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Trader Forrest Parvi
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:23:00 -
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Just took my Raven through Gurista's Extravaganza, and boy do I notice a difference in the jamming. The second spawn in the last required room (before the bonus) was so bad that I was unable to keep a lock long enough to sick my drones on the sabateours. The spawn consists of 3 jamming battleships and 4 jamming frigates, and with normal Raven sensor strength I'd have to say it is next to impossible to kill these guys solo now. I fit a backup array and it seems to have help a bit, but I'm still getting jammed now more than ever. Anyone else experiencing this?
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Relikio
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Posted - 2011.04.07 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Relikio on 07/04/2011 10:29:14 Trouble in a Raven? Try using a marauder, it's impossible.
Finally the missions got harder(at least the gurista ones). I welcome this change, believe it or not.
Now, what about the rest of them? |
Bantros
Noir.
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:09:00 -
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Just as bad in the in The Assault, had to use an ECCM and was still getting jammed a lot. It doesn't even make the mission harder, just takes longer because you can't actually do anything. Annoying indeed
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Mavnas
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:25:00 -
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And this is why I don't run missions against the Guristas.
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Turelus on 07/04/2011 13:10:00 Noticed this last night with my alt's Loki. I was just running highsec anoms to pass time and spent a good four minuets jammed. I guess every mission ship will be needing ECCM now.
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Holdout
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Relikio Edited by: Relikio on 07/04/2011 10:29:14 Trouble in a Raven? Try using a marauder, it's impossible.
Finally the missions got harder(at least the gurista ones). I welcome this change, believe it or not.
Now, what about the rest of them?
Never being able to hold a lock for more than 1-2 seconds doesn't make the mission harder, it makes it unbearably annoying.
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Nerana Saldana
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:15:00 -
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Raven? Have you tried the FOF missiles?
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Kerowyn's
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Kerowyn''s on 07/04/2011 13:16:50 or drones or gasp, both ?
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Donkytron
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:29:00 -
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if you're in a raven, just fit FOF's
golem pilots are screwed but you can always use a NM instead. Just one more way pirate bs's are better than t2's that take 10x the training time to fly
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Drelond Darez
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:19:00 -
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Started the assault last night, perma-jammed, so bailed out, sold my Paladin now and bought a nightmare. Hope its better!
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Linda Shadowborn
Gallente Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Drelond Darez Started the assault last night, perma-jammed, so bailed out, sold my Paladin now and bought a nightmare. Hope its better!
Good luck, i gave up on a tengu with what 68 sensor strength (dissolution sub and ECCM). Domi cleared it fine though. :)
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2011.04.09 23:50:00 -
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Have run The Assault three times since the change. Jammed once first time, once last time, twice the second. Tengu with dissolution sequencer and two ECCMs, 115.1 sensor strength. ______________________________________________________ PVP is a question that has no one right answer but a lot of wrong ones. - Aelana Anais
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ViceAdmiral Callahan
Caldari Boogie Monsters
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Posted - 2011.04.11 02:08:00 -
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So how much are those tengu's again these days? Even the belt rats are unbearable. 3bs with 3 frigs and a 37 point sensor strength and I was perma-jamed with out end.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.04.11 02:37:00 -
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Hmmm .. chruker's site is showing Pith Eliminator with 5 Grav jam str (Database: Incursion 1.4 (246350)). Data from the logserver I took on the 8th (a few days back) show Pith Eliminator as having 3 Grav jam str.
This is getting curiouser. /me goes to find a new Pith Eliminator.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2011.04.11 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: ViceAdmiral Callahan So how much are those tengu's again these days? Even the belt rats are unbearable. 3bs with 3 frigs and a 37 point sensor strength and I was perma-jamed with out end.
Haven't priced one recently, but probably ~500 million for the hull and five subsystems you need. Fittings are up to you; ECCM is cheap but the other stuff may not be. ______________________________________________________ PVP is a question that has no one right answer but a lot of wrong ones. - Aelana Anais
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Tasler Wenstron
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.04.11 06:48:00 -
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Just did The Assault last night in my Tengu whit 35 sensor strength and I got jammed 19 times, normally I would only get jammed 3-6 times in this mission, it was horrible annoying. So yea they're secretly buffing rats
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Talsha Talamar
Amarr Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2011.04.11 15:48:00 -
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NPC-EWAR is based on entirely different mechanics than Player-EWAR, it is entirely chancebased (chance per cycle) without regards to sensor/jamming-strength. ECCM therefore does not help at all.
