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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.10 07:22:00 -
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I noticed that the same faces complaining about the neo neocom are the same people complaining about the new forums.
The worst part is the what they complain about.
I don't like the way it's shaped. my 50 pixels are too important. I don't like how it has less functions than the old one. No one said there was anything wrong with the UI/forums. I fear change
Functions? The neo necom and the new forums don't LACK anything of the old.
When the neo neocom was live on sisi no one playing had an issue with it it was just the vocal minatory with 4-8 accounts complaining.
when the new forums went into beta there was a 10 page thread of SINGLE account people saying, wow CCP this is awesome! and there were reasonable requests like "please consider this or this" And they listened.
However there is a large number of people on the forums, how actually make up a very VERY small % of the community, who are making a huge rukus and holding back eve online.
I wouldn't be so sure if the complains of * captains questers, neo neocom, and the new forums* weren't all the SAME COMPLAINTS.
Seriously, they are even trying t be original, it's the same people, with the same alts complaining about the same things like little children patting themselves on the back like there combined 100 posts somehow represent what users want and need in day and age.
CCP, leave the trash at the curb, we don't need it, no matter how much it starts to smell.
If the new forums, and things like CQ, and a new UI just never come to eve because of 30 people on the forums. *well I counted 80 posters so I'm being generous here by assuming no one has multiple accounts* I'm out of here, I haven't played eve for 5 years to have this meta game of 10% of the 1% of the total playerbase that even post on the forums keep eve in the past.
I remember when it was the nano-nerf killed eve, and I remember when the change to POS fuel was going to ruin the game. CCP, don't cave in now.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.10 07:24:00 -
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I should note I do not think the neo neocom, CQ, or the new forums were anywhere ready, and I do not think they we're good enough for release. DELIVER CCP, don't you dare cut a good thing just because it needs another month of work.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2011.04.10 07:29:00 -
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Naaahh.
After the last 48 hours, I think I'd be perfectly happy if we just stuck with this forum for the next few years.
I don't need flashbacks from that last forum experience. Just bin it.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.10 07:29:00 -
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I never got to even try the neoNeocom
saying I don't like the new forums might be a bit strong but they don't do anything better than these forums! but god damn the fixed width is annoying. really small on my monitor, and completely breaks my phone browser. I'd say something about gaping security holes but well I don't really understand all that stuff.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.04.10 07:38:00 -
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New forums were tripe. Lots of bad decisions from the UI, to the security, to the social interaction. The complaints about the forums were quite valid. Especially considering forum software is not exactly new and innovative. The current software is pathetic but the new one had the quality of a highschool side project paid for in cash and pizza. The only things impressive were most likely off-the-shelf modules or built-in functionality from the platform they used.
I run two accounts but only post on one character. It's an interesting strawman you present anyways since CCP seems to think having more accounts means you're entitled to a larger stake in decision making re:csm. -- There's a place called kugutsumen.com but don't go there. It's icky. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.10 07:39:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 10/04/2011 07:41:04
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton I never got to even try the neoNeocom
saying I don't like the new forums might be a bit strong but they don't do anything better than these forums! but god damn the fixed width is annoying. really small on my monitor, and completely breaks my phone browser. I'd say something about gaping security holes but well I don't really understand all that stuff.
Forums ate my post : (
and logged me out
just now
anyways
Neo neocom was identical to current neo com *noting they said ti would go vertical before release*
but you were able to remove icon you didn't like, like say, "militia" or other useless icons you just never used.
It also had a quick view of your currently training skill. with one dev being quoted as saying a drone combat app would be a possible addon.
The only thing it didn't do was expand so you could read text. It instead scaled.
Also new forums I can understand you like the wide forums, but most sites, like minecraft, kotaku, aljeera, zero punctuation, use the same margins.
but to be fair, since somepeople liek the old style someone was able to post a patch on the forums that fixxed all of your issues within a day.
don't take away my rss feed search function! D:
Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki New forums were tripe. Lots of bad decisions from the UI, to the security, to the social interaction. The complaints about the forums were quite valid. Especially considering forum software is not exactly new and innovative. The current software is pathetic but the new one had the quality of a highschool side project paid for in cash and pizza. The only things impressive were most likely off-the-shelf modules or built-in functionality from the platform they used.
