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Korvan Hraldir Davanev
Silver and Gold Enterpises
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:00:00 -
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Grounded today by a software upgrade to the ships sysstems so I thought I would pass a little time by posing a qustion one of my staff asked me.
End of a firefight, down to your last bullet, 3 fleeing targets and no time to reload
a) Amarrian Bishop b) Ammatar Admiral c) Cartel Slave ring boss
Only time and ammo to finish one of them. Who gets your last bullet?
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Anabella Rella
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Anabella Rella on 06/04/2011 16:06:50 One can never go wrong with taking out a slaver and especially a member of their corrupt theocracy, so I would choose Option A.
One less member of the lying ruling class to poison the minds of the young and impressionable or those who might otherwise be reachable via a message of reason.
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Sakura Imoru
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:15:00 -
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b) Ammatar Admiral
Might see the errors of his way like so many others of the Nefantar tribe did 3 years ago, so let him go, since there is still hope left.
c) Cartel Slave Ring Boss
He may be a slaver as well, but at least he is honest about his motivations: Power and money.
So my bullet will be shot at the
a) Amarrian Bishop.
Those lying bastards who want to make us believe that their form of slavery is actually beneficial for the rest of the cluster and have nothing to do with economical interests or political power must be extinguished.
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Borza Slavak
Minmatar Universal Army
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:16:00 -
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Whichever looks to be most difficult to hit with a thrown knife.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:19:00 -
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When the last bullet is a round of Phased Plasma L...I'd imagine you can just about hit all three.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:22:00 -
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Disgraceful.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Tiara Demir
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Tiara Demir on 06/04/2011 16:23:20
Originally by: Korvan Hraldir Davanev Grounded today by a software upgrade to the ships sysstems so I thought I would pass a little time by posing a qustion one of my staff asked me.
End of a firefight, down to your last bullet, 3 fleeing targets and no time to reload
a) Amarrian Bishop b) Ammatar Admiral c) Cartel Slave ring boss
Only time and ammo to finish one of them. Who gets your last bullet?
The admiral is the only military target on that list, so I go with it. Not that making actual angels out of the Cartel is in any way shape or form doing less good for the cluster.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:32:00 -
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Ammatar Admiral gets my bullet.
Join the Revolution!
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rek Jaiga When the last bullet is a round of Phased Plasma L...I'd imagine you can just about hit all three.
What kind of weapon are you packing 'round the house?
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Alica Wildfire
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:40:00 -
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The correct enemy who deserves the bullet is the Amarr. Because with no Empire there are no turncoats and collaborators. They are just the symptom, not the evil itself. Corruption and crime will always be. So the Cartel is a problem we will deal with later.
But in fact if I only have a last bullet my choice would be to direct it to the target that I can finish off with this most efficiently. It depends on distance to the target, the ammunition that is loaded and the transversal speed of the target. As well as the economic and strategical value of the target.
If it's a Dramiel, I'll kill the Dramiel. If it's a Amarr Navy Slicer I kill the Slicer. To oneshot anything else but pirate or navy frigates is most unlikely. Maybe if it's an electronic attack frigate I shoot it for the rich salvage value and the lack of hull stability and armor. I won't waste my last shot on a bit of armor and a enemy that is coming away from this with just a last scratch. And then it's of secondary importance who is sitting in the cockpit. (Cockpit, the only part of a ship censored by IGS.)
It is important to give the enemy the maximum of destruction and loss of money. When you do this and keep the thing rational it's the way of a warrior. When you start to let your emotions carry away your duty then you have already lost the fight.
Kill. But kill smart. -- FREEDOM, PUNK & AUTOCANNONS
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Huran Kai
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:46:00 -
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I would say D) Corrupt Gallentean Politician.
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Ketach
Minmatar Federal Investigations Agency
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:50:00 -
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It's well known that the Amarr can't navigate and Ammatar are too stupid to dodge so, I would cut the escape route of the Amarrian Bishop so he is forced to fly into the Ammatar Admiral and then shoot the Cartel Boss with the last bullet.