Unless they chanced the mechanics sometime during the last few months.
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Nathan Wynn
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Posted - 2011.04.11 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Trader Forrest Parvi Just took my Raven through Gurista's Extravaganza, and boy do I notice a difference in the jamming. The second spawn in the last required room (before the bonus) was so bad that I was unable to keep a lock long enough to sick my drones on the sabateours. The spawn consists of 3 jamming battleships and 4 jamming frigates, and with normal Raven sensor strength I'd have to say it is next to impossible to kill these guys solo now. I fit a backup array and it seems to have help a bit, but I'm still getting jammed now more than ever. Anyone else experiencing this?
I ran it just fine last night, though I suppose using a Gila and launching sentries helps. Although I did notice an increase in the amount of time being jammed.
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Nuneval
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Talsha Talamar NPC-EWAR is based on entirely different mechanics than Player-EWAR, it is entirely chancebased (chance per cycle) without regards to sensor/jamming-strength. ECCM therefore does not help at all.
Unless they chanced the mechanics sometime during the last few months.
The entire point of this thread is that people are getting jammed more after Incursion 1.4 due to the change in NPC jamming mechanics, and that the efficacy of ECCMs on anything but a Tengu is pitiful.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.11 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Talsha Talamar NPC-EWAR is based on entirely different mechanics than Player-EWAR, it is entirely chancebased (chance per cycle) without regards to sensor/jamming-strength. ECCM therefore does not help at all.
Incorrect. It was empirically proven that NPC jamming was affected by sensor strength. link to thread
Post patch, we really need someone to repeat Sturmwolke's experiment and to see what the LogServer reveals about NPC jamming.
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CCP Big Dumb Object
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:09:00 -
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We are currently looking into recent issues with NPC jamming in missions/complexes. Thanks for your patience.
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Guilliman R
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object We are currently looking into recent issues with NPC jamming in missions/complexes. Thanks for your patience.
Let me guess, noone tested it or you refused to listen to the testers. If it's broken it shouldn't get on TQ. ------
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Cyberus
Caldari Final Destination.
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object We are currently looking into recent issues with NPC jamming in missions/complexes. Thanks for your patience.
Tbh i was hopping for respond like that. ===== * Your signature file is broken. Please use one that will display - Fallout |
namelessclone01
Caldari blackbox ops
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Posted - 2011.04.11 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Talsha Talamar NPC-EWAR is based on entirely different mechanics than Player-EWAR, it is entirely chancebased (chance per cycle) without regards to sensor/jamming-strength. ECCM therefore does not help at all.
Unless they chanced the mechanics sometime during the last few months.
Reading patch notes and also actually trying ECCM (both before and after the latest patch) might have saved you from embarrassment of spouting clueless statements.. Nothing personal.
On topic: Just out of curiousity, I ran a GE after patch 1.4 in a Golem with 1 lowslot ECCM mod. 5th pocket took me 30 minutes, which is utterly ridiculous by any standards. Was being jammed for the first 10-15 minutes non-stop until i decided that enough is enough and put drones on aggressive to at least try and clear the jamming frigs. Naturally they were more happy to shoot triggers than the jamming frigs. Ended up having to tank 3 full spawns. I can only imagine the pain in the Assault..
tl;dr: Half of all Guristas missions are totally not worth doing in marauders since after the patch. This needs to be fixed.
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Lord Kreza
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Posted - 2011.04.11 21:24:00 -
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Just tried to do the The Assault with a CNR & Vargur, complete waste of time. Perma-jammed, please CCP fix this!
/carebear tears
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.04.11 22:11:00 -
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CCP Big Dumb Object: any chance the patch to remedy this mistake might make it to Sisi for a weekend before being unleashed upon the unsuspecting hordes on Tranquility?
-- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
ChiShen
Infinity Research
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Posted - 2011.04.12 00:32:00 -
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Lol i just did a guristas mission with a golem +nighthawk. Both got jammed so i switched to fof. I assisted the nighthawk with drones and for some reason the drones attacked eahc other and both ships were shooting each other with fof. It was pretty funny killing my own drones while i was jammed.
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Kuzzka
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Posted - 2011.04.12 00:51:00 -
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This change only waste players time. Mission i did before for 1 hour, takes now 2 just because of this stupid useless jamming ****.
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Halokus Tendari
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Posted - 2011.04.12 09:48:00 -
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Confirming that this is a huge problem, even in L1 missions *cough*.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.12 09:58:00 -
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take friends in with scorpions
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