I run two accounts but only post on one character. It's an interesting strawman you present anyways since CCP seems to think having more accounts means you're entitled to a larger stake in decision making re:csm.
my point was that most posts on the new forums were no complaining, that only 10% of posters felt the need to complain while the rest were just happy with what was given. And that the same people that hated the neo neocom have the same complaint about the new forums.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.10 07:48:00 -
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The new neocom was actually decent. It had issues but so long as they allowed you to scale it and for it to be placed vertical I didn't see much differance.
The new forums on the other hand had alot of flaws and general overhaul issues. The margining isn't that big of a deal so long as those margins where actually used for something. However they where just wasted space. The color scheme and default text combined make it a eyesore and hard to read after awhile.
Added to the fact that it had very little functionality and alot of fluff added to it made it even more a eyesore.
-Having a "Like" system without a "Dislike" system is pointless. -Having a quick reply system without have multi-quoting/quick quote is silly. -Using a java based code over PHP based is only going to lead to more issues.
On the plus side I do believe they removed the 2min timer.
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.10 07:54:00 -
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Nope i haven't complained about the new neocom, i made suggestions like: instead making eve-windwos, they' should change the generall UI, the directional, and so on and forth. The new forums, it took me 2 Minutes to figure out how to inject some script.
BTW: IT SHOULDN'T BE NEEDED FOR THE COMMUNNITY TO MAKE ADDONS TO MAKE STUFF USEFULL!!! from my point of view. I'd rather hear things like : "oh, we found that becouse of player X telling us, it'll come out 2 weeks later" then "It's out (hoping noone will notice the errors)
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.10 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai The new neocom was actually decent. It had issues but so long as they allowed you to scale it and for it to be placed vertical I didn't see much differance.
The new forums on the other hand had alot of flaws and general overhaul issues. The margining isn't that big of a deal so long as those margins where actually used for something. However they where just wasted space. The color scheme and default text combined make it a eyesore and hard to read after awhile.
Added to the fact that it had very little functionality and alot of fluff added to it made it even more a eyesore.
-Having a "Like" system without a "Dislike" system is pointless. -Having a quick reply system without have multi-quoting/quick quote is silly. -Using a java based code over PHP based is only going to lead to more issues.
On the plus side I do believe they removed the 2min timer.
I hear yah. but like the neo enocom why not jsut fix those things and then use it? quick quote was needed,
also it had a lot of awesome features a forum ho like me loved.
but here is the thing, where scrapheap needed to get new forums look what they went with . http://failheap-challenge.com/
and no one is complaining about the margins.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:01:00 -
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While I understand the margin complaint I laugh my ass off every time someone links to an example. I prefer narrow reading areas and my browser window size reflects that. Failheap is perfectly sized for my browser.
Shame about the neo neo com though. I seem to remember a big reason it got pulled had something to do with it's optional nature. Either it was messing things up or it made it difficult to update or something. -- There's a place called kugutsumen.com but don't go there. It's icky. |
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:02:00 -
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What you do not understand, a Forum like the EVE Forums CANT go with smaller.
Check out the Political Threads, Some of the Feature and Ideas Threads, those Topics are sometimes 1 - 2 Monitor heights, when you cut away half the width, imagine what would happen?
We're not complaining about bull****, because we are bored, IT has a reason, and CCP is not ready to sit down and find a middleway, where both of us are happy with it.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:04:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 10/04/2011 08:04:38
Originally by: Kristina Vanszar What you do not understand, a Forum like the EVE Forums CANT go with smaller.
Check out the Political Threads, Some of the Feature and Ideas Threads, those Topics are sometimes 1 - 2 Monitor heights, when you cut away half the width, imagine what would happen?
We're not complaining about bull****, because we are bored, IT has a reason, and CCP is not ready to sit down and find a middleway, where both of us are happy with it.
my point is it's only the hardcore userbase.
just use the scripts that fixed everything your complaining about. if your a hard core user, you can take the time to fix your own user experience.
also complaining about pixel space is BS.
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki While I understand the margin complaint I laugh my ass off every time someone links to an example. I prefer narrow reading areas and my browser window size reflects that. Failheap is perfectly sized for my browser.
