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cowboy curtis
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Posted - 2011.04.07 01:40:00 -
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Edited by: cowboy curtis on 07/04/2011 01:41:12 Edited by: cowboy curtis on 07/04/2011 01:40:51 well it true this patch it meant to kill all small alliance in 0.0. So you are wondering why well because the only you make profit know is -0.5 to -1.0 and well guess who have those red alliance, rage , razor ect.. i wont get into but this thread is to stop ccp before it is to late oh wait it already is to late.
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Herrring
Amarr National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.04.07 01:42:00 -
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There are small alliances left in sov 0.0 space?
Renters don't count.
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Brother ThantosXI
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:18:00 -
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Well, come back to Empire BTXI |
aetherguy881
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:21:00 -
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So this year CCP introduced a new goal, the goal to deliver. Does this mean that CCP should forget what it's previous goals were. Each goal should build up to the next.
Unfortunately CCP has done what they said they would do: Deliver. What they didn't do was deliver a product worth delivering.
Before launch, right after the announcing dev. blog there were hundreds of replies against this "update." I have heard many more complaints off of the forum as well.
They've apparently been ignored.
What have the CSM done? Well apparently due to the fact that this was during a transition period, the CSM are "at their weakest" and couldn't influence the dev's ultimatum decisions.
Speaking of ultimate decisions, many ihubs that have been upgraded for anom's are now completely useless compared to those in "desired space."
Take STLR for example, O-CNPR has been upgraded so we've had the 2 sanctums and 2 havens. As of now, since O-C has a true security status of -.23 the upgrades are useless.
Are alliances going to be able to rearrange their ihubs to tailor their systems to their current potentials? Are they going to get reimbursed? After all there were reimbursements for un-needed skill books with the learning skill drop.
If you think it's going to promote smaller alliances (apparently what CCP has been gunning for) and force the larger alliances to relocate to their lower sec systems... IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK!
The large alliances and coalitions are already established. They have the ratting to make isk, they have enough tech moons that technetium is seeping out of their pores. They don't necessarily need the "choice" systems to make their isk anymore, however are not going to just give them up. The large alliances are there because they have power. To have power and flex your muscles, you need space. The smaller alliances won't have a chance, unless they become friendly with a larger alliance(s) and thus the same problem will continue.
Renting comes to mind, but then again, who really controls the system? When you don't pay they piper, just like CCP/CONCORD, you will lose your sov.
The bigger power blocks will always have their space. Every once in a while a bigger block will break a smaller block. Case in point; the recent Fountain conflict, and we all know how that ended.
Hypothetically speaking, if TEST wanted Apotheosis of Virtue out of fountain, they could steam roll right over them without so much of an afterthought. The same goes for any smaller alliance that is within any coalition. It's no different than a weak corp in an alliance or a weak player in a corporation, the small and the weak will get weeded out.
If CCP wants people back in highsec, let the politics work their magic and send them back (or to lowsec for that matter).
If you want small alliances to succeed, just let them play in NPC nullsec. It's a great stepping stone before the wonderful world of sov. blobs and the politics that come with it as well. If they want it a bit harder but without the sov. bills, they can try the NPC pockets.
Also, if players wanted to be in one of these larger alliances so they can have access to their ratting capabilities, it's very possible to get in. Heck, with the number of spys that have infiltrated various coalitions, it couldn't be that hard for someone to even change corps just for some of that space, thus fueling the fact that the larger alliances will still have their space.
Take current events for example. Geminate and Vale of the Silent, whomever takes the space at the end of this, however it ends up. No small alliance will take a small pocket or a single system worth of any value and hold it for any time worth speaking of. The conquering coalition will reclaim all of the systems in the regions and divvy the spoils amongst the alliances within.
TLDR: You're not helping the smaller alliances. You're not hurting the larger alliances. You're hurting the individual nullsec player. You've broken nullsec again. ------------------- Always remember this about EVE:
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:21:00 -
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smaller allaince's existed before and they will exist into the future, making isk is not he primary motivating factor for most people living out there.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: sableye smaller allaince's existed before and they will exist into the future, making isk is not he primary motivating factor for most people living out there.
i agree 100% but people do need enough to earn a couple bc a month in the time they can commit to the game if they play in a large part because they like the pvp element.
Isk per hour includes the hours spend moving crap back and forth etc.. most ancillary activities related to getting that bc or two a casual player needs.
Maybe (maybe not certainly and certainly not "Diomedes thinks"..more like "a sane person who sees things differently than me might hold this other opinion slightly in contrast to my own") theres a reason to limmit the higher limmits of ratting revenue per character via some cap concord pays on bounties and starts giving you medals (worthless) instead to recognize yoru service.
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Selinate
Amarr Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:37:00 -
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quit your *****ing and admire my tats.
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Dr Richard Dawkins
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
Originally by: sableye smaller allaince's existed before and they will exist into the future, making isk is not he primary motivating factor for most people living out there.
i agree 100% but people do need enough to earn a couple bc a month in the time they can commit to the game if they play in a large part because they like the pvp element.