Call for help for looting.
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Driselle
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aiwha Edited by: Aiwha on 06/04/2011 16:54:36
Originally by: Rek Jaiga When the last bullet is a round of Phased Plasma L...I'd imagine you can just about hit all three.
What kind of hand cannon are you packing 'round the house?
You should see the gun that Syn has to check every time we go to the club!
And I'm going to say the Amarr. The Cartel is simply making money, and the General has no choice in the matter. The Amarr is someone directly responsible for both the Cartel having the trade and giving the General orders. So **** them.
-Driselle, Proud Matari Capsuleer
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:11:00 -
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I've found that bomb launchers solve this problem quite elegantly.
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Korvan Hraldir Davanev
Silver and Gold Enterpises
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake Disgraceful.
Glad you think so - adds to the entertainment value
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:26:00 -
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This is an interesting question, especially with the presence of a Cartel boss. The common theme between all three is, of course, slavery and the people who've answered already have focused on this - Jade's answer directed more at the self-imposed slavery of the Ammatar Admiral, I imagine.
What strikes me, though, is the fundamental difference between the Cartel boss and the other two. While Amarrian Bishops and Ammatar Admirals both support the idea of enslaving Minmatar, they do it because they feel it is the right thing to do. They support it because they believe they have a holy mission to uplift the heathen, as it were. They would support slavery if they were the last people in the cluster who felt that way. They would support slavery if there were only a single heathen left.
The Cartel boss, on the other hand, supports slavery for an entirely different reason. The Cartel boss supports it because of customers. Because there's simply so damn much money to be made from slavery.
That's really the trick. If you want to stop the Bishop or the Admiral from supporting slavery, you have to convince (or shoot) them. If you want to stop the Cartel from supporting slavery, you have to convince (or shoot) their customers. If no one was willing to pay the Cartel for slaves, there would be no Cartel slavers.
Maybe option "c" should really be "slave owner"...
"You've got a friend in the Cartel"
Bio and writing
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Zangorus
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:37:00 -
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I love the smell of execution in the morning
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Korvan Hraldir Davanev
Silver and Gold Enterpises
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Korvan Hraldir Davanev on 06/04/2011 17:45:32 Edited by: Korvan Hraldir Davanev on 06/04/2011 17:44:25
Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi The Cartel boss supports it because of customers. Because there's simply so damn much money to be made from slavery.
That's really the trick. If you want to stop the Bishop or the Admiral from supporting slavery, you have to convince (or shoot) them. If you want to stop the Cartel from supporting slavery, you have to convince (or shoot) their customers. If no one was willing to pay the Cartel for slaves, there would be no Cartel slavers.
[\quote] Elementary economics tells me that if I increase the cost of slave trading (by increasing the probability of capture and painful death) then the number of people willing to supply slaves at any given price will fall as will the number of slaves traded. So shooting the cartel boss would not end slavery but it might rhelp reduce it.
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Diana Kim
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:47:00 -
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Oh no, poor matari woman!
*looks through lens at Jade Constantine*
What have gallentes made with you? They not only infested your mind, but also changed your body to look like them!
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Blaqsunshine
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:06:00 -
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I would choose the Amarrian Bishop as it would be a means of ending the pulpit propaganda.
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Nikita Alterana
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Korvan Hraldir Davanev 3 fleeing targets
c) Cartel Slave ring boss
Only time and ammo to finish one of them.
Why would I be fleeing again?
*Nikita grins, barring her fangs slightly*
And only one shot left? Tsk Tsk. I don't think that situation would end the way you think it would.
That aside, Kaika's right. There's no moral reason for me behind slavery. I do it because its cheap labour, and because people will pay good money for slaves, shooting at me does nothing but bring the rest of the folks who want cheap labour down ontop of you. So shoot the Amarrian, he's the one who dragged his stupid religion into the whole mess.
Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:16:00 -
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The Amarrian bishop, and I would aim "to wound".
I would then introduce him to Vitoc.
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Jev North
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Korvan Hraldir Davanev Elementary economics tells me that if I increase the cost of slave trading (by increasing the probability of capture and painful death) then the number of people willing to supply slaves at any given price will fall as will the number of slaves traded. So shooting the cartel boss would not end slavery but it might rhelp reduce it.
Indeed! The viability of this sort of approach is exemplified by the combined Empires' campaign against booster use. By criminalising use and trade, and spending a good chunk of national revenue combating the supply side of the equation, they have succeeded in very nearly eradicating them. As opposed to, say, hitting a balance point where constant demand and limited supply makes prices rise through the roof, encouraging people to trade despite the risks.
I hear this on GalNet news every day. Very nearly gone. Just a little more money invested in policing, and some more modest restrictions on personal freedom, and next year your kids will be safe from the menace. Honest.
Shoot the Cardinal.
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Koronakesh
Amarr Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:24:00 -
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I think it's a bit unnecessarily restrictive to limit this question to just other Matari, isn't it? Or is that the only perspective you're interested in?
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Korvan Hraldir Davanev
Silver and Gold Enterpises
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Korvan Hraldir Davanev on 06/04/2011 18:30:46
Originally by: Koronakesh I think it's a bit unnecessarily restrictive to limit this question to just other Matari, isn't it? Or is that the only perspective you're interested in?
My initial thought was that the topic would mostly interest other Matari but if you want to take a pot shot at any of my targets then please feel free.
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ValentinaDLM
Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:32:00 -
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c) Cartel Slave ring boss Would be my answer of course. While I would shoot all of them, given the chance, I would usually prioritize amarr/ammatar as the least important for me to kill, as I at least understand them.
Quote: End of a firefight, down to your last bullet,
Am I the only one who enjoys the irony that the Amarrian ships, using lasers wouldn't have to make this choice?
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Jev North
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: ValentinaDLM While I would shoot all of them, given the chance, I would usually prioritize amarr/ammatar as the least important for me to kill, as I at least understand them.
Mm. Xenophobia. So sad. Hardly uncommon, but somehow I'd hoped for a different sort of mental approach -- especially given the alliance ticker you're sporting.
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Koronakesh
Amarr Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Korvan Hraldir Davanev
Originally by: Koronakesh I think it's a bit unnecessarily restrictive to limit this question to just other Matari, isn't it? Or is that the only perspective you're interested in?
My initial thought was that the topic would mostly interest other Matari but if you want to take a pot shot at any of my targets then please feel free.
Gracious of you, cheers.
In that case, Cartel boss it is.
Assuming the Bishop is truly devout and relatively free from the corruption that accompanies his position..... He may very well be wrong in his beliefs, but he believes his position is right, and is acting accordingly. He is doing what he considers best for God's children. He is acting in accordance with the teachings of his faith. He's not an evil person, even if what he serves is a mistaken path.
The Ammatar Admiral is, again assuming free from the corruption of his position and devout in his faith, a loyal servant of an albeit mistaken direction. He keeps his people free from harm and safe from immediate danger, their status of Holder, commoner, artisan, foreigner or slave not-withstanding. He is not an evil man, and is serving in an integral role in his society.
The separation is that both of those men or women are contributing to the society's values and maintenance. The cartel member is a parasite of that society. They contribute nothing to it, and only leech from it. There is no value in their existence, and no redeeming quality to what they do. Where the Admiral and Bishop may be acting for something greater (in their own senses), the Cartel boss is not. There is only the watering of their fields of profit by the tears of the suffering that their business brings. "It's just business" is not a sufficient reason for this moral degradation.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:01:00 -
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All three of them, and an arbitrarily large hemispherical slice of the ground they're standing on.
I fly a goddamn starship, son. Groundpounding's for the marines. ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:01:00 -
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Cartel boss for bounty ISKs.
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