Shame about the neo neo com though. I seem to remember a big reason it got pulled had something to do with it's optional nature. Either it was messing things up or it made it difficult to update or something.
The new eocom was removed becouse it was not new, they've just made the left menue a little customizeable and moved it to the bottom.
At least they've understood that. If they've called it rearanged neocom, i'd love it, but this was nothing even near a new neocom.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kristina Vanszar
Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki While I understand the margin complaint I laugh my ass off every time someone links to an example. I prefer narrow reading areas and my browser window size reflects that. Failheap is perfectly sized for my browser.
Shame about the neo neo com though. I seem to remember a big reason it got pulled had something to do with it's optional nature. Either it was messing things up or it made it difficult to update or something.
The new eocom was removed becouse it was not new, they've just made the left menue a little customizeable and moved it to the bottom.
At least they've understood that. If they've called it rearanged neocom, i'd love it, but this was nothing even near a new neocom.
it had support for custom plug ins like drone combat and mini-juke box controller. I don't see how the name matters... it was a customizable version and it was awesome.
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Kristina Vanszar
Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki While I understand the margin complaint I laugh my ass off every time someone links to an example. I prefer narrow reading areas and my browser window size reflects that. Failheap is perfectly sized for my browser.
Shame about the neo neo com though. I seem to remember a big reason it got pulled had something to do with it's optional nature. Either it was messing things up or it made it difficult to update or something.
The new eocom was removed becouse it was not new, they've just made the left menue a little customizeable and moved it to the bottom.
At least they've understood that. If they've called it rearanged neocom, i'd love it, but this was nothing even near a new neocom.
it had support for custom plug ins like drone combat and mini-juke box controller. I don't see how the name matters... it was a customizable version and it was awesome.
Ehm yeah, plugins sweet, i'll send you a plugin, and do not wonder why you can't log into eve short after that ;-) It was a let's throw the masses a piece of something and hope they'll stfu.... nothing more and nothing less.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon However there is a large number of people on the forums, how actually make up a very VERY small % of the community, who are making a huge rukus and holding back eve online.
Those people are called goons. They have been doing it for a while now. SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN |
ghosttr
Amarr ARK-CORP Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.04.10 08:49:00 -
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The issue (at least for me) was that CCP was only focused on what new features we wanted, and didnt take the things that worked well and work them into the new forums.
So we ended up getting a handful of wanted features, at the expense of breaking many things that were working and players took for granted. Prospecting! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.10 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon Functions? The neo necom and the new forums don't LACK anything of the old.
Incorrect. The new forums lacked a shedload of functions, and only added two: search and RSS (of which the search was still of questionable quality).
àoh, and do you know why the Neo-Neocom was dropped? It wasn't because people complained; it was because it was a waste of time, since the entire UI back-end was in the pipe for a complete re-write ù it would only have served to double the workload for zero gain. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 13:15:00 -
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EVE is dead. Seriously though, it is not something that everyone can see, most of the player base cares only about the immediate game play and has no awareness of the future visions of EVE whatsoever. The same kind of players will also fail to see the deeper implications and problems of the mistakes or u-turns CCP is taking.
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Jame Jarl Retief
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Posted - 2011.04.10 13:25:00 -
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I felt new forum lacked a lot of features of the old forum.
For example, on my 24" screen, the old forum takes up about 90% of the horizontal space. It is nice and easy to read (except for tiny font). The avatar portraits are small, but sufficient. On the left there's the main menu (main, forums, insider, support, news, etc.) on the right is search, and together they make up the remaining 10% of screen width.
On the new forums, the forum itself occupied maybe 60% of the screen, the rest was wasted on the background, which was 100% useless. Of the remaining space, a huge portion was taken by the large avatar portrait, which is frankly unnecessary. Yes, avatars are pretty, but I don't need them on my screen in that size. And there was a ton of other stuff that you can read about in other places, such as the new "Like" system, which is meaningless if you don't have a "Dislike" system alongside it.