Isk per hour includes the hours spend moving crap back and forth etc.. most ancillary activities related to getting that bc or two a casual player needs.
Maybe (maybe not certainly and certainly not "Diomedes thinks"..more like "a sane person who sees things differently than me might hold this other opinion slightly in contrast to my own") theres a reason to limmit the higher limmits of ratting revenue per character via some cap concord pays on bounties and starts giving you medals (worthless) instead to recognize yoru service.
If you can't make enough isk to replace a BC in a few hours ANYWHERE (1.0 to 0.0) then you are absolutely incompetent.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Men Who Stare At Gates
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:40:00 -
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Quote: Before launch, right after the announcing dev. blog there were hundreds of replies against this "update."
There were also a lot of "Do-Its"
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Richard Dawkins
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
Originally by: sableye smaller allaince's existed before and they will exist into the future, making isk is not he primary motivating factor for most people living out there.
i agree 100% but people do need enough to earn a couple bc a month in the time they can commit to the game if they play in a large part because they like the pvp element.
Isk per hour includes the hours spend moving crap back and forth etc.. most ancillary activities related to getting that bc or two a casual player needs.
Maybe (maybe not certainly and certainly not "Diomedes thinks"..more like "a sane person who sees things differently than me might hold this other opinion slightly in contrast to my own") theres a reason to limmit the higher limmits of ratting revenue per character via some cap concord pays on bounties and starts giving you medals (worthless) instead to recognize yoru service.
If you can't make enough isk to replace a BC in a few hours ANYWHERE (1.0 to 0.0) then you are absolutely incompetent.
A fit drake in 0.0 costs about 80 million.. i hear all sorts of numbers battered around but, the reality is much more like 20 million isk per hour doing anomolies than 50... you might make 50 form a one hour anomolie but it will take you an hour to get starteed and an hour to wrapt things up etc
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Kazini Jax
Gallente Starlight Operations Starlight Network
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:46:00 -
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Cause we needed yet another thread of this whining.
When you express yourself in such a poor way, what you say means little.
QQ
Leave.. please.
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Herrring
Amarr National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
Originally by: Dr Richard Dawkins
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
Originally by: sableye smaller allaince's existed before and they will exist into the future, making isk is not he primary motivating factor for most people living out there.
i agree 100% but people do need enough to earn a couple bc a month in the time they can commit to the game if they play in a large part because they like the pvp element.
Isk per hour includes the hours spend moving crap back and forth etc.. most ancillary activities related to getting that bc or two a casual player needs.
Maybe (maybe not certainly and certainly not "Diomedes thinks"..more like "a sane person who sees things differently than me might hold this other opinion slightly in contrast to my own") theres a reason to limmit the higher limmits of ratting revenue per character via some cap concord pays on bounties and starts giving you medals (worthless) instead to recognize yoru service.
If you can't make enough isk to replace a BC in a few hours ANYWHERE (1.0 to 0.0) then you are absolutely incompetent.
A fit drake in 0.0 costs about 80 million.. i hear all sorts of numbers battered around but, the reality is much more like 20 million isk per hour doing anomolies than 50... you might make 50 form a one hour anomolie but it will take you an hour to get starteed and an hour to wrapt things up etc
If you are paying 80 mil per drake you are getting ripped off by your alliance mates.
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BeachParty
Caldari Semi Precious
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:57:00 -
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Quote: If you are paying 80 mil per drake you are getting ripped off by your alliance mates.
I honestly could not agree more! As a market enthusiast, I would have to recommend that you stop shooting NPC's and start selling Drakes. God CCP the best griefers, they make me smile.
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Dr Richard Dawkins
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Herrring
If you are paying 80 mil per drake you are getting ripped off by your alliance mates.
This.
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Alonzo Harris
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: aetherguy881 I'm Mittani's Spindoctor
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:14:00 -
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here is a hint.
maybe the smaller renter alliances should start talking to each other, get blue to each other and merge their alliances to a larger one and start competing with the larger alliances.
oh wait that requires effort. n/m nothing to see here move along
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:15:00 -
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For years, all we heard from 0.0 pilots was "risk must balance reward", and numerous other variations on that theme. Mostly, that prattle was aimed at mission running in Empire.
So I guess CCP took you guys at your word. I imagine, at least some of the time, the best True Sec will be hotly contested space...gangs everywhere...very risky...but, of course, the best rewards from those Sanctums and Havens for those who survive.
So there's your "risk and reward". Oh, <gasp!> the irony.
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Stinko McCoy
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Selinate quit your *****ing and admire my tats.
I'd do you
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk here is a hint.
maybe the smaller renter alliances should start talking to each other, get blue to each other and merge their alliances to a larger one and start competing with the larger alliances.
oh wait that requires effort. n/m nothing to see here move along
It would also fail.....
No matter how much CCP wants to believe there is no way the smaller alliances can take on the larger ones. It is not just a lack of manpower, it is a lack of supercaps...
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