an alliance with a PVP corp in it and then appeal to that corp to help you out. PVPers are always spoiling for a fight.
BUT BUT THAT MIGHT INTERFR WIF DEM PROFITZ -
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Razzor Death
Gallente Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.06 15:35:00 -
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We nearly had the 1st noob friendly informative thread on CAOD.
Nearly
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Deen Wispa
Gallente Pilots of Epic Roughneck Regulators
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Deen Wispa on 06/04/2011 18:49:14
Originally by: Razzor Death We nearly had the 1st noob friendly informative thread on CAOD.
Nearly
True that.
Like life, Eve is a game where someone imposes their will upon you or you impose your will upon them. How much willpower do you have? Some options;
-Join an alliance -Wait it out a week and bore them to death. AFK in station, etc... Most wardecs end in a week. -Do what others suggested above. -Make friends outside of your corp. Get neutral RR.
The real cost to most newbie corps isn't the lost of ships but the loss of morale and corpies who quit on you. It is your job as CEO to lead with conviction and raise morale. This is where most good CEOs show their wit and grit. Most CEOs of newbie corps can't withstand 2 wardecs before they have to fold operations. In that case, I'm kinda glad because there's way too many corps being launched everyday by CEOs who don't know what they're doing. Survival of the fittest, as they say.
Best advice I can give is that whatever plans you have for your corp; don't expect it to occur with such fluidity. War happens. All. The. Time. It is naive to believe hisec is safe. Quite frankly, I find living in a WH or lowsec to be safer than the griefers and gankers in hisec. There's a saying about hisec wardeccers; They don't want to fight you. They want to gank you. Know the difference and mitigate against this inevitibility.
Wisdom by Wispa; "In Empire, there are only two types of corps; those who can defend themselves. And those who can't." Which are you?
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Vyncent Darlandra
Gallente Immortals Coalition INC
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Posted - 2011.04.06 23:53:00 -
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Thanks a lot for the advice from the helpfully minded. We're attempting to fight for sure, and several members had already started running down the blackbird path. It's good to know we were headed in the right direction. We're definitely trying to make some friends in some alliances now as being alone is now showing its downside, so again thanks for the confirmation, it's appreciated.
To the others (note the paragraph btw...you know who you are)...while this was partially a complaint, it was obviously (in my eyes at least) a request for advice for a path to pursue. Several of you offered little other than derision in your posts, and that was neither needed nor appreciated. Please, if you do not feel that someone will walk away from your post with either a lightbulb going off or a warm fuzzy, leave it be.
Again to the first several who truly provided useful info, you are greatly thanked and appreciated. Fly safe everyone. (That was 3 paragraphs btw)
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.07 01:09:00 -
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NP dood, best to tackle these war decing peeps head on. Having up to date intel is key though, and having a cloaky ship (any ship with a cloak on it will do, like a speed tanked vigil) sitting right beside them is best
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Sabbat Martyr
Caldari Exsilium Militaris Exiled Collective
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Vyncent Darlandra
To the others (note the paragraph btw...you know who you are)...while this was partially a complaint, it was obviously (in my eyes at least) a request for advice for a path to pursue. Several of you offered little other than derision in your posts, and that was neither needed nor appreciated. Please, if you do not feel that someone will walk away from your post with either a lightbulb going off or a warm fuzzy, leave it be.
This is COAD. Nothing is sacred and nothing is ever left alone.
'The views that I express are mine and mine alone. Not my corps', nor my alliance if applicable.'
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Lothar Krellum
Minmatar Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.04.12 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lothar Krellum on 12/04/2011 16:36:06
Originally by: Razzor Death Train everyone into Blackbirds as in Everyone, then train everyone into thoraxes and get a few people into a Exequror to run pubbie logistics ( can be all done in a week ).
[Thorax, Replace any T2 mod you cannot fit with T1] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II - this magstab can be swapped for a rep but I wouldn't. Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II - mix scrams and warp disruptor's Stasis Webifier II
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S - Yes these are frigate sized guns.
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
5 of these Thoraxes with 4 Blackbirds and 2 Exequror's. Congratulations you now have something empire pubbie war decers do not, A competent gang set up. Enjoy killing everyone you are now a god amongst pubbies.
Yes, Thorax is probably the best PVP ship in game for budget fighting. They are cheap and can deal a fair amount of damage. I'd drop the web for a racial ECM. Let me show you what a bunch of T1 Cruisers can do to an Elite PVP force. Some of you older Eve players may know where i'm going with this. Enjoy:) I never get bored of this video. Linkage
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ChaeDoc II
Gallente Sigillum Militum Xpisti Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.04.12 16:52:00 -
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Every now and then there comes a thread on CAOD where new people are asking for advise and we actually get a mature response from the residents and my faith in my fellow EVE players is restored...
...before being snapped back to reality.
Originally by: MrCaptAwsm deal w/it nerd
welcome to eve online
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Trivas
Caldari Nexus Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2011.04.12 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lothar Krellum Edited by: Lothar Krellum on 12/04/2011 16:36:06 Yes, Thorax is probably the best PVP ship in game for budget fighting. They are cheap and can deal a fair amount of damage. I'd drop the web for a racial ECM. Let me show you what a bunch of T1 Cruisers can do to an Elite PVP force. Some of you older Eve players may know where i'm going with this. Enjoy:) I never get bored of this video. Linkage
That was a great day.
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Kingston Black
Gallente Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.04.21 11:35:00 -
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Great advice to newbies in here, and not much trolling im shocked :D
One piece of advice i can give is it's always a trap ;) Train up alts to use cloaky frigs on the free slots on your accounts and keep them in the newbie corps. Whenever you see a wartarget hanging there on a gate etc. send the scout in first (and try not to be obvious) it will 99% of time be a trap.
Also try you own traps. One idea would be to get a guy in a heavily tanked ship to sit at a safespot in system and warp all your other guys to him and log out.
Wait for the wardeccers to probe you out and tackle the bait then log everyone in for lol fun time. Just make sure the bait has lotsa tank and lotsa tackle Ie. a triple repping myrmadon or a heavily trimarked ship do a battleclinic search for fitting ideas ;)
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StuRyan
Caldari Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.21 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: StuRyan on 21/04/2011 11:51:55 I agree with this too, however this is actually a way to practice PVP-ing. I am not so sure if this may fall under greifing - i feat not for you.
See this is my opinion too, why live in 0.0 when you can have instant pew pew in empire for a small price of the war which quite possibly is reimbursed by your victims loot.? good luck mate - may be try to inherit some pew pew players into your corp?
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