What kills me with the new forums is CCP wasting time, a ton of it, doing what is essentially re-inventing the wheel. Why bother? Take an existing suite of features, slap some bodywork on it, and you're done. Wasting time on this, with all the testing that was done, and releasing it in such a horrific state with so many security flaws was just utterly disheartening. Stick to what you know. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, and if it is broke, fix it but do it right.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.10 13:25:00 -
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Eve isn't really dieing or probably will ever die. However it will become a shell of what it is use to be if CCP continues down the path they are taking. This is something that has been talked about for quite some time. However most has gone ignored.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.04.10 13:33:00 -
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I don't have a problem with new things. So long as they work, and don't have less then what they are replacing. By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.
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Nikita Alterana
Risen Angels
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Posted - 2011.04.10 13:37:00 -
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my issue with the neo-neocom was that it broke the way I stacked my 40some chat channels.
I had my chat channels sourced by what they were for, and minimized when not in use. the neoneocom dumped all those stacks into one slot and made it impossible to keep them sorted, I had to open up all my stacks of chat windows and dig through them to find what was blinking, not only that, but it combined my stacks when I minimized them.
If you're only in a few chat channels its fine, but for someone like me, its a nightmare.
Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.10 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Alterana my issue with the neo-neocom was that it broke the way I stacked my 40some chat channels.
I had my chat channels sourced by what they were for, and minimized when not in use. the neoneocom dumped all those stacks into one slot and made it impossible to keep them sorted, I had to open up all my stacks of chat windows and dig through them to find what was blinking, not only that, but it combined my stacks when I minimized them.
If you're only in a few chat channels its fine, but for someone like me, its a nightmare.
you know, if you changed your chat channels into two stacks... by right clicking the stack, there would be two stacks on the bottom instead of 1...
or you could make the whole neo neocom a bunch of chat icons. I know it needed work, like different icon, or a little bit or text for them. as well as making in somethign that didn't require a right click, settings. But you could do it, you just didn't try hard enough.
Also, instead of saying the old forums had a shedload of features the new forums do not. why not list those features? instead of just saying "blah blah blah the old forums had 100s of features the new ones don't"
I want a list! how am I suppose to take you seriously if your so vague!
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.10 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon I noticed that the same faces complaining about the neo neocom are the same people complaining about the new forums.
The worst part is the what they complain about.
I don't like the way it's shaped. my 50 pixels are too important. I don't like how it has less functions than the old one. No one said there was anything wrong with the UI/forums. I fear change
Functions? The neo necom and the new forums don't LACK anything of the old.
I stopped reading here because you're obviously an idiot. If removing sigs doesn't count as having less than the old one, what does exactly?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.10 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Originally by: MotherMoon I noticed that the same faces complaining about the neo neocom are the same people complaining about the new forums.
The worst part is the what they complain about.
I don't like the way it's shaped. my 50 pixels are too important. I don't like how it has less functions than the old one. No one said there was anything wrong with the UI/forums. I fear change
Functions? The neo necom and the new forums don't LACK anything of the old.
I stopped reading here because you're obviously an idiot. If removing sigs doesn't count as having less than the old one, what does exactly?
as a sig maker, your right. this was a major feature that was removed, and a dev stated was going to be added back in.
However, my post is not about the reasonable requests and complaints. It's about people making the same complaints about the neo neocom and the new forums, that are all about size, shape, and looks. The majority of complaints are not like yours. which is reasonable, and a good point. In fact, all of the terrible pointless whining, is over shadowing real complaints like.
Option to increase font size Signatures colored font Quick reply
see how I didn't list "wahhh the quote box is toooo biiiiggg" as a complaint? that's becuase that's pixels worth of change, who cares!
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Whimsical One
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.10 20:26:00 -
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You couldn't have pictures in your sig. You could still have A sig.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.04.10 20:26:00 -
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The new neocom was terrible because it took up space horizontally which is valuable space wasted when monitors are widescreen.
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.04.10 20:27:00 -
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I have read you post and not sure exactly how youv an see the new forums never lacked any features of this one.. ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!! http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID= |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.10 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic Edited by: Jack Tronic on 10/04/2011 20:26:54 The new neocom was terrible because it took up a strip horizontally which is valuable space wasted when monitors are widescreen. Not to mention it put buttons right under the ship buttons which is dumb.
YOU DIDN"T EVEN READ THE POST *RAAGGEEEE*
they said it WOULD NOT BE RELEASED UNTIL IT WENT VERIDICAL.
can you people not even see 2 feet in front of you